This is just a minefield isn't it in trying to work out what to do and when. When you are just starting out here it is so confusing because you hear that you need to do this or do that but then when you try it doesn't always work out

When our residency application was rejected last week by the Commune we were left thinking that we'd tried to do all the right things but still needed more.

Anyway two more questions - once all the paperwork has been accepted by the Commune does the residency get granted straight away or does it take a while to come through?

Re informing the police we are here - can we only do this when we get residency or do we need to do it anyway once we've been here for 3 months?

Thanks

Because of the law changes and the lack of a PdiS for EU citizens you no longer go to the police AT ALL unless you are from outside the EU. Once you have started the process with the Anagrafe you have fulfilled that requirement. The only time you will see the police is when they come to check you live where you say do for your residency to be completed. That's it! So if they come knocking on the door anytime soon I would assume you have residency!

Linda

You do NOT need to go to the police AT ALL.

Any EU member wishing to stay in Italy for longer than three months needs to go to the comune.
If you are not employed here in Italy you need to prove that you have sufficient income to support yourself and that you have health care coverage so that you will not be a burden on the Italian state.

You have already been to your comune. I hope they told you what was missing and I presume they made you fill out a form, so I presuming they know you are here, have some of your details and are just waiting for whatever it is.

Once you get your residency a comune policeman (polizia municipale) will come to your house to verify that you are actually living where you say you are. This is not just for us - they do it to Italians as well. They are usually around fairly quickly so don't be alarmed if somebody on the intercom says they are "police" or "comune".

You do not need to inform anybody else or do anything else.

Don't expect them to give you a big residency certificate or anything like that. Residency just means an official and legal registered resident of that town. You won't get anything to bring home with you.

You can though after that go back to the town hall and ask for a Carta D'Identita.

This has the comune name on it, a personal number. Your personal detials : full name - date of birth - town of birth - citizenship - address and height - colour of eyes and any "particular marks". It also has your photo and your signature.

I have one - it is handy to keep in my purse and a lot safer than going around with a passport or whatever. It is also a very well known Italian document and handy for lots of things including proof of name for picking up parcels at post office to handing in at hotels instead of passport.

Because I am not an Italian citizen though mine also has an extra stamp on the back of it saying "non valida per l'espatrio"

This just means that I cannot use it as travel document out of Italy. Italians can travel europe with theirs instead of a passport. I can't.

Thank you to you both. The commune did say what else we needed and this was a special stamp on my wedding certificate from the British Consulate in London! (I have a sneaking suspicion that even if we went all the way to London and got it, they would still want something else). I purposely didn't get any official translations or anything else in england because I read that only Italian ones would do.

I'm back to England on Saturday for Christmas so I think it will have to be a job for the new year. We were also wondering about trying the two-pronged approach of hubby applying 1st and then me later seeing as I seem to be the problem of not having a job in italy.

Unless of course we gather all our strength together and go to the Commune this week again (different day, possibly different decision)

Linda

just do it together. You are married and the law states that any "familiare" has the same rights with the same conditions.

You might need two seperate lots of health coverage but you will both be residents at the same address. As long as hubby says that he is your provider then it should be easier to just get it done once !

d) e' familiare, come definito dall'articolo 2, che accompagna o raggiunge un cittadino dell'Unione che ha diritto di soggiornare ai sensi delle lettere a), b) o c).

here is the link to the whole lot of this decree.

http://www.parlamento.it/leggi/deleghe/07030dl.htm

and if the comune are getting shirty about you not working then DO point out part d) of article 7

right - I'm all typed out on legal stuff for the minute.
Time for a tea break.

Thanks Lorna

you're welcome

If you would care to re-read my post about the requirements for foreigners to comply with Italian law, you will find that you are repeating some (but not all) of what I have already said.

Putting it really simply now, the current requirements are:

1. You must get a "Codice Fiscale". You can not buy anything of importance, such as a house or a car, here without one. Neither can you get a telephone (fixed or mobile), electrical or gas supply without one. You can not legally rent a property either.

2. Once you have somewhere to live, you must register with the comune in which you live within 3 months of your residency. This is a legal requirement whether you are a foreigner or Italian -EU or extra communita.

3. In order to obtain health care in Italy you must have a Carta Regionale dei Servizi - Tessera Sanitaria - which you can apply for after you have residency. This card is needed if you register with a doctor, get prescription medicines at a pharmacy, see an optician, visit a hospital, etc. You are entitled, as a EU citizen, to seek emergency medical treatment if you have a European Health Card, issued in your home country. This has a limited validity and also gives you limited access to the excellent medical facilities available in Italy.

4. As a EU citizen, you are not required by law to purchase a kit from the post office to enable your application for a permesso di soggiorno. For people with slightly unusual circumstances including those relationships outside of those recognised currently by the state (unmarried or homosexual for instance), you can still get a kit for EU citizens and it would prove advantageous to do so for many people.

It is important, in light of what you are claiming, to point out that the new government of dott Berlusconi has abandoned the change in law that the Prodi government were proposing to give rights to unmarried and gay partnerships similar to those "enjoyed" by hetrosexual, married unions.

5. As a tourist, you are required to register your arrival in Italy within 7 days of arrival. This is usually done by the hotel you are staying in (hence their requirement for your passport). This is an important point for people here to be aware of if you have visitors staying with you as well. It is not a new law and is not a law that has been rescinded - it is a long standing anti-terrorism law. Like it or not, it is a legal obligation that you ignore at your personal peril.

Italian law is difficult for many people to come to grips with as it is so different from the legal system of the country you, as English speakers, come from. Passing misinformation as has been clearly happening here, is not helpful to those that might be considering taking such wrong advice, if the end result could be a criminal conviction against them.

Now, I realise that it is unsafe to take the words of people at face value on here - and I would hope that anyone reading this that is unsure of what to do will feel the same.

The answer is always very simple. If you don't know what you should be doing to live here legally, get in touch with your embassy. The British Embassy has current information both available over the telephone to callers and also on the British government's Italian Embassy website. If your situation is more "unusual", you need to talk to an Italian qualified lawyer.

If you speak Italian, read this document.

http://www.governo.it/GovernoInforma...migrazione.pdf

A further point is that if you have stayed in Italy, legally, for 5 years or more, you can apply (at the comune for an EU citizen, at the questura if extra communita) for a permanent right of stay.

DID YOU READ ANY OF MY LAST POSTS ?

Please STOP talking about a permesso di soggiorno. EU citizens DO NOT NEED IT !!!!!!!!!! We don't need a kit of any kind !

You DO NOT NEED a tessera sanitaria for any eye tests at the opticians. You can walk into any Opticians in any town and get your eyes checked and buy glasses. You will pay for this whether you have a health card or not.

NONE of our British visitors, friends and family need to register their presence at all.
Read this :
Per lo straniero che proviene da Paesi che non applicano l’Accordo di Schengen l’obbligo di rendere la dichiarazione di presenza è soddisfatto con l’apposizione del timbro uniforme Schengen sul documento di viaggio al momento del controllo di frontiera.

This clearly says that they do not to declare their presence. From the Poliza Di Stato website)

And as for the link you posted ............... nowhere on it does it mention the 7 days that you keep insisting on and more worryingly ......... it does not say when it was written and if it has ever been updated.


NOW GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE SOME POOR BUGGER STARTS BELIEVING ALL THE SHITE YOU HAVE POSTED AND THINKS THAT GETTING INTO ITALY IS PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE !

furthermore, quote

"If you would care to re-read my post about the requirements for foreigners to comply with Italian law, you will find that you are repeating some (but not all) of what I have already said."

What you already said was total tosh compared to the CORRECT info that Testrossa posted. All you did was scare most of the people on here that they'd end up in jail !!!!!!

Do you need to do any paperwork to enter Jail?