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Re: 7000 cops... really?
I cannot even begin to imagine the pain of a young pregnant mother who has lost her husband and child's father...who in heavens name cares if it marks the occasion in an appropriate manner?
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Re: 7000 cops... really?
Originally Posted by rae
(Post 11297383)
3 officers attended from EPS, on their own time, not compensated, flights I believe covered through our association which we all pay into, no public funds. I can't speak for all officers obviously, but I should imagine this would be the situation for most if not all of them.
There are several provisions in place for family members caught in such tragic circumstances, they will be well cared for whether a large or small funeral took place. Ultimately 3 people have died tragically and suddenly, I despair at situations like this being hijacked by police haters. If you don't like the police for whatever reason that's fine and your right, but I don't see the need for the poison to spill into this domain. |
Re: 7000 cops... really?
Originally Posted by Danny B
(Post 11297381)
Bloody immigrants coming over here and moaning about Canadian culture.
If you don't like the way that Canada honours Police officers killed in the line of duty, then fack off back to where you came from and honour their system instead. I couldn't give a rats arse how much the funeral cost, police officers hold a unique place of trust and respect within Canadian society. It comes not as a surprise, therefore, that when a police officer dies he or she is paid special respect and honour and the funeral service is conducted with tradition and ceremony.
Originally Posted by rae
(Post 11297383)
3 officers attended from EPS, on their own time, not compensated, flights I believe covered through our association which we all pay into, no public funds. I can't speak for all officers obviously, but I should imagine this would be the situation for most if not all of them.
There are several provisions in place for family members caught in such tragic circumstances, they will be well cared for whether a large or small funeral took place. Ultimately 3 people have died tragically and suddenly, I despair at situations like this being hijacked by police haters. If you don't like the police for whatever reason that's fine and your right, but I don't see the need for the poison to spill into this domain. Fine, but as I said before, this wasn't a memorial type thread, it was started to have debate about the expenses and the spectacle of the public service. There seem many on here though that aren't able to grasp the concept of rational discussion. It would be one thing if the thread had been hijacked but it hasn't. Questions like the OPs need to be asked and debated. If you can't engage in respectful discussion or the topic is too emotional for you to discuss without resorting to personal abuse, then don't contribute. Or maybe start your own sympathy thread. |
Re: 7000 cops... really?
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 11297424)
I don't hate cops - I just don't like the thought that cops should get special treatment. They are just people doing a job for money. Lots of people die tragically and suddenly everyday after all.
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Re: 7000 cops... really?
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 11297424)
I don't hate cops - I just don't like the thought that cops should get special treatment. They are just people doing a job for money. Lots of people die tragically and suddenly everyday after all.
You are right, lots of people do die tragically and suddenly every day. Lots of people are not murdered every day though because of the job they do, or because of the office they represent. |
Re: 7000 cops... really?
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 11297426)
Fine, but as I said before, this wasn't a memorial type thread, it was started to have debate about the expenses and the spectacle of the public service. There seem many on here though that aren't able to grasp the concept of rational discussion. It would be one thing if the thread had been hijacked but it hasn't. Questions like the OPs need to be asked and debated. If you can't engage in respectful discussion or the topic is too emotional for you to discuss without resorting to personal abuse, then don't contribute. Or maybe start your own sympathy thread.
I then further commented that it was unnecessary generally to bring this up from such a slanted viewpoint. I stand to be corrected, but I don't remember a thread complaining about military funerals. My point being, it is more about not liking the cops than public expense, thinly veiled. Nothing disrespectful or emotional about that. |
Re: 7000 cops... really?
I heard on the radio yesterday morning that the ones who flew from Toronto all paid for their flights themselves, it didn't come from the taxpayer. The only one there was a question about was Police Chief Bill Blair. Everyone else paid their own way.
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Re: 7000 cops... really?
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 11297426)
Fine, but as I said before, this wasn't a memorial type thread, it was started to have debate about the expenses and the spectacle of the public service. There seem many on here though that aren't able to grasp the concept of rational discussion. It would be one thing if the thread had been hijacked but it hasn't. Questions like the OPs need to be asked and debated. If you can't engage in respectful discussion or the topic is too emotional for you to discuss without resorting to personal abuse, then don't contribute. Or maybe start your own sympathy thread.
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Re: 7000 cops... really?
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 11296835)
Who's paying for those 7000 cops to go to those regimental funerals. That's right us. Knowing coppers, I bet everything is free and that they will be paid for the time they are there or they wouldn't go.
If we really must waste millions of dollars, then instead of the usual mawkish displays of uniform worship that they seem to love here why not give something to the families instead. I'm sure that poor woman with the young kid expecting another could do with a few bob now.
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 11296892)
Its like any type of organization that derives power from physical force, be it the police, military or organized crime groups, they always have an over-the-top display of mourning and solidarity to demonstrate they're still a viable power. I agree, a low-key memorial with the extra money going to the families would have been far more respectful.
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Re: 7000 cops... really?
Originally Posted by Partially discharged
(Post 11296933)
I feel that the OP posted in such a way to invoke outrage but I do happen to agree with his general tone and the poster who followed your post.....What does it really achieve flying 1000's of officers across the country to a funeral.? A donation/trust fund to the affected families and those officers who knew the victims attending the funeralwould be more appropriate.
There are trust funds. As for who pays their way - their unions do out of the union dues they pay (well technically it is illegal for them to belong to unions so their 'associations' pay). And, as shown on CTV News last night, some of those in attendance paid their own way there. What happens in these cases when the affected families don't want all the media attention and just want a quiet service? They can request that and their wishes will be honoured. |
Re: 7000 cops... really?
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 11297028)
Yeah, sure they will. There was a charity bike ride that some RCMP did around here - turns out they all got paid while they was on it. Basically, show me the receipts or I don't believe you.
And I don't believe you that they were paid to do a bike ride. You made the claim, let's see you prove it.
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 11297042)
I think you'll probably find that they didn't take vacation.
First, you have absolutely nothing on which to base that claim. Second, have you never heard of days off? You seem to have a hard-on for the cops - did you get a big speeding ticket or something?
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 11297054)
(I assume none of the 7000 are from the US as the reports claim they are RCMP) Hell, scroll down on this page and you will see a couple of them being interviewed: http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1861014 |
Re: 7000 cops... really?
Originally Posted by Teaandtoday5
(Post 11297834)
It may be reasonable (if not very compassionate) to have the debate but even in elementary school my kids are taught to support their debate points with evidence. To make accusations, and refuse to accept/ignore information provided by people who have experience of these situations, or work for organisations involved is not a debate, it's just a rant.
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Re: 7000 cops... really?
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 11297081)
Anyway I disagree. I think that if you distill my point to it's core essence many people will actually agree with me.
Give the families a bit of cash instead - I wouldn't begrudge them it. They do get money - are you so ridiculously uninformed that you do not realize this? They get a pension due to the officer's death. They get also get a death benefit. In addition to those, trust funds have been set up at the police credit union and anyone who wishes to can donate to those trust funds. In light of your advocating that the families be given money will you be donating to those trust funds? Somehow I doubt you will. |
Re: 7000 cops... really?
Originally Posted by Shirtback
(Post 11297162)
This coverage, along with other links I've seen, is incredibly moving.
Did you see the pictures of that poor police dog jumping up to sniff his master's scent from his stetson that was being carried by another officer? Heartbreaking. I'm not a fan of police forces in general I am not much of a fan of the police either but think the OP's comments are ignorant as he is clearly using this as an opportunity to take jabs at the police (but I bet he'd sure as hell be the first to call them if he ever needed them!). |
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