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Walton Jan 26th 2022 11:12 am

Covid vaccines/green pass
 
As it is now compulsory for the over 50’s to have been vaccinated against covid does anyone know how many jabs you have had to have?

Also....the green pass rules seem to be as clear as mud (or is that just me).....I had a text saying my green pass runs out 1st Feb.....it seems that I can’t go to lots of places until I have had my booster....that will give me a super green pass....but it looks like there is a basic green pass....what’s that all about?

philat98 Jan 26th 2022 11:40 am

Re: Covid vaccines/green pass
 

Originally Posted by Walton (Post 13090399)
As it is now compulsory for the over 50’s to have been vaccinated against covid does anyone know how many jabs you have had to have?

Also....the green pass rules seem to be as clear as mud (or is that just me).....I had a text saying my green pass runs out 1st Feb.....it seems that I can’t go to lots of places until I have had my booster....that will give me a super green pass....but it looks like there is a basic green pass....what’s that all about?

The only point of the super green pass is to exclude the anti vaxers.
Here are the rules.
https://www.wantedinrome.com/news/co...0-january.html

Walton Jan 26th 2022 12:02 pm

Re: Covid vaccines/green pass
 
Great article but still doesn’t explain what happens when your 2 vaccine green pass runs out...then what?

philat98 Jan 26th 2022 12:19 pm

Re: Covid vaccines/green pass
 

Originally Posted by Walton (Post 13090416)
Great article but still doesn’t explain what happens when your 2 vaccine green pass runs out...then what?

I would go to the ASL website and book a booster vaccination.

C.2s Jan 26th 2022 1:08 pm

Re: Covid vaccines/green pass
 
Well to summarise the article I read about vaccine validity, it means that any existing vaccine validity is six months max (this rule comes into effect on the 1st Feb).

So if say one's last vaccination was 7 months ago one could obtain the Super Green Pass today... but one couldn't after 31Jan without first getting the booster.

The basic Green Pass is still available, and can be obtained by getting a negative test or having antibodies through prior infection or by having been vaccinated. The article from 'Wanted in Rome' gives the list of what activities can be done with a Green Pass and which require a Super Green Pass.

So one could choose to not be vaccinated/not get the booster if one didn't want a Super Green Pass.

BUT my interpretation is that this talk of Basic, Super and Reinforced Green Passes has no direct connection to the rules/law about all over 50s being vaccinated. As far as I can see that's not a choice. If you are over 50 and your vaccine status is either not vaccinated or not up to date then it looks as though you are automatically breaking the law and risk a fine.

Ps. To confuse matters further there's talk of extending the validity of third doses back to 9months ... but I don't think that's official yet

Walton Jan 26th 2022 1:13 pm

Re: Covid vaccines/green pass
 
I have already booked for the booster....what then? Apparently that will get you 6 months of super green pass...and then? Another booster....????

Are you vaccinated with one jab, 2 jabs...3 jabs....what is the compulsory? I understand the new rules is to punish the anti vaxers....what about all the businesses that unless you have super green pass or recovered from Covid you are excluded from.....there’s no cohesive thinking going on....you can’t even go into the post office without a super green pass....

C.2s Jan 26th 2022 1:53 pm

Re: Covid vaccines/green pass
 
Okay. Don't shoot the messenger(s). We're just trying to answer your questions. :-)

As I understand it you need a Green Pass (not a Super Green Pass) for Post Offices. This is also what it says in the article from Wanted in Rome.

But I take your point about what happens next and what's the economic impact. I can see both sides of the argument, but to put myself in the shoes of those who support these regulations I think they would argue this:

Nobody truly knows if we will need further boosters and/or restrictions. It depends on how the virus situation evolves. The evidence from the UK and South Africa suggests that Omicron spreads widely and rapidly, but with a much lower percentage number of deaths and serious cases, especially in populations that are younger, generally fitter, and vaccinated. And that three vaccinations seem to be necessary to give the best level of protection. The good news is that maybe this wave reaches a peak quite rapidly. However, in the USA they are currently experiencing some of the worst daily death rates and hospitalisation rates that they have experienced during the pandemic. The evidence seems to suggest that the two groups in US society suffering the most are the over 65s and the unvaccinated, especially if they have other preexisting illnesses or are obese. Therefore many hospitals in the US are under pressure. Italy has a large portion of the population over 50 and many of them were vaccinated a long time ago, so they probably need more protection. In that light the idea of vaccinating everyone over 50 three times seems to be quite logical, because people over 50 who are not vaccinated are statistically more likely to need hospital treatment, and we need to reduce the pressure on hospitals. In the hope that we will relatively quickly ride out this wave, that we will reach a point where the virus is endemic, and hopefully be able to remove a lot of restrictions. But it's possible that the virus will mutate again...actually it's absolutely certain that it will mutate... but it isn't certain whether those mutations will be stronger or weaker. The general expectation is it will get weaker, and then hopefully we can all move on.

Rose68 Jan 26th 2022 1:59 pm

Re: Covid vaccines/green pass
 
My "Super green pass" is valid for 9 months (3 vaccine doses, 3rd one in December). I suppose the validity date just indicates that before then, we will most probably be summoned for another booster, like they're doing in Israel (4 doses).

philat98 Jan 26th 2022 2:13 pm

Re: Covid vaccines/green pass
 

Originally Posted by Rose68 (Post 13090458)
My "Super green pass" is valid for 9 months (3 vaccine doses, 3rd one in December). I suppose the validity date just indicates that before then, we will most probably be summoned for another booster, like they're doing in Israel (4 doses).

It says in the news today that with 3 doses the Green Pass will have no expiry date.

Rose68 Jan 26th 2022 2:24 pm

Re: Covid vaccines/green pass
 

Originally Posted by philat98 (Post 13090460)
It says in the news today that with 3 doses the Green Pass will have no expiry date.

Well, that's a bit of good news, at least.

campos Jan 26th 2022 5:35 pm

Re: Covid vaccines/green pass
 
Over 50s can opt not to be vaccinated and pay a €100 fine and be very limited in places you can enter. Not sure if it's the same for under 50s.

C.2s Jan 26th 2022 8:28 pm

Re: Covid vaccines/green pass
 

Originally Posted by campos (Post 13090507)
Over 50s can opt not to be vaccinated and pay a €100 fine and be very limited in places you can enter. Not sure if it's the same for under 50s.


Is it a one off fine?

Rose68 Jan 27th 2022 5:47 am

Re: Covid vaccines/green pass
 
I found an interesting article from Il Sole 24 ore (dated 17/1/22), after digiting 'multa no vax over 50.'
Sorry, I don't know how to insert links!

campos Jan 27th 2022 7:14 am

Re: Covid vaccines/green pass
 

Originally Posted by C.2s (Post 13090537)
Is it a one off fine?

i believe so.

Scott Buss Jan 27th 2022 2:30 pm

Re: Covid vaccines/green pass
 
It is counterintuitive , but it seems that as long as you have had Covid 19 everything is a pass.


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