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Jingsamichty Dec 14th 2012 5:53 am

Re: Another US school shooting
 

Originally Posted by orly (Post 10433524)
Could happen anywhere. Just happens more in America because they're generally a bit more mad.

And have guns.

iaink Dec 14th 2012 6:01 am

Re: Another US school shooting
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 10433531)
And have guns.

Arguably fewer guns per person that in Canada...

Jingsamichty Dec 14th 2012 6:01 am

Re: Another US school shooting
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 10433540)
Arguably fewer guns per person that in Canada...

Oh well, it's not the guns then. Whatever can it be?

luvmeboys Dec 14th 2012 6:03 am

Re: Another US school shooting
 

Originally Posted by bats (Post 10433497)
Kindergarten kids. Speechless and tearful.

Me too Bats, feel sick x

ExKiwilass Dec 14th 2012 6:03 am

Re: Another US school shooting
 
it could happen here too, plenty of gun crime in vancouver. guns are apparently not that hard to get here, whatever the law says.

mandymoochops Dec 14th 2012 6:08 am

Re: Another US school shooting
 

Originally Posted by ExKiwilass (Post 10433544)
it could happen here too, plenty of gun crime in vancouver. guns are apparently not that hard to get here, whatever the law says.

Guns certainly are not hard to get, there's always someone that knows someone selling an unlicensed firearm. So it's all well and good putting all the restrictions in place for registering them etc, but if there's a black market - no amount of legislation will stop that.

luvmeboys Dec 14th 2012 6:12 am

Re: Another US school shooting
 
Police have entered the home of the 20 year old murderer and found another body!
I miss my kids!

Oink Dec 14th 2012 6:12 am

Re: Another US school shooting
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 10433540)
Arguably fewer guns per person that in Canada...

But not high-capacity magazines.

Jingsamichty Dec 14th 2012 6:13 am

Re: Another US school shooting
 

Originally Posted by mandymoochops (Post 10433562)
Guns certainly are not hard to get, there's always someone that knows someone selling an unlicensed firearm. So it's all well and good putting all the restrictions in place for registering them etc, but if there's a black market - no amount of legislation will stop that.

No, but with a will you can make it difficult. Look at the UK.

The trouble is the celebration of gun culture in North America. People who like guns REALLY like guns.

mandymoochops Dec 14th 2012 6:17 am

Re: Another US school shooting
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 10433578)
No, but with a will you can make it difficult. Look at the UK.

The trouble is the celebration of gun culture in North America. People who like guns REALLY like guns.

Yes- the barrage of internet pictures of semi naked fat blokes posing on the bed, surrounded by their weapons, does seem almost uniquely a south of the border phenominon.

Former Lancastrian Dec 14th 2012 6:18 am

Re: Another US school shooting
 

Originally Posted by ExKiwilass (Post 10433544)
it could happen here too, plenty of gun crime in vancouver. guns are apparently not that hard to get here, whatever the law says.

Time to jump on my high horse again puff out my chest and ask who is responsible for interdicting these firearms? Couldnt be CBSA could it?
Read this report to see the shocking statistics of firearms trafficking and smuggling into Canada.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ci-rc/repo.../index-eng.htm

I accept this report is over 5 years old but Im sure a newer version would be even worse and shocking.
Just a quick google search of guns smuggled into Canada reveals some revealing articles.
Of course we are more concerned about your extra bottle of booze and cartons of smokes and excess of dairy products as this is really why we are at the border.

iaink Dec 14th 2012 6:20 am

Re: Another US school shooting
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 10433542)
Oh well, it's not the guns then. Whatever can it be?

Paranoia, Media exposure to violence, lack of cheap mental health care access, Larger population so statistically more likely to happen somewhere ,other.


Any/All of the above.

Probably not the time or place to debate it though. Reading about it is making me sick. Just awful for those involved:(

dbd33 Dec 14th 2012 6:21 am

Re: Another US school shooting
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 10433489)
Very very sad.


Canadians also own lots of guns (more per head?). And also there are occasional shooting atrocities (Montreal Polytechnic for one). Fortunately it seems to happens less here. Better mental health care? Less paranoia? who knows. Its of no consolation to those caught up in the awful tragedy in Connecticut.

Less people. One would expect there to be 10% of the random shootings in the US.

iaink Dec 14th 2012 6:25 am

Re: Another US school shooting
 

Originally Posted by Jingsamichty (Post 10433578)
No, but with a will you can make it difficult. Look at the UK.

The trouble is the celebration of gun culture in North America. People who like guns REALLY like guns.

The UK has always had fewer guns to police. The genie is out of the bottle here, rounding up guns would be virtually impossible were they to be legislated against.

My boss, an englishman, has a huge collection of guns here, 30, maybe more, handguns, Sporting shotguns, 357 magnum through to Kalashnikov replicas, he loves his guns too, shoots every weekend, rain shine or snow. Gun culture isnt necessarily the problem, its troubled souls with guns that are the problem. What sort of person thinks to do something like this because clearly they are not getting the help the should be!

The US to me appears to be a pretty harsh dog eat dog type of society, very much survival of the fittest and those at the bottom of the pile are left to fend for themselves. Maybe that overall culture, where its a sign of weakness to ask for help, is why these atrocities seem to happen far too often there.

Jingsamichty Dec 14th 2012 6:32 am

Re: Another US school shooting
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 10433596)
Paranoia, Media exposure to violence, lack of cheap mental health care access, Larger population so statistically more likely to happen somewhere ,other.


Any/All of the above.

Wrong. Paranoia and media exposure to violence does not shoot classrooms full of innocent children. Guns do.

When was the last time a lunatic went into a school with a big stick or a toy light-sabre? Would it matter if they did? No.... it's when lunatics have easy access to GUNS that the awful problems start.


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