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Old Oct 26th 2006, 8:51 pm
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Originally Posted by windward
millions of taxpayers pounds
They've moved over to quoting billions now. Too many zeroes when using millions. £19B for the ID card scheme. And that's going to be chump change compared to the NHS IT programme.

Going on past experience I think we can count on this ineptitude to keep us safe a little while longer.
Oh I do hope you're right. It's still worth fighting for freedom without relying on incompetence to do the schemes in.

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Oh, he had a cast-iron alibi. K.
so did o.j. simpson
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Originally Posted by kt0157
In any case, the "where there's smoke" attitude means that anyone with a DNA match has to prove their innocence (to you and your colleagues in order to escape the clutches of the CPS and the courts, at any rate). Isn't that the wrong way round?
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it is the wrong way around. there are only a handfull of statutory offences where the burden of proof lies with the defendant, and this would be regardless of DNA, so either way, its a bit of a mute point.
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DNA evidence is maybe not enough to convict on its own but it's certainly enough to get charged. Ask Sharon Houston.

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we simply have to pass the threshold, and then if applicable the full test, which with sufficient evidence to warrant a charge, would mean a trip to court. this isn't the 1970's or cambodia, the police then do not take an active part, we act as witnesses like everyone else. the decision rests with a jury of all our peers, directed, one hopes, by a person of intelligence and integrity. the adversarial system is such that the crown then must prove guilt in most cases. its bound to have mistakes, it relies on humans. of cold comfort if you find yourself in that position granted. but think about all the thousands of court cases taking place across the country, year in year out, how many miscarriages are there truly, and how many are simply found not guilty because of misdirection, poor evidence gathering, poor procedure, inability of jurors/magistrates to grasp the facts, witness interference, excellent defence teams picking holes in cases, etc etc.
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