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SchnookoLoly Apr 16th 2015 7:48 am

Beer Sales in Ontario
 
Beer taxes, the LCBO online and Growlers: Big changes coming to Ontario booze | National Post

Thoughts?

Mine... good idea, terrible execution.

Husband found a summary that sums it up pretty well I think:

"Ontarians have made it clear that they support breaking the monopoly. But we know best, we'll show them!

- Ontario will sell a few large grocery stores expensive beer licences (the cost of which they have to pass onto the consumer)
- Then we'll limit them to selling only six-packs.
- Then we'll implement a tax to make six packs more expensive.
- That'll funnel people right back to the Beer Store/LCBO monopoly
- Then we can point out that privatization has failed and go back to our old ways

Oh, and we'll take wine off the table, and tax it at a lower rate because people Wynne likes drink wine. Just the dirty, nasty beer-drinkers need to pay more."

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 16th 2015 7:53 am

Re: Beer Sales in Ontario
 
BC is letting wine be sold is certain grocery stores, but they are making the stores have a separate till to pay for it since apparently mixing booze with groceries is too difficult at check out...lol

They also did some changes at the wholesale level and adjusted the government store hours so they are open later and on holidays/Sunday's so the private stores have competition now on those day which were the bread and butter for private stores.

Our liquor store at work has seen a small drop since the changes went into affect, but the owners are still worried since the store make's up a significant amount of the monthly revenue.

Pizzawheel Apr 16th 2015 9:19 am

Re: Beer Sales in Ontario
 
I think we should stay quiet on this one in case someone notices that the insane monopoly/ tax / red tape situation means when you're tightening the purse strings you end up drinking fine german beer instead of the local swill.

It's a loophole I like.

magnumpi Apr 16th 2015 10:03 am

Re: Beer Sales in Ontario
 
Ontario Liebrials saying no raise in beer prices but there is to be a 25c TAX $1 per two four, yuck.

450 supermarkets across Ontario but not till winter 2015

caretaker Apr 16th 2015 11:08 am

Re: Beer Sales in Ontario
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11620769)
they are making the stores have a separate till to pay for it since apparently mixing booze with groceries is too difficult at check out...lol

That could be to keep it Kosher and Halal.

Mr Bean Apr 16th 2015 1:56 pm

Re: Beer Sales in Ontario
 

Originally Posted by Pizzawheel (Post 11620808)
I think we should stay quiet on this one in case someone notices that the insane monopoly/ tax / red tape situation means when you're tightening the purse strings you end up drinking fine german beer instead of the local swill.

It's a loophole I like.

Agreed. I recently drowned myself in Lowenbrau as it was only $2 a pop. That is a good deal.

bats Apr 16th 2015 2:08 pm

Re: Beer Sales in Ontario
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11620769)
BC is letting wine be sold is certain grocery stores, but they are making the stores have a separate till to pay for it since apparently mixing booze with groceries is too difficult at check out...lol

They also did some changes at the wholesale level and adjusted the government store hours so they are open later and on holidays/Sunday's so the private stores have competition now on those day which were the bread and butter for private stores.

Our liquor store at work has seen a small drop since the changes went into affect, but the owners are still worried since the store make's up a significant amount of the monthly revenue.

Often kept separate in case the person on the till is younger than legal booze age.

geedee Apr 16th 2015 3:19 pm

Re: Beer Sales in Ontario
 
Quebec has the right idea... you can buy it in supermarkets, corner stores, Costco (and boy is it cheap!) and even petrol stations!

:beer:

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 16th 2015 4:00 pm

Re: Beer Sales in Ontario
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 11620933)
Often kept separate in case the person on the till is younger than legal booze age.

I guess I just still find it odd. California must allow under 21's to scan booze in stores or stores don't hire under 21's as the booze is not segregated, you can buy all your booze and groceries on the same till.

I wonder why Canada wants to stay in like 1950 when it comes to booze?

palmerq Apr 16th 2015 4:06 pm

Re: Beer Sales in Ontario
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11620967)
I guess I just still find it odd. California must allow under 21's to scan booze in stores or stores don't hire under 21's as the booze is not segregated, you can buy all your booze and groceries on the same till.

I wonder why Canada wants to stay in like 1950 when it comes to booze?

In blighty I am pretty sure if you buy beer at the supermarket and it's a youngster on the till they just have to get a senior member of staff over to authorise the sale, not very difficult at all.

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 16th 2015 4:11 pm

Re: Beer Sales in Ontario
 

Originally Posted by palmerq (Post 11620972)
In blighty I am pretty sure if you buy beer at the supermarket and it's a youngster on the till they just have to get a senior member of staff over to authorise the sale, not very difficult at all.

That is what Wisconsin did when I lived there. I don't recall it ever happening in California, but the stores I went to for groceries were all union stores and not many youngsters working tills since it is a senior job in a union store. But maybe stores don't hire under 21 for cashier, I just don't recall it ever being an issue or someone else coming over to scan it.

They however do no let you use self check out with booze.

withabix Apr 16th 2015 4:11 pm

Re: Beer Sales in Ontario
 
And then in BC this month they made the stupid regressive move of going back to displaying the prices without taxes in the liquor stores....

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 16th 2015 4:13 pm

Re: Beer Sales in Ontario
 

Originally Posted by withabix (Post 11620976)
And then in BC this month they made the stupid regressive move of going back to displaying the prices without taxes in the liquor stores....

Wasn't it just the government stores that did that?

withabix Apr 16th 2015 4:40 pm

Re: Beer Sales in Ontario
 

Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 11620978)
Wasn't it just the government stores that did that?

Not sure. Haven't been in to a private one since the change. Only go to those if there's an immediate need for some cold ones, otherwise I find them uncompetitive (which is of course part of the problem).

scrubbedexpat091 Apr 16th 2015 5:07 pm

Re: Beer Sales in Ontario
 

Originally Posted by withabix (Post 11620985)
Not sure. Haven't been in to a private one since the change. Only go to those if there's an immediate need for some cold ones, otherwise I find them uncompetitive (which is of course part of the problem).

Private stores don't have the benefit of being part of the government, the wholesale prices are pretty crappy which leads to crappy prices and profits.

The real benefit to private stores was longer hours and weekends/holiday's but now that the government stores open the private stores lost the 1 advantage they had.

At the end of the day, BC government controls the wholesale pricing which means no competition.


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