Bin Laden dead
#166
Let's be honest Iain when have the United States ever been held accountable for anything????
But then it's easy to sit up here in Canada "The World's Peacekeeper" and be critical when it's known that big brother down south really deals with the problems.
Too many people on this forum have been hanging out with cradles too long.
But then it's easy to sit up here in Canada "The World's Peacekeeper" and be critical when it's known that big brother down south really deals with the problems.
Too many people on this forum have been hanging out with cradles too long.
#167
The world is a better place now he is dead and I am grateful that a message has been sent to his brothers of Jihad (or what ever they call themselves) that they are marked men.
The man was guilty with no remorse and every intention to keep killing- there is a point where even the most politically correct do gooder needs to understand that some people are just psycopathic.
You dont think there is a danger that killing OBL might make the situation worse? After all, a western government taking unilateral action in a muslim state to kill a radical muslim pretty much backs up everything OBL said about the west, and is quite likely to create a whole bunch of other radical muslims hell bent on revenge for what they will see a martyr to the illegal high handed action of the infidel?
Yes, some people are psychopaths, but last time I checked there was due legal process afforded to psychopaths before they got locked up to protect society, they are not just done away with cos its for the greater good.
Last edited by iaink; May 6th 2011 at 9:40 am.
#168










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Here we go again.
So it's kind of back to the Assange thing again. You're demanding the right to know what the millitary does but let me guess, you wouldn't be happy for the public to know what you do and the choices you make and your income and what kegs you wear etc etc
They aren't Teletubbies, they are soldiers; specifically, they are soldiers trained for operations that are perceived to be too difficult for regulars.
I suspect that, if you asked them, they would say that they did what they had to. Maybe, you would prefer it if one of them had "bought it" to justify their action. They will be sleeping in their beds without regret.
The whole thing is analogous to the Rock of Gibraltar incident involving the Regiment.
Unfortunately and rarely, such action is required. If those bent on mass murder would paint themselves with a big red target, refuse to hide among civilians, put down their weapons when requested to do so and operate within the law that they expect to be applied to themselves, such action would not be required.
Here is a question for the hand wringers amonst us: Would it have been OK to shoot OBL had he been armed? Why?
I suspect that, if you asked them, they would say that they did what they had to. Maybe, you would prefer it if one of them had "bought it" to justify their action. They will be sleeping in their beds without regret.
The whole thing is analogous to the Rock of Gibraltar incident involving the Regiment.
Unfortunately and rarely, such action is required. If those bent on mass murder would paint themselves with a big red target, refuse to hide among civilians, put down their weapons when requested to do so and operate within the law that they expect to be applied to themselves, such action would not be required.
Here is a question for the hand wringers amonst us: Would it have been OK to shoot OBL had he been armed? Why?
And as for this being out in the open. Yes, some things are required for operation secrecy etc, however the military takes it's orders from a civilian government. Somebody ok'd the operation to get him and what it would entail - this process and the decision made should be public.
I don't get you people. It not only appears that you are willing to let the state perform extra-judicial killings, you are also happy for the military to conduct them in secret without the public ever being told about the aims or motives behind their operations. Does democracy mean nothing at all to you lot?
#169
Let's be honest Iain when have the United States ever been held accountable for anything????
But then it's easy to sit up here in Canada "The World's Peacekeeper" and be critical when it's known that big brother down south really deals with the problems.
Too many people on this forum have been hanging out with cradles too long.
But then it's easy to sit up here in Canada "The World's Peacekeeper" and be critical when it's known that big brother down south really deals with the problems.
Too many people on this forum have been hanging out with cradles too long.
They created the problem. Whether its communism or Islamism they need to demonize 'other' ideologies to justify their own.
#171
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First and foremost, the US president is accountable to the US. He's number one concern is the safety and wellbeing of the US population. OBL was a threat to the country, and he's now been removed. The Attorney General, as has already been quoted on this forum, is satisfied that the process was legal and proper.
#172
I do know back in the day Canada had the 4th largest army in the world......no doubt those were the days.
Last edited by JamesM; May 6th 2011 at 11:02 am.
#173
Here's a thought: Maybe intelligence came to the powers that be indicating where OBL was. The top levels of Government decided to task their armed forces to try and "arrest" him. The top brass called in their specialist unit and tasked them to do so. The senior people in specialist unit tasked a number of individuals to attempt the mission, leaving decisions as to how to do so to the team. The team on the ground reacted to what happened.
Some people, that had no real idea as to what happened, then start stating that this and that happened, all the while, the people that know aren't even questioned.
Bored people on internet fora come up with lots of flowery theories about what happened and get into petty arguments about who is correct ...
Some people, that had no real idea as to what happened, then start stating that this and that happened, all the while, the people that know aren't even questioned.
Bored people on internet fora come up with lots of flowery theories about what happened and get into petty arguments about who is correct ...

I notice "arrest" is in quote marks.
It just beats me though what the legal grounds were.
There was no state of war in existence to justify a military action, and no jurisdiction for the americans to make an arrest as far as I can tell. Unlike you though, I am not a lawyer.
#176
I don't think 'a democracy' exists as a one-best-system, its a process or a set of principles that simply means rule by the people/demos and not ruled by a single or even a few rich twats.
#177
I agree. And as somebody pointed out above, 'the people', it would appear, are pretty glad that Bin Laden has been dealt with.
#178
That’s why we write down the rules and regulations in documents to stop mobs running riot on whims, otherwise you’d have tyranny by the majority. Obama was simply taking revenge, that's not lawful or advisable.
#180
Who should we be looking for the Americans kill next? Answers on a postcard to; President Murderous Bastard, A White House, America.



