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Oink Jan 19th 2010 5:47 am

Chav Britain: Another reason to move to Canada
 
If its not one thing, it's another. Britain as country is morally imploding these days. The extent and blatancy of chav behavior in Britain is simply appalling.

So, in an effort to help fellow Brits who may be dithering about leaving the UK, post your chav stories here and it might help those to make up their minds. Depending on the response, we might make this a wiki article.

Chav baby smokes

Pincher Jan 19th 2010 5:50 am

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No, can't be a proper chav baby. No earings.:rofl:

Alan2005 Jan 19th 2010 5:54 am

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What about this.

"Dad at 13"

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle2233878.ece

Turned out to be untrue in a bizarre chav love triangle.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8056700.stm

Oink Jan 19th 2010 5:59 am

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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 8263314)
What about this.

"Dad at 13"

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle2233878.ece

Turned out to be untrue in a bizarre chav love triangle.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8056700.stm

Whether the story was true or not, it was disgusting and just more evidence of a failed society.

Good stuff people keep them coming.

iaink Jan 19th 2010 6:05 am

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Yup, no teenage pregnacies in Canada....:unsure:

Pincher Jan 19th 2010 6:05 am

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Chav appears to be a British phenomenon ( or problem depending on how you view it) but under age parenthood isn't. There must be similar reportings in Canada too?
However, I'm pretty sure that if we reduced benefits given to teen mums, then maybe the incidences would reduce. The Oz Gov give a $6,000 'Baby Bonus' to new mums regardless of age.

ExKiwilass Jan 19th 2010 6:07 am

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6 grand? I gave birth in the wrong country.

msi64 Jan 19th 2010 6:09 am

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Chav Britain, Please come on. Whilst this country has problems and we have many, why focus on the bad. Its a story in the Sun FFS!!!

Why not go the whole hog and quote the Daily Mail, Imigrants are taking over, its not safe to walk the streets, drugs and gun crime rife in kindergarten.
I know its the British way of life to look onthe bleak side, do we really believe its any worse than has been in the past?
Im leaving the UK to give my family a better standard of living, for every horror story from the Sun or any other tabloid I can give you a pleasant story that never gets reported on.
Bad news sell more papers.

Pincher Jan 19th 2010 6:10 am

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Apparently when her 12 year old daughter gave birth, her mum was 'pleased' because of the money they would receive. Supposed to be a form of assistance not an incentive me thinks.
However some of our Antipodean friends have other ideas:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/kiw...-1225792760998

iaink Jan 19th 2010 6:13 am

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Originally Posted by Kiwilass (Post 8263340)
6 grand? I gave birth in the wrong country.

According to the canadian council on social development the cost of raising a child to age one is $10k, and the total to age 16 is about $166k...

No wonder I'm brassic. $6k would be a drop in the bucket at best.

Auld Yin Jan 19th 2010 6:15 am

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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 8263314)
What about this.

"Dad at 13"

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle2233878.ece

Turned out to be untrue in a bizarre chav love triangle.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8056700.stm

Have you checked the dates on each page. The Sun is dated January 19th.2010 whereas the BBC article is dated January 19th.2009.

Someone is playing silly beggars. I remember this story from last year and the correction/refuting a few days later.

Alan2005 Jan 19th 2010 6:16 am

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Originally Posted by iaink (Post 8263333)
Yup, no teenage pregnacies in Canada....:unsure:

Chav's are a UK phenomenon. Teenagers are getting pregnant in droves so they can sponge off the state by being given a free house and then by use their benefits to buy fags for their kids.

It's a disgrace - people should be aiming to get out before the place is overrun.

Alan2005 Jan 19th 2010 6:18 am

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Originally Posted by Auld Yin (Post 8263359)
Have you checked the dates on each page. The Sun is dated January 19th.2010 whereas the BBC article is dated January 19th.2009.

Someone is playing silly beggars. I remember this story from last year and the correction/refuting a few days later.

Eh? The date on the sun story is 13 Feb 2009 and the BBC follow up is dated 19 May 2009.

Oink Jan 19th 2010 6:18 am

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Originally Posted by msi64 (Post 8263347)
Chav Britain, Please come on. Whilst this country has problems and we have many, why focus on the bad. Its a story in the Sun FFS!!!

Why not go the whole hog and quote the Daily Mail, Imigrants are taking over, its not safe to walk the streets, drugs and gun crime rife in kindergarten.
I know its the British way of life to look onthe bleak side, do we really believe its any worse than has been in the past?
Im leaving the UK to give my family a better standard of living, for every horror story from the Sun or any other tabloid I can give you a pleasant story that never gets reported on.
Bad news sell more papers.

Just prove this isn't just an isolated "tabloid" story now we're facing uber-chavs. Where do we go from here?

"It is very difficult, almost impossible, to take these people now and provide basic social and work ethic skills."

unteachable 'uber-chavs'

Sally Redux Jan 19th 2010 6:21 am

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 8263370)
Just prove this isn't just an isolated "tabloid" story now we're facing uber-chavs. Where do we go from here?

"It is very difficult, almost impossible, to take these people now and provide basic social and work ethic skills."

unteachable 'uber-chavs'

It's just as Nietzsche predicted.

Oink Jan 19th 2010 6:25 am

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Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 8263380)
It's just as Nietzsche predicted.

What, that God is dead?

Sally Redux Jan 19th 2010 6:27 am

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 8263390)
What, that God is dead?

Twilight of the Idols and the rise of the Superchav.

Pincher Jan 19th 2010 6:28 am

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I still believe it must be something to do with society as much with parenting. My eldest, who has had plenty of oppurtunities in life ( all of which she has rejected), compared to many, is right up there on the chav-o-meter. Neither myself or the O/H have any idea where it has come from. We both have good jobs and are educated with degrees and feel we did our best bringing her up. But I tell you what, if her neanderthal unemployed boyfriend calls me 'Mate' one more time...:frown:

simonfiction Jan 19th 2010 6:29 am

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Originally Posted by msi64 (Post 8263347)
Chav Britain, Please come on. Whilst this country has problems and we have many, why focus on the bad. Its a story in the Sun FFS!!!

Why not go the whole hog and quote the Daily Mail, Imigrants are taking over, its not safe to walk the streets, drugs and gun crime rife in kindergarten.
I know its the British way of life to look onthe bleak side, do we really believe its any worse than has been in the past?
Im leaving the UK to give my family a better standard of living, for every horror story from the Sun or any other tabloid I can give you a pleasant story that never gets reported on.
Bad news sell more papers.

Couldn't agree more with this. I remember reading once about all the articles that the Daily Mail print that turn out to be complete lies, it was pretty incredible and these were the sort of articles that ruin lives. I never trust any red tops or the Daily Mail for news. It's complete sensationalism. The front page headlines are normally selected from - a) Maddy b) Princess Di or c) Immigrants, followed by a photo of a middle classed missing white blonde girl to make you feel warm and fuzzy and something to relate to, next to a picture of crazy looking, evil bearded Muslim to make sure you couldn't feel any more worlds apart.

Sally Redux Jan 19th 2010 6:31 am

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Originally Posted by simonfiction (Post 8263401)
Couldn't agree more with this. I remember reading once about all the articles that the Daily Mail print that turn out to be complete lies, it was pretty incredible and these were the sort of articles that ruin lives. I never trust any red tops or the Daily Mail for news. It's complete sensationalism. The front page headlines are normally selected from - a) Maddy b) Princess Di or c) Immigrants, followed by a photo of a middle classed missing white blonde girl to make you feel warm and fuzzy and something to relate to, next to a picture of crazy looking, evil bearded Muslim to make sure you couldn't feel any more worlds apart.

and how it's all affecting house prices :lol:

Alan2005 Jan 19th 2010 6:33 am

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Originally Posted by simonfiction (Post 8263401)
Couldn't agree more with this. I remember reading once about all the articles that the Daily Mail print that turn out to be complete lies, it was pretty incredible and these were the sort of articles that ruin lives. I never trust any red tops or the Daily Mail for news. It's complete sensationalism. The front page headlines are normally selected from - a) Maddy b) Princess Di or c) Immigrants, followed by a photo of a middle classed missing white blonde girl to make you feel warm and fuzzy and something to relate to, next to a picture of crazy looking, evil bearded Muslim to make sure you couldn't feel any more worlds apart.

You can say anything with statistics. I prefer to go on the real experiences of ordinary people. The UK is clearly full of benefit scroungers and chavs as indicated by stories such as the one Oink posted.

Oink Jan 19th 2010 6:36 am

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Originally Posted by Sally Redux (Post 8263395)
Twilight of the Idols and the rise of the Superchav.

Until we realize that man is a man creation we will continue to fetishize and distort the fetishes of ideology until we are all crucified upon the cross of truth. Or that Argos finally closes.

Oink Jan 19th 2010 6:37 am

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Originally Posted by Pincher (Post 8263399)
I still believe it must be something to do with society as much with parenting. My eldest, who has had plenty of oppurtunities in life ( all of which she has rejected), compared to many, is right up there on the chav-o-meter. Neither myself or the O/H have any idea where it has come from. We both have good jobs and are educated with degrees and feel we did our best bringing her up. But I tell you what, if her neanderthal unemployed boyfriend calls me 'Mate' one more time...:frown:

:thumbup:

Alan2005 Jan 19th 2010 6:38 am

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 8263421)
Until we realize that man is a man creation we will continue to fetishize and distort the fetishes of ideology until we are all crucified upon the cross of truth. Or that Argos finally closes.

I didn't know Elizabeth Duke sold crosses of truth.

Oink Jan 19th 2010 6:42 am

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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 8263425)
I didn't know Elizabeth Duke sold crosses of truth.

I fear that this is not what Nietzsche envisioned when he wrote of the ubermensch.

http://i23.ebayimg.com/05/i/001/0d/bd/e52a_1.JPG

simonfiction Jan 19th 2010 6:44 am

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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 8263410)
You can say anything with statistics. I prefer to go on the real experiences of ordinary people. The UK is clearly full of benefit scroungers and chavs as indicated by stories such as the one Oink posted.

I wasn't really commenting on the reality of UK society and what's wrong or right with it. Just commenting on how crap these papers are and how bad a source of information they are. Don't worry, I'm not trying to make out like the UK is some utopian society where there isn't a culture of abusing benefits.

Oink Jan 19th 2010 6:46 am

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Originally Posted by simonfiction (Post 8263435)
I wasn't really commenting on the reality of UK society and what's wrong or right with it. Just commenting on how crap these papers are and how bad a source of information they are. Don't worry, I'm not trying to make out like the UK is some utopian society where there isn't a culture of abusing benefits.

What about abusing children?

Mum used boy of 12 for sex

msi64 Jan 19th 2010 6:46 am

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Yes its a hellish place to live?????

A country that still gives you free health care, will give you a pension in your old age. Gives you freedom and Democracy for all.

But for you its all chav chav chav!

How about all the good things about the UK. Yes we have problems but it isnt the Hell hole you make it out to be.

msi64 Jan 19th 2010 6:48 am

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 8263436)
What about abusing children?

Mum used boy of 12 for sex

What about the ritual killing of children in Africa! We can all quit bad stories.

Oink Jan 19th 2010 6:51 am

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Originally Posted by msi64 (Post 8263437)
Yes its a hellish place to live?????

A country that still gives you free health care, will give you a pension in your old age. Gives you freedom and Democracy for all.

But for you its all chav chav chav!

How about all the good things about the UK. Yes we have problems but it isnt the Hell hole you make it out to be.

There are those of us who emigrated for a reason. This is a problem that has been getting worse since the early 1980s. And for some people 30 years of declining moral standards and booze culture is enough.

Jingsamichty Jan 19th 2010 6:54 am

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Alan2005 and Oink... the Margo & Jerry Leadbetter of BE. :rofl:

Auld Yin Jan 19th 2010 6:55 am

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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 8263369)
Eh? The date on the sun story is 13 Feb 2009 and the BBC follow up is dated 19 May 2009.

Interesting. I assure you that when I go to the link you provided the page is dated 2010. Perhaps computer gremlins at my end.

JonboyE Jan 19th 2010 6:56 am

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http://www.dreamstime.com/fish-hook-thumb3285982.jpg

msi64 Jan 19th 2010 6:58 am

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 8263449)
There are those of us who emigrated for a reason. This is a problem that has been getting worse since the early 1980s. And for some people 30 years of declining moral standards and booze culture is enough.

So its not personal experience of the common people then, its from reading the SUN online!!

30 YEARS OF MORAL DECLINE so its been bad for thirty years?
I bet your parents lamented about the failed youth when you were a kid.
We become our parents and thats a fact. "It was better in the old days"

DandNHill Jan 19th 2010 7:00 am

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My chav story, and I must warn you that I live a sheltered life is the shock I had the other day seeing a 14 ish year old girl wearing a top which said on the front: "If you think I'm a b**** you should see my Mum!"
To me that summed chavs up nicely!!!
:o

ExKiwilass Jan 19th 2010 7:06 am

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Very important question.

Are chavs the progenitors of Bogans (NZ, OZ) and White Trash (North America)? Or I wonder if there's a common ancester in 5CE or something?

THey should do an dna analysis

ExKiwilass Jan 19th 2010 7:08 am

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 8263432)
I fear that this is not what Nietzsche envisioned when he wrote of the ubermensch.

http://i23.ebayimg.com/05/i/001/0d/bd/e52a_1.JPG


but it's got pretty shoes

Auld Yin Jan 19th 2010 7:19 am

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A country that still gives you free health care, will give you a pension in your old age. Gives you freedom and Democracy for all.

It may be free for those welfare spongers who have never paid taxes, but for the majority of hard working Brits who pay taxes, it certainly is not free.

Oink Jan 19th 2010 7:23 am

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Originally Posted by msi64 (Post 8263474)
So its not personal experience of the common people then, its from reading the SUN online!!

30 YEARS OF MORAL DECLINE so its been bad for thirty years?
I bet your parents lamented about the failed youth when you were a kid.
We become our parents and thats a fact. "It was better in the old days"

I was a teenager in the 80s and it was getting bad then and by the 90s you couldn't go out in town without some drunken yob trying to take swing at you while his drunk and pregnant teenage girlfriend was shouting obscenities. It's only got worse. Now when I go back, there's McDonalds and Burger Kings and cheap hooch everywhere.

Bali2010 Jan 19th 2010 7:32 am

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Originally Posted by Oink (Post 8263558)
I was a teenager in the 80s and it was getting bad then and by the 90s you couldn't go out in town without some drunken yob trying to take swing at you while his drunk and pregnant teenage girlfriend was shouting obscenities. It's only got worse. Now when I go back, there's McDonalds and Burger Kings and cheap hooch everywhere.

Like this in my home town too 80's/90's but am not sure if it is better or worse since given how bad it was then & they have had major pushes on clean ups.
Am way past the Fri / Sat night round town culture now so maybe I just don't see it.

At the risk of opening up the Canadian / US equivalent, the 'people of walmart site'? doesn't seem to show it as a UK issue only;)


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