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not2old Feb 17th 2016 3:10 am

The age old question
 
why is it do you think that our American cousins south of us, even in the UK are going to outlive those in Canada?

According to stats Canada

Statistics Canada findings indicate the average Canadian man can expect to live about 68.9 healthy years. Women will reach 71.2 years.
Those figures are based on a tool that measures various risks to estimate how long a person will likely live a higher quality of life. The numbers are even better in B.C. and Quebec where men live almost 70 years, and women around 72.5 years in good health.


According to the US social security agency

https://www.ssa.gov/planners/lifeexpectancy.html

According to data compiled by the Social Security Administration:

A man reaching age 65 today can expect to live, on average, until age 84.3.
A woman turning age 65 today can expect to live, on average, until age 86.6.
And those are just averages. About one out of every four 65-year-olds today will live past age 90, and one out of 10 will live past age 95.


UK, according to the ONS

8 facts about life expectancy and the 90 & over population - ONS

HGerchikov Feb 17th 2016 3:35 am

Re: The age old question
 
You are not comparing apples with apples. If you look at lists of life expectancy all three countries are similar but Canada has the better numbers.

plasticcanuck Feb 17th 2016 4:30 am

Re: The age old question
 
When the grim reaper comes for you you're age isn't the foremost thing on his mind. It's your time.

Shard Feb 17th 2016 5:08 am

Re: The age old question
 
I think the more interesting question is in which country do old people age better. What's old? 70+ is old. On entirely unscientific evidence, from what I can see, old people in Canada seem healthier, more robust, and happier than in Britain. Its probably the cold weather vs the damp weather. YMMV.

JonboyE Feb 17th 2016 5:12 am

Re: The age old question
 
Statistically, someone who has reached 65 must have a higher life expectancy than the general population.

MarkG Feb 17th 2016 5:46 am

Re: The age old question
 

Originally Posted by JonboyE (Post 11870609)
Statistically, someone who has reached 65 must have a higher life expectancy than the general population.

Bingo.

In any case, life expectancy is going to explode over the next 20-30 years. Every week or two there's some new result in the study of ageing, or radical new methods of fixing the damage it causes.

Oink Feb 17th 2016 5:58 am

Re: The age old question
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 11870413)
why is it do you think that our American cousins south of us, even in the UK are going to outlive those in Canada?

According to stats Canada

Statistics Canada findings indicate the average Canadian man can expect to live about 68.9 healthy years. Women will reach 71.2 years.
Those figures are based on a tool that measures various risks to estimate how long a person will likely live a higher quality of life. The numbers are even better in B.C. and Quebec where men live almost 70 years, and women around 72.5 years in good health.


According to the US social security agency

https://www.ssa.gov/planners/lifeexpectancy.html

According to data compiled by the Social Security Administration:

A man reaching age 65 today can expect to live, on average, until age 84.3.
A woman turning age 65 today can expect to live, on average, until age 86.6.
And those are just averages. About one out of every four 65-year-olds today will live past age 90, and one out of 10 will live past age 95.


UK, according to the ONS

8 facts about life expectancy and the 90 & over population - ONS


Are you getting nervous? ;)

not2old Feb 17th 2016 8:21 am

Re: The age old question
 

Originally Posted by JonboyE (Post 11870609)
Statistically, someone who has reached 65 must have a higher life expectancy than the general population.

70 next birthday, I figure that I have 30 years more to go


Originally Posted by Oink (Post 11870650)
Are you getting nervous? ;)

death becomes those that worry about it.

Seeing I've got this far, its just a shame I cannot live to 150... never say never:eek:

not2old Feb 17th 2016 8:26 am

Re: The age old question
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11870605)
I think the more interesting question is in which country do old people age better. What's old? 70+ is old. On entirely unscientific evidence, from what I can see, old people in Canada seem healthier, more robust, and happier than in Britain. Its probably the cold weather vs the damp weather. YMMV.

some winter days shovelling the white stuff-you're probably right

I would say 90 is old, then I look at my FIL who is 97 this year, lives on his own in a detached bungalow, still drives his Subaru & I begin wonder.... how old is old?

Shard Feb 17th 2016 8:29 am

Re: The age old question
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 11870754)
some winter days shovelling the white stuff-you're probably right

I would say 90 is old, then I look at my FIL who is 97 this year, lives on his own in a detached bungalow, still drives his Subaru & I begin wonder.... how old is old?

"Old" is your current age +20. Yes, it's all relative. :)

Oink Feb 17th 2016 8:33 am

Re: The age old question
 

Originally Posted by not2old (Post 11870754)
some winter days shovelling the white stuff-you're probably right

I would say 90 is old, then I look at my FIL who is 97 this year, lives on his own in a detached bungalow, still drives his Subaru & I begin wonder.... how old is old?

You've beaten Jesus Christ so you're on a winner no matter what.

not2old Feb 17th 2016 8:36 am

Re: The age old question
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 11870755)
"Old" is your current age +20. Yes, it's all relative. :)

:goodpost:

I remember when I was a teen seeing a 30+ year old women with several children & thinking ... god awful, she is old

or, the OAP (probably in the 65-70 age range - survivors of the great war) few if any existed back then, if there was any you'd see them sitting on the park bench, bent over, walking wobbly... that too me back then was 'dead old'

not2old Feb 17th 2016 8:37 am

Re: The age old question
 

Originally Posted by Oink (Post 11870758)
You've beaten Jesus Christ so you're on a winner no matter what.

question is 'have you'?

not2old Feb 17th 2016 8:51 am

Re: The age old question
 

Originally Posted by HGerchikov (Post 11870455)
You are not comparing apples with apples. If you look at lists of life expectancy all three countries are similar but Canada has the better numbers.

source:CBC quoted from a WHO report

In Canada,average life expectancy for males born in 2012 is 80 and for females 84, the agency said in Thursday's report, World Health Statistics 2014.

In comparison, males born in Canada in 1990 could expect to live to 74 and females to 81 on average.

For both sexes in Canada, life expectancy increased on average from 77 in 1990 to 82 in 2012..

scrubbedexpat091 Feb 17th 2016 9:55 am

Re: The age old question
 
I wouldn't mind to living to an old age provided I am in reasonably good health, especially in the brain.

What point is there to living an old age if you end up in hospital bed for 10-15 years not really there with no real clue of what is going on?

My great grandmother lived to 95, died in 2007 or around there, was in decent health until around 89, then she got a tumor in the brain (non-cancerous apparently) and here final 5 years she wasn't really there, didn't know who anyone was, could no longer walk etc.

Her sister lived to 87 or 88, her last 7 years or so she was completely gone memory and brain wise, her son was well off though and retired to care for her.


My mom's dad is still alive at 81. Her mom died in 1968 of non-natural causes so who knows how long she could have lived.


My dads side is hard since everyone up to his sisters and my dad drank and smoke, my dad doesn't, so I can't say how long men on his side live.

My grandmother on that side lived to 52 or so and died of non-natural causes and my grandfather died at 63 due to complications (secondary infection of chest cavity) of bypass surgery, he had also had a stroke around 54 when he had surgery done on is artery in his neck.

My great grandfather on that side lived to 73 and died of a heart attack (lived through the first one out of hospital, then died of another while in hospital a few days later.)

My uncle on my dads side (grandfathers brother) died young of non-natural causes.




I couldn't even try and start to have any reasonable idea of how long I may live, I seem to have gotten at the less desirable genes from both sides health wise....


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