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Perhaps you are right about this Duffer , as in so many things, but I did think Parma was in the North ? I'm sure Umberto Bossi came here at least once ... Anyway I've mentioned your ideas in the office and so far they've got a reasonably mixed reception. I'm working on it

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So I fell off the wagon for the first time in 5 weeks. Yesterday was my fasting day but last night I couldn't resist temptation and had some some chocolate and an ice-cream and some roasted peanuts. Therefore today my weight is stuck at 82.0kg meaning I have lost only 3.3kg in 5 weeks since I started this diet. My lowest weight has been 81.2kg.
:frown:

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I think you're allowed to fall off the wagon a few times ........... unless you're a member of Alcoholics Anonymous.

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Keep going mate, weight often comes off intially and then there is a plateau then a dip in weight then a plateau...........

stick with it!

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try seeing 3.3 kg as over 7 lbs and you'll feel better :thumbsup: don't give up

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Thanks for the encouragement. I am actually pleased that I have lost the 3kg and it's stayed off but I really want to get to that 80kg mark which I haven't been at for years.

I feel really guilty and shitty this morning as a result though. Plus it's really shitty outside too, so overall a crappy day.

I've gone fully metric. Unless I am deciding between a 6 incher or a foot-long.

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It doesn't matter if he does it only 2 days a week, during those two days he's still losing muscle. If he continues that for a year he may lose up to 10kg of muscle. Personally, I think it's a bad idea.

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The truly dedicated dieter will know that you don't have chocolate AND an ice cream - you have a Magnum. It's what they were invented for.

Anyway, you're not really on a proper diet as such - you have merely adjusted your eating habits to assist weight loss. And 3.3 kg in 5 weeks extrapolates to 33 kg in less than a year. Just exactly how much more do you want to lose?

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Op - have you calculated your BMR and adjusted calorie intake accordingly?

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I was all out of Magnums unfortunately. All I had was some of the OH's crappy dark chocolate Perugina ice cream and some weird dark chocolate from Lidl. What's with dark chocolate anyway? It's not proper chocolate!

I have been stuck around at 82kg but despite my best efforts to eat whatever I want I haven't put the 3-odd kg back on. However, since I did my back in a couple of weeks ago I haven't been able to do much exercise.

My aim now is to get to and remain somewhere in the high 70 kilos.

No I haven't although I have high cholesterol and low blood pressure.

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try the links etc in this
hmm no link hang on

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BMR calculations – weight loss

To find out the right number of calories in vs. calories out to reach your fitness goal, calculate your basal metabolic rate (BMR) by plugging your information into this formula:

Women:
BMR = 655 + (4.35 x weight in pounds) +
(4.7 x height in inches) – (4.7 x age in years)

Men:
BMR = 66 + (6.23 x weight in pounds) +
(12.7 x height in inches) – (6.8 x age in year)

To determine your total daily calorie needs, multiply your BMR by the appropriate activity factor, as follows:
1. If you are sedentary (little or no exercise): Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.2
2. If you are lightly active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days/week): Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.375
3. If you are moderately active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week): Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.55
4. If you are very active (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days a week): Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.725
5. If you are extra active (very hard exercise/sports & physical job or 2x training): Calorie-Calculation = BMR x 1.9

http://www.nbc.com/the-biggest-loser...alculator/bmr/
this link does the first bit for you :)
Me:
5’7”
140lbs
45 yr old Female

1360.4 calories per day just to function

Then add in the level of exercise etc so I would put myself between levels 3 and 4 , so maybe multiply by 1.6

Grand Total of: 2176.64 Calories

Ok so that’s fine – that’s to exist as I am. But if I want to lose weight?

There are conflicting thoughts that 1lb of fat is the equivalent of 2200 to 3700 calories (dam!!)

SO. . For each 1lb of weight you wish to lose you need to cut the equivalent calories out of your diet . . .hence we should be looking at 1 to 2 lbs A WEEK/ 2 weeks. . Don’t beat yourself if you don’t lose 1lb a day - realistically you shouldn’t!

So for me:
2176 x 7 = 15,236 cals a week
Minus approx 3500 to lose a 1lb
11736 per week divided by 7
gives me
1676 a day!

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This thread is an interesting read, will give you that..

When your fad diet is done, do you think you might revert to some kind of sustainable programme?

Your muscles will be depleting with what you are doing, I am not repeating what others are now saying.

Will keep reading though

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And what is a sustainable programme? Eastenders?

Bells, my BMR is 1836 and I'm between levels 1 and 2 so I need 2387 calories per day.

Just in case anyone is interested. I am at 82.0kg today, completed exactly 6 weeks of this diet however for the last 2 weeks my fasting days have been slightly relaxed, i.e. I may have consumed more than the 600 calories recommended. Maybe around 1000 calories instead. Therefore I have not seen any weight loss. I am pleased however that I have not regained the 3.3kg already lost.

Also, for the last 2 weeks or so I have done little exercise due to my bad back apart from walking.

No sex either.

With the OH.

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In order to get better at sex you need to practice a lot on your own.

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This thread has ended?

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he must be busy practising ;)

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Maybe he will return with a dramatic announcement of success

I always find it interesting to read weightloss and training threads as they usually fizzle, I get asked a lot about training for a specific sport and always say to people please post the information after 6 months on how you did, rarely happens!

Since it is warmer now I came down from 82kgs to 74kgs since this thread started, i have no more to lose, eating small and regular, exercise

no tricks and no fads

ciao

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I think Duffer gave an update 11 days ago.

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Yes I tend to agree with your approach. For me the equation is quite simple you need to reduce calories in or increase calories burnt (or ideally do both).

I also think you need to consider a lifestyle change not just a diet if you are to keep the weight off permanently. That is why people yo-yo on their weight diet-no diet-diet-no diet etc etc.

well done on your weight loss, impressive numbers :thumbup:

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Water is the most underestimated variable in weight loss if not overall health.

You must keep yourself hydrated.

Great habit is everytime you enter the kitchen you drink a glass of water from the tap.

Most of the time the danger is you are bored or looking for a break and make that into a snack break rather than walking into the garden for a stretch or potter around the garden beds.

No alcohol
No caffeine
No sugar drinks - that includes juice

Herbal tea/Water

Chicken/Fish/Loads of Vegetables
Steamed is the best along with poached

Decent breakfast - no excuse if you claim you dont normally have breakfast.

Porridge even if slightly sweetended - the benefit is those oats, just dont add more sugar to already presweetened packets.
Mueslis
Boiled eggs


Tuna with salad for lunch

Try lots of small meals ie 8 to 10 small meals evenly spread out during the day.

Regular exercise - Very easy to do 5km to 8km walking after 6 weeks of gradual building up. Get up early get it done then your done for the day.

:)

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I agree with all you say other than those 3. Instead I offer:

Alcohol (preferably red wine :thumbup:) in moderation
Caffeine in moderation (we are in Italy for flips sake - no coffee :thumbdown:)
Sugar drinks in moderation

all things in moderation, including moderation ;)

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Red Wine has alcohol in it:sneaky:

Yes but I would encourage at least a few days detox to help traction on the program:)

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A few things at this point about the few kgs I lost

1. I posted my pic at 82kgs my current profile pic and dropped 8kgs to now be at 74kgs, gone from 34 to 32 waist, I am not skinny or weak, I can do over 80 pushups, 15 pulls ups on a good day, bench well over my body weight, I do exercises for overall fitness and cycle maybe 100km per week up and down the side of a mountain.

None of this is written to try and show off or impress that is not my intention. I am putting my remarks into context for you and answering in advance any questions about, yes but are you fit, strong etc answer is yes all round. I did want to post on this thread but it seems like the offering of advice had become competitive ! and I gave up at the stage that no one else offered up their picture and continued to post about fad diets.

2. I am 38 and same height as OP so age, height and weight were quite similar hence my interest in this thread and the OPs progress.

3. Again i do not want to blow trumpet but to put in context, I did a sport where power was very important and was one of the best in europe, it is a popular sport and I am often asked for tips or training etc.. people rarely follow through to a conclusion which gives me a little bit of an attitude on this stuff.

4. Fad diets, IMO are just that, anyone who can work a computer can figure out that certain ways of living are not sustainable for your lifetime.

Move around, eat good stuff in small amounts more frequently than you currently do and add some strength training and you WILL lose weight, feel better and you will be giving your body what it needs each day too.

4. I do not on any day deny myself anything with the exception of alcohol which I quit some year ago, it is no way to live to say I cannot have this or that or tomorrow I can! Moderation is just that.

5. Focus on making meals as flavoursome as you can, I find this really is very easy in Italy! (I will normally eat pasta from bowls rather than plates, reason being the max portion size is significantly less) i never ever feel hungry or unsatisfied after meals.

6. last year put 75g of pasta in plastic cups (The purpose was purely to see over a period of 2 weeks what a portion looks like).. do you know what 75g looks like? to save you time, it will fill a plastic cup to the brim and that is a portion of pasta

7. FYI I weighed myself twice, once at the start once a couple of days back, a lifestyle change is what you need and if you live the lifestyle it does not matter what the scales say on any given day, you WILL be in shape, just so long as what you do is sustainable long term.

Notes.

1. I did not want to piss on the orignal posters chips whilst he seemed enthusiastic but there is a tendency for people to have seasonal weight loss and 3kgs over 7 weeks or whatever it is, with days denying yourself food and so on seems to me like a path that will end without a result..

2
When the girl who I was a bit sharp with mentioned she spoke to a doctor then another about training and offered this fact as a reason her opinion was perhaps more valid, i could have then said, oh by the way I speak to nutritionists, professional trainers and athletes every day because I work with a sports nutrition company (But I did not as her CV was there to convince you about this fad diet) I merely asked that anyone offering advice post up their pictures so we know the athletes that are offering this non standard training info.

3. I was not on a diet, I was improving my fitness.

FAD DIETS DO NOT WORK.. this is my opinion and this thread is about a fad diet

I enjoyed it though, hope OP comes back with progress

ciao

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:rofl::rofl:

D'accordo

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Totally agree with you on fad diets but Duffer has asked for help and the thread is about helping him not fad diets. As we have both indicated it is a lifestyle change not a fad diet that delivers long term results.

Do bear in mind Duffer stated upfront that he is not going to exercise his way thinner like you (and I, if this knee thing heals).

FYI I am a masters athlete and qualified coach in a sport that is probably not entirely unrelated to what I think you do. Therefore, I recognize many of the things you say about people coming for advice - you are not wrong!!

My view is the fad diet is a deviation from the intent of the thread that is about helping Duffer so let us get back on track.

Duffer - how goes it?

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Hate to say it, but most of what 6 months and RedDragon advise is simply not what normal people do in the normal course of their lives - no alcohol? - that's really bad advice for most people because it devalues everything else you say.

And I wonder why 6 months needed to lose 8kg in a quite short time if control of weight is so obvious and easy - what caused you to be 8kg overweight?

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For me it was going from running 30-40 miles a week to none (injury).

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Bugger - hope it heals quick / you must be itching to get out!

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you are not kidding - eventually had an op in December and then managed to get 3 weeks on full time physio/rehab in Mar and I am now on a strengthening programme at my locla gym with some acqua jogging to keep the cardio going. Jogged a couple of km on the beach on Saturday and a pretty hilly 1 km on Sunday (first runs since October) and could barely walk Monday so still a long way to go.

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Can you use a stationary recumbent bike?

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yes I can and also am now allowed to cycle but main effort is to build up leg strength so that I can single leg press 125% of body weight, which is what physio wants me to do before resuming training

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I posted my pic at 82kgs also not photogenic perhaps but not exactly overweight.

I have dropped to 74kgs and am in very good shape I have the physique of a competitive swimmer I suppose is the best description.

A lot of the difference is in my legs as I used to to cycle the flat and march with a pack (Producing big muscles) and have been doing lots of climbs (One recent ascent is a straight climb from 0 feet altitude to 6500 feet) also not been using weights, climbing steep hills makes your body adapt so i have become very trim and fit.

Again the picture of me is me at 82kgs, if you believe this is fat then I was fat apparently


P.S the no alcohol bit is nothing to do with weight, I just quit as I noticed I felt better in general whilst playing football etc... I do not recommend you stop anything simply to lose weight

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Exactly what I mean - none of that stuff is what normal people do in the normal course of their lives.

Bear in mind that the Duffer asked "Fat people I need your help" so maybe some of the stuff you advise is a bit out of context?

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Are you only 38 ?

Why is it that I imagined you to be older?
Perhaps it's the 6 months here and 6 months there that made me think you were retired and could spend the winter months here.

I should know by now not to judge or make assumptions.

Anyway ..... show us your pecs :rofl:

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I am very grumpy so often I assumed to be much older:D

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What does a normal person do? Going for a bike ride is pretty normal, going for a walk is also..

I think the forum title is a little tongue in cheek and the OP wanted opinion and input from all, really why would you only want to know Fat peoples opinion on how to lose weight? That is like asking vegans which bacon is the tastiest

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:rofl:

Too grumpy to be only 38. Get into happy hour and get some drinks in !

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My normal day includes as little programmed exercise as possible.

I cannot plan it. I can walk to a shop, pick up bread and walk back. Bollocks, perhaps I'm not supposed to buy the bread?

I do the stairs upstairs a lot. I have good legs and a great arse. Middle section getting a bit wobbly.

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You're grumpy because you're constipated. At least, I always get that impression.

Listen, I asked for help for a specific purpose and most of you peeps have been great. I'm doing what I'm doing and it works for me. I've lost 4kg in almost 8 weeks and I can fit into jeans that wouldn't even button up last summer guys.

What have I given up? Beer and bread. Even so, not cut them out completely. I'm still drinking lots of wine and eating lots of chocolate. Am I doing much exercise? No, not really. What I have learned is to moderate on some days. Other days I treat myself a lot. And I'm still a sexy mutha****er!

Incidently, most folk, especially Mike and SirTK, have understood me and my requirements whereas 6months has spectacularly failed to consider my objectives. I am not interested in this type of obnoxious preaching.

BTW Why fat people? I can relate to them. Whether it's chocolate, wine or sex: I binge. And fat people usually got fat because they ate a shitload. I realised that I could head in that direction unless I did something so I may have lost only 4kg which might not be a lot but I know that if I hadn't done something I would be closer to 90kg instead of 80kg today (81.4kg).

If I wanted to cycle 50km I'd do it on a motorcycle.