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Old Apr 15th 2015 | 1:33 am
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Maybe we should grow more proper food crops here in the Fraser Valley.

A few less 'superfoods' and more 'real foods' maybe.

Most of these blueberries and cranberries are exported. Apart from being fairly pointless from a real nutrition point of view.

Yet every field seems to be getting turned into a blueberry field, if it isn't being used for corn or raspberries and every bog is getting turned into a cranberry lagoon.

Then there's all the new vineyards...

Mind you, with all this global warming, we might soon see those clear-cut southern-facing slopes on the north shore being put to new uses....Cypress and Seymour vineyards anyone? lol

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Old Apr 15th 2015 | 1:45 am
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Suppose the farmers have to grow what brings them the most money per acre since they are largely limited to just 1 season per year.

Can't be easy being a seasonal farm in BC.

California could reduce some crops like Almonds but prices were sky rocket since they produce nearly all of the almonds grown in the US, and something like 80% of the worlds supply.

California has more importance to our food chain then people realize.

"California produces more than 400 crops. Of those, the following are commercially produced
only in California: almonds, artichokes, dates, figs, raisins, kiwifruit, olives, clingstone peaches,
pistachios, dried plums, pomegranates, sweet rice, ladino clover seed, and walnuts. "

Just about 50% of the food supply in the US is from California.

California has been top agriculture state for over 50 years.

60% of California farms are 50 acres or less.

90% are family owned or cooperatives.

https://www.agclassroom.org/kids/stats/california.pdf

I know these numbers are US numbers and will be less for Canada, but take a look around and just look at how much produce is from California.
 
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
"California produces more than 400 crops. Of those, the following are commercially produced only in California: almonds, artichokes, dates, figs, raisins, kiwifruit, olives, clingstone peaches,
pistachios, dried plums, pomegranates, sweet rice, ladino clover seed, and walnuts.
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I guess the person who wrote that statement is a member of the Flat Earth Society and thinks that there is nothing to the west or east of the USA coastline other than an abyss...
 
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
Suppose the farmers have to grow what brings them the most money per acre since they are largely limited to just 1 season per year.

Can't be easy being a seasonal farm in BC.

California could reduce some crops like Almonds but prices were sky rocket since they produce nearly all of the almonds grown in the US, and something like 80% of the worlds supply.

California has more importance to our food chain then people realize.

"California produces more than 400 crops. Of those, the following are commercially produced
only in California: almonds, artichokes, dates, figs, raisins, kiwifruit, olives, clingstone peaches,
pistachios, dried plums, pomegranates, sweet rice, ladino clover seed, and walnuts. "

Just about 50% of the food supply in the US is from California.

California has been top agriculture state for over 50 years.

60% of California farms are 50 acres or less.

90% are family owned or cooperatives.

https://www.agclassroom.org/kids/stats/california.pdf

I know these numbers are US numbers and will be less for Canada, but take a look around and just look at how much produce is from California.
The solution is to grow your own. You can grow anything in a greenhouse and if the Canadian climate is too cold, use heating in winter. Most people heat their home anyway, so all you have to do is redistribute some heat to your greenhouse.

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Old Apr 15th 2015 | 2:17 am
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Originally Posted by withabix
I guess the person who wrote that statement is a member of the Flat Earth Society and thinks that there is nothing to the west or east of the USA coastline other than an abyss...
no kidding. olives, pistachios, kiwifruit among others ARE produced in other countries. What a load of tripe.
 
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Originally Posted by withabix
I guess the person who wrote that statement is a member of the Flat Earth Society and thinks that there is nothing to the west or east of the USA coastline other than an abyss...
As I said, it is in relation to what is grown within the US, not elsewhere so it's factually correct.
 
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Originally Posted by Moses2013
The solution is to grow your own. You can grow anything in a greenhouse and if the Canadian climate is too cold, use heating in winter. Most people heat their home anyway, so all you have to do is redistribute some heat to your greenhouse.
You can't grow food in apartments and condos, let alone enough to sustain you over a entire winter.

Now if you have a house and land to grow enough, might work.
 
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Originally Posted by ExKiwilass
no kidding. olives, pistachios, kiwifruit among others ARE produced in other countries. What a load of tripe.
It was specifically for what is produced in the US, as I said at the bottom, the numbers are for the US.

"I know these numbers are US numbers"

It is factually correct.

Now if you like Almonds you will be up the creek if California stopped producing them.
 
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
Suppose the farmers have to grow what brings them the most money per acre since they are largely limited to just 1 season per year.

Can't be easy being a seasonal farm in BC.

California could reduce some crops like Almonds but prices were sky rocket since they produce nearly all of the almonds grown in the US, and something like 80% of the worlds supply.

California has more importance to our food chain then people realize.

"California produces more than 400 crops. Of those, the following are commercially produced
only in California: almonds, artichokes, dates, figs, raisins, kiwifruit, olives, clingstone peaches,
pistachios, dried plums, pomegranates, sweet rice, ladino clover seed, and walnuts. "

Just about 50% of the food supply in the US is from California.

California has been top agriculture state for over 50 years.

60% of California farms are 50 acres or less.

90% are family owned or cooperatives.

https://www.agclassroom.org/kids/stats/california.pdf

I know these numbers are US numbers and will be less for Canada, but take a look around and just look at how much produce is from California.
I'm not sure if I heard it correctly but on the radio yesterday they said it takes about 1 gallon of water to produce a single almond? Apparently in California landowners don't need permits to abstract water so there is a cycle of boring deeper and deeper as the water table drops.

California has Title 22 regulations which is pretty much the standard for equipment to reuse water (ie reuse treated sewage).

https://www.watereuse.org/government...epa-guidelines

I don't know what the per capita water usage in California is but in Alberta it's approx double what it would be in the UK.
 
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They need (more) large-scale desalination plants, just like most other desert state/countries have. I'm not sure if they've got any in California?

They have large areas of desert to construct wind farms or solar farms to get the energy to operate the desalination plants.

Thames Water even have an operational a desalination plant in London now.

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Welcome to Canada.

The resource will be given away. Used to produce a good or service then sold back to us at a huge premium by a US Retailer via a minimum wage shop assistant or a highly paid Sales rep from the US who pops up on the airline occasionally.

Canada can't be the 53rd state because we have none of the benefits of freedom of movement with the US.
 
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
You can't grow food in apartments and condos.
You probably can, with hydroponics and the right heat and light sources.



No wait, that's for something else isn't it.....
 
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
It was specifically for what is produced in the US, as I said at the bottom, the numbers are for the US.

"I know these numbers are US numbers"

It is factually correct.

Now if you like Almonds you will be up the creek if California stopped producing them.
Don't like almonds. Most overrated nut on the planet.
 
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Originally Posted by withabix
They need large-scale desalination plants, just like most other desert state/countries have.

They have large areas of desert to construct wind farms or solar farms to get the energy to operate the desalination plants.

Thames Water even have an operational a desalination plant in London now.
More will come. Seems everyone is waiting to see how the San Diego area plant ends up working which is slated to open in the fall.

There are 13 other potential sites under consideration currently as well.

Water use has dropped in San Diego ( too many regions to get an accurate number for every region.) 20% drop since 2007, and water use per capita per day per person is down to 150 gallons. Water use in 2014 was less then in 1990 despite a population increase of 30%.

Problem is there is only so much water that can be conserved before households just can't cut back any more.

Farms use most of the water by a large chunk and that is the hurdle.

For the previous 12 months ending in Feb, water use was down 4.2%.

Water Use | San Diego County Water Authority

More can still be done, but people do understand the need to conserve.
 
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Originally Posted by ExKiwilass
Don't like almonds. Most overrated nut on the planet.
I don't care for them either. But apparently a lot of people do...
 


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