caretaker

Is there going to be a demand for these planes in the near future? If travel is at a comparitive standstill until the pandemic is controlled.....

calman014

The fact is, certification or not, these aircraft are basically aerodynamically unstable. Chuck Yeager is already turning over in his grave.
There will be more accidents with it, I'm sure.

Cheltonian

Here we go again.
Air Canada Boeing 737-8 MAX suffers engine issue | CTV News

scrubbedexpat091

737MAX has received approval by Transport Canada.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/boe...gain-1.5877356

OrangeMango

I have the same feeling about it. However I would say "certification or not" as well as "new software or not"......

The competitor product, the Airbus A320 neo range, ( A319 to A321) are the better choice, both in safety and engineering but also in passenger experience.

Air Canada should have gone for the Airbus A321 neo range instead of the 787 Max. The Irish Air Lingus made that choice.

scrubbedexpat091

Southwest ordered another 100 737MAX, they already have many on order, this is an additional 100. Between their confirmed orders and options, they may receive some 628 737MAX over the coming decade. Max 7 and 8.

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/news-re...ts?item=130843

abner

That press release (understandably, coming from Boeing) is a masterpiece at avoiding the question of how many planes, within the additional 100, are committed to the 737-8 MAX -- the problematic one -- vs the 737-7 MAX.

Nor - read closely - does the press release seem to preclude Southwest avoiding future deliveries of 737-8 Max's altogether (presumably in favor of additional 737-7s), within Southwest's committed future order book at Boeing.

scrubbedexpat091

Boeing chief technical pilot Mark Forkner was indicted by a grand jury with 2 counts of fraud and 4 counts of wire fraud, for his role in the 737MAX debacle, charges accuse him of withholding information from FAA evaluators about software, emails show that Forkner was aware that the MCAS could make the 737 Max difficult to fly, and he knew the system was active at lower speeds than what was reported to the FAA.

"admitting that the system was difficult and said, “I basically lied to the regulators (unknowingly),” according to the indictment."

He was also responsible for pushing against pilots needing additional training prior to flying the MAX despite the issues he experienced in the simulator during testing and before the aircraft was certified, prosecutors claim that if airlines were to spend less money on training, they would be more willing to spend more money per aircraft and increasing Boeing's profits.

He faces up to 20 years for each Fraud charge and 10 years for each wire fraud charge.

The DOJ had charged Boeing (the company itself) with criminal charges, but in January announced they had accepted deferred prosecution agreement and Boeing would pay $2.5 billion in fines and compensation with a $243 milllion criminal monetary penalty, $1.77 billion went to airline customers who bought the aircraft, $500 million went to a fund to help families and relatives of those killed in the crashes, in addition to the previous $100 million Boeing had put into the fund.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/14/...lot-indictment

Feds like plea bargains so will be interesting to see how long this chief pilot ends up getting if he pleads guilty in the coming months, feds hate trials, so if he risks that he may end up with a fair chunk of time, depends on how good his lawyer is.

Expatrick

I think he'll go down - as a perfect scapegoat.