Re: Canadian Values
Originally Posted by Vulcanoid
(Post 12057957)
I think a good chunk of the issue is (rightly or wrongly) the "their homes" part of it. Some people feel that if a person has become a Canadian citizen, their home should be in one of the provinces or territories, and that leaving to have a home elsewhere (particularly one where they originally had, before moving to Canada) is indicative of wanting Canadian protection, rather than of wanting to be a part of Canadian society.
Essentially, these people by and large have no problem helping people when Canada is their home. They have a bigger problem helping people when Canada is, or appears to be, their lifeboat. |
Re: Canadian Values
Originally Posted by Teaandtoday5
(Post 12058086)
When has the 'you can't/you shouldn't/you're wrong' approach ever succeeded in rationalising religious belief? Fighting religion promotes a bunker mentality. Just live and let live. Religion will never be 'gone'. Some people need it. Let it go.
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Re: Canadian Values
Originally Posted by Vulcanoid
(Post 12057957)
I think a good chunk of the issue is (rightly or wrongly) the "their homes" part of it. Some people feel that if a person has become a Canadian citizen, their home should be in one of the provinces or territories, and that leaving to have a home elsewhere (particularly one where they originally had, before moving to Canada) is indicative of wanting Canadian protection, rather than of wanting to be a part of Canadian society.
Essentially, these people by and large have no problem helping people when Canada is their home. They have a bigger problem helping people when Canada is, or appears to be, their lifeboat. |
Re: Canadian Values
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12058199)
Did the Lebanese stay for 5 years to get citizenship? Sorry, only vaguely aware of the controversy...
Canadians disapprove and feel their Canadian values are rejected by scrounging refugees who had the cheek not to want to stay in Canada. |
Re: Canadian Values
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 12058322)
Israel bombs the shit out off Hezbollah in Lebanon. Hitting civilian areas with nasty bombs disapproved of by the UN. Other countries decide that the situation is grave and evacuate their citizens to safety? There's a UN brokered truce after a very short while which means that people can go back to Lebanon.
Canadians disapprove and feel their Canadian values are rejected by scrounging refugees who had the cheek not to want to stay in Canada. |
Re: Canadian Values
Originally Posted by plasticcanuck
(Post 12058352)
Personally I cannot think of any valid reason for ANY country to arrange evacuation of citizens who have basically abandoned that country, despite retaining their citizenships and pensions. It cost a great deal of money and the stories of ungratefulness by citizens of convenience were what caused the uproar by resident Canadians.
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Re: Canadian Values
Originally Posted by Shard
(Post 12058193)
It's on the wane in Europe (even France and Italy). Christianity, that is. I suspect some part of its demise is due to the many rationalists of the past six, seven decades that have doggedly pointed out that it's hokum. The irony in your argument is that it's generally because religionists do not 'live and let live' that some atheists are more vocal in their views.
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Re: Canadian Values
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 12058358)
What were the stories?
Evacuation: The lessons of Lebanon - Inside Politics |
Re: Canadian Values
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 12058365)
Perhaps this CBC article explains some of it
Evacuation: The lessons of Lebanon - Inside Politics |
Re: Canadian Values
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 12058372)
That doesn't explain the stories of ingratitude mentioned by Plastic Canuck.
I wonder what would happen if Canada suffered a catastrophic event how many Brits would need evacuating back to the UK and how the UK Govt would deal with it and how these expats would be looked upon by the UK residents? |
Re: Canadian Values
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 12058372)
That doesn't explain the stories of ingratitude mentioned by Plastic Canuck.
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Re: Canadian Values
Originally Posted by plasticcanuck
(Post 12058399)
This happened over 10 years ago so I can't recall specifics other than what FL stated in last sentence of his first paragraph above. It may seem picayxune now but at the time with the costs being quoted, people in Canada became enraged at these ungrateful people.
Sounds like Canadian values to me. |
Re: Canadian Values
Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
(Post 12058388)
Well I can't comment on what stories he heard. There were discussions about the cost of the evacuation and that after several months nearly all of them returned to the Lebanon. They were citizens of convenience. They only intended to return to Canada to retire and get better health benefits or any other benefits available to retirees. The evacuees were complaining about the method of being evacuated i.e. economy class on commercial airlines or a very slow boat with no modern frills.
I wonder what would happen if Canada suffered a catastrophic event how many Brits would need evacuating back to the UK and how the UK Govt would deal with it and how these expats would be looked upon by the UK residents? |
Re: Canadian Values
This was in the Harper era where offering help to brown people, especially muzzies, was done, at best, through gritted teeth. And, if it had to be done, at least you could get some political capital by stirring up some anti brown sentiment in the "old stock" Canadians.
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Re: Canadian Values
Originally Posted by bats
(Post 12058322)
Israel bombs the shit out off Hezbollah in Lebanon. Hitting civilian areas with nasty bombs disapproved of by the UN. Other countries decide that the situation is grave and evacuate their citizens to safety? There's a UN brokered truce after a very short while which means that people can go back to Lebanon.
Canadians disapprove and feel their Canadian values are rejected by scrounging refugees who had the cheek not to want to stay in Canada. |
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