Won't be allocated in "the current program year"!?
Jan 9th 2009 | 6:30 pm
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Re: Won't be allocated in "the current program year"!?
Well the other thing to consider is that of all the current lodged applications, there would be a smaller number of ENS, State sponsored and CSL applicants compared to the number of independent GSM applicants.
Its fair to accept that that there would be few companies will put up with the hassle of ENS unless the applicant was already in Australia on say a WHV 417 or 457, and is already working for them .....from experience most employers reckon that its a hassle and a bit risky. So over all there would be considerably lower number of applicants as compared to independent applicants. There are a few exceptions to this but common sense would say that better to employ someone that there in front of you than on the other end of a phone.
Also there would be not to many applicants that can apply for State Sponsored to fill a short list of required occupations. I would say that the states would only be able to process so many at anyone time. So there would be a lower number of applicants as compared to independant applicants.
Also the CSL is a pretty short list there would be only a small number of applicants that would actually qualify to be on that list.
So take into account that of all the current applicants in the system maybe only 20 -30 % are going to get priority.
Even if applicants are going to lodge in the near future and have to get Employer and State approval, could still take months before they are able to lodge.
So if you look at the big picture maybe DIAC are planning on clearing out all the priority applications first, because they are essential and are required now then they will tackle the rest of GSM applications as per usual.
I have heard of ENS being processed and granted within 2 weeks of lodgement, so it might not take that long to clear the backlog. I imagine this whole thing is because of the large number of applications due to the changes in September 2007.... they are just trying to clear the applications that they really need at the moment.
Its fair to accept that that there would be few companies will put up with the hassle of ENS unless the applicant was already in Australia on say a WHV 417 or 457, and is already working for them .....from experience most employers reckon that its a hassle and a bit risky. So over all there would be considerably lower number of applicants as compared to independent applicants. There are a few exceptions to this but common sense would say that better to employ someone that there in front of you than on the other end of a phone.
Also there would be not to many applicants that can apply for State Sponsored to fill a short list of required occupations. I would say that the states would only be able to process so many at anyone time. So there would be a lower number of applicants as compared to independant applicants.
Also the CSL is a pretty short list there would be only a small number of applicants that would actually qualify to be on that list.
So take into account that of all the current applicants in the system maybe only 20 -30 % are going to get priority.
Even if applicants are going to lodge in the near future and have to get Employer and State approval, could still take months before they are able to lodge.
So if you look at the big picture maybe DIAC are planning on clearing out all the priority applications first, because they are essential and are required now then they will tackle the rest of GSM applications as per usual.
I have heard of ENS being processed and granted within 2 weeks of lodgement, so it might not take that long to clear the backlog. I imagine this whole thing is because of the large number of applications due to the changes in September 2007.... they are just trying to clear the applications that they really need at the moment.
I really hope you're right!
Jan 9th 2009 | 10:53 pm
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Re: Won't be allocated in "the current program year"!?
With all due respect to those who are frustrated by the change in processing priorities, it is surely the responsibility of Australia's Immigration Minister to decide which skilled people are most required in Australia?
The skilled program is not limitless in terms of the number of visas that are granted each year, and as such I suggest it makes sense from the Australian perspective to focus on the skilled applicants who are most likely to meet ongoing skilled requirements.
Best regards to all.
The skilled program is not limitless in terms of the number of visas that are granted each year, and as such I suggest it makes sense from the Australian perspective to focus on the skilled applicants who are most likely to meet ongoing skilled requirements.
Best regards to all.
Jan 9th 2009 | 10:59 pm
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Re: Won't be allocated in "the current program year"!?
With all due respect to those who are frustrated by the change in processing priorities, it is surely the responsibility of Australia's Immigration Minister to decide which skilled people are most required in Australia?
The skilled program is not limitless in terms of the number of visas that are granted each year, and as such I suggest it makes sense from the Australian perspective to focus on the skilled applicants who are most likely to meet ongoing skilled requirements.
Best regards to all.
The skilled program is not limitless in terms of the number of visas that are granted each year, and as such I suggest it makes sense from the Australian perspective to focus on the skilled applicants who are most likely to meet ongoing skilled requirements.
Best regards to all.
also i think that employer sponsered visa's should be given priority - and those that are on a 457 who are then going to be employer pr sponsered - they have already contrabuted to the au economy ,pd taxes etc they should be priority as they were brought here because of the skills they had/have
just my 5 cents worth
Jan 10th 2009 | 1:49 am
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Re: Won't be allocated in "the current program year"!?
totally agree
also i think that employer sponsered visa's should be given priority - and those that are on a 457 who are then going to be employer pr sponsered - they have already contrabuted to the au economy ,pd taxes etc they should be priority as they were brought here because of the skills they had/have
just my 5 cents worth
also i think that employer sponsered visa's should be given priority - and those that are on a 457 who are then going to be employer pr sponsered - they have already contrabuted to the au economy ,pd taxes etc they should be priority as they were brought here because of the skills they had/have
just my 5 cents worth
Anyone who is on a 457 and has applied for a 175 on a date prior to the announcement should have been given the same priority as 457 to ENS up to 17th Dec. and then after that date the applicant would have had to make a decision which visa suits them the best.
He also mentioned in this original announcement on the 17th December that the 457 to ENS is the preferred route, I reckon his thinking is to get people in quickly on a 457 to plug the gaps and if they are contributing to society and behave themselves then they can stay.
The reason behind this is probably simple.... People applied for PR with a certain skill but when they arrived in Australia they did not take up that occupation because they wanted to do something better!! No harm in that since for most Australia is the land of opportunity but someone has to fill those positions.
So what will probably happen is they encourage employers to sponsor on applicants on 457 and then if they prove that they are not Lemons allow them to apply for PR.
Jan 10th 2009 | 3:33 am
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Re: Won't be allocated in "the current program year"!?
With all due respect to those who are frustrated by the change in processing priorities, it is surely the responsibility of Australia's Immigration Minister to decide which skilled people are most required in Australia?
The skilled program is not limitless in terms of the number of visas that are granted each year, and as such I suggest it makes sense from the Australian perspective to focus on the skilled applicants who are most likely to meet ongoing skilled requirements.
Best regards to all.
The skilled program is not limitless in terms of the number of visas that are granted each year, and as such I suggest it makes sense from the Australian perspective to focus on the skilled applicants who are most likely to meet ongoing skilled requirements.
Best regards to all.
Jan 10th 2009 | 5:08 am
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Re: Won't be allocated in "the current program year"!?
Hey guys
Can I know what is STANDARD time for CO allocation for HR country - 175?
I have been not allocated CO in last one year.. I do not know what to do.. should i continue with my accounting job or switch to better paying job in this recession time..............
I am freaking out.. when will i get co..
Thanks:curse:
Can I know what is STANDARD time for CO allocation for HR country - 175?
I have been not allocated CO in last one year.. I do not know what to do.. should i continue with my accounting job or switch to better paying job in this recession time..............
I am freaking out.. when will i get co..
Thanks:curse:
Jan 12th 2009 | 12:47 am
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Re: Won't be allocated in "the current program year"!?
Hey guys
Can I know what is STANDARD time for CO allocation for HR country - 175?
I have been not allocated CO in last one year.. I do not know what to do.. should i continue with my accounting job or switch to better paying job in this recession time..............
I am freaking out.. when will i get co..
Thanks:curse:
Can I know what is STANDARD time for CO allocation for HR country - 175?
I have been not allocated CO in last one year.. I do not know what to do.. should i continue with my accounting job or switch to better paying job in this recession time..............
I am freaking out.. when will i get co..
Thanks:curse:
Trust me, I made the same mistake of freaking out & it hasn't gotten me anywhere.
If you have a better job offer, go for it. There is no way anyone could control when a CO is allocated.
With the way things are moving with the CSL introduction it may be till June\July that they start allocating CO's to GSM apps.
Keep it real, hang in there, things will eventually work out.
Jan 12th 2009 | 2:20 am
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Re: Won't be allocated in "the current program year"!?
Wait, this priority that sponsored visas will now enjoy: is it only for now, ie will they just move the 174 visas down until they have gone through the sponsored visas they have now? Or is this the new standard from now on? If so, anyone applying for a 175 is pretty much screwed.
Jan 12th 2009 | 11:22 am
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Re: Won't be allocated in "the current program year"!?
[QUOTE=man_called_Horse;7148539]Yeah your right ... any applicant who is on a 457 to PR should have got priority processing and I think the Minister instructions is trying to address that, unfortunately those applicants who had the 120 points and preferred the independence of 175 GSM have been 'over looked'. I would say that Chris Evans has received plenty of emails about this over the last 2 weeks.
Anyone who is on a 457 and has applied for a 175 on a date prior to the announcement should have been given the same priority as 457 to ENS up to 17th Dec. and then after that date the applicant would have had to make a decision which visa suits them the best.
He also mentioned in this original announcement on the 17th December that the 457 to ENS is the preferred route, I reckon his thinking is to get people in quickly on a 457 to plug the gaps and if they are contributing to society and behave themselves then they can stay. lets hope so
The reason behind this is probably simple.... People applied for PR with a certain skill but when they arrived in Australia they did not take up that occupation because they wanted to do something better!! No harm in that since for most Australia is the land of opportunity but someone has to fill those positions.
So what will probably happen is they encourage employers to sponsor on applicants on 457 and then if they prove that they are not Lemons allow them to apply for PR.[/QUOTE]
but does it mean though that people who were on 457 and are now applying for ens are more likely going to get pr? i dont think so - i still think it will be difficult to get pr even if you have shown yourself not to be a lemon in the work place
Anyone who is on a 457 and has applied for a 175 on a date prior to the announcement should have been given the same priority as 457 to ENS up to 17th Dec. and then after that date the applicant would have had to make a decision which visa suits them the best.
He also mentioned in this original announcement on the 17th December that the 457 to ENS is the preferred route, I reckon his thinking is to get people in quickly on a 457 to plug the gaps and if they are contributing to society and behave themselves then they can stay. lets hope so
The reason behind this is probably simple.... People applied for PR with a certain skill but when they arrived in Australia they did not take up that occupation because they wanted to do something better!! No harm in that since for most Australia is the land of opportunity but someone has to fill those positions.
So what will probably happen is they encourage employers to sponsor on applicants on 457 and then if they prove that they are not Lemons allow them to apply for PR.[/QUOTE]
but does it mean though that people who were on 457 and are now applying for ens are more likely going to get pr? i dont think so - i still think it will be difficult to get pr even if you have shown yourself not to be a lemon in the work place
Jan 12th 2009 | 11:23 am
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Re: Won't be allocated in "the current program year"!?
[QUOTE=man_called_Horse;7148539]Yeah your right ... any applicant who is on a 457 to PR should have got priority processing and I think the Minister instructions is trying to address that, unfortunately those applicants who had the 120 points and preferred the independence of 175 GSM have been 'over looked'. I would say that Chris Evans has received plenty of emails about this over the last 2 weeks.
Anyone who is on a 457 and has applied for a 175 on a date prior to the announcement should have been given the same priority as 457 to ENS up to 17th Dec. and then after that date the applicant would have had to make a decision which visa suits them the best.
He also mentioned in this original announcement on the 17th December that the 457 to ENS is the preferred route, I reckon his thinking is to get people in quickly on a 457 to plug the gaps and if they are contributing to society and behave themselves then they can stay. lets hope so
The reason behind this is probably simple.... People applied for PR with a certain skill but when they arrived in Australia they did not take up that occupation because they wanted to do something better!! No harm in that since for most Australia is the land of opportunity but someone has to fill those positions.
So what will probably happen is they encourage employers to sponsor on applicants on 457 and then if they prove that they are not Lemons allow them to apply for PR.[/QUOTE]
but does it mean though that people who were on 457 and are now applying for ens are more likely going to get pr? i dont think so - i still think it will be difficult to get pr even if you have shown yourself not to be a lemon in the work place
Anyone who is on a 457 and has applied for a 175 on a date prior to the announcement should have been given the same priority as 457 to ENS up to 17th Dec. and then after that date the applicant would have had to make a decision which visa suits them the best.
He also mentioned in this original announcement on the 17th December that the 457 to ENS is the preferred route, I reckon his thinking is to get people in quickly on a 457 to plug the gaps and if they are contributing to society and behave themselves then they can stay. lets hope so
The reason behind this is probably simple.... People applied for PR with a certain skill but when they arrived in Australia they did not take up that occupation because they wanted to do something better!! No harm in that since for most Australia is the land of opportunity but someone has to fill those positions.
So what will probably happen is they encourage employers to sponsor on applicants on 457 and then if they prove that they are not Lemons allow them to apply for PR.[/QUOTE]
but does it mean though that people who were on 457 and are now applying for ens are more likely going to get pr? i dont think so - i still think it will be difficult to get pr even if you have shown yourself not to be a lemon in the work place
Jan 12th 2009 | 11:33 am
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Re: Won't be allocated in "the current program year"!?
I just got the reply from ASPC regarding my previous enquiry about the priority processing policy.
According to this letter, because my occupation is not on the CSL list, my 175 application is not likely to be allocated in the "current program year"!!
This is just ridiculous! I have waited for more than 9 months and they tell me there won't be any CO allocated to my case in the following 6 months!! And what if they continue this priority processing in the next program year? Does that mean I'll have to wait until the global economy recovers?
How can they do this?
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According to this letter, because my occupation is not on the CSL list, my 175 application is not likely to be allocated in the "current program year"!!
This is just ridiculous! I have waited for more than 9 months and they tell me there won't be any CO allocated to my case in the following 6 months!! And what if they continue this priority processing in the next program year? Does that mean I'll have to wait until the global economy recovers?
How can they do this?
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Jan 12th 2009 | 7:20 pm
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Re: Won't be allocated in "the current program year"!?
It is clear from today's update that ASPC is not going to touch applications with lower priority until all cases above them are finished.
However I think this is not a sustainable plan because there are always new applications coming, so technically there will never be a moment when ALL higher priority cases are finished. It will become a last-come-first-served situation... If you are categorised as the lowest priority like me, it could take a miracle for COs to reach you...
However I think this is not a sustainable plan because there are always new applications coming, so technically there will never be a moment when ALL higher priority cases are finished. It will become a last-come-first-served situation... If you are categorised as the lowest priority like me, it could take a miracle for COs to reach you...
Jan 13th 2009 | 1:56 am
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Re: Won't be allocated in "the current program year"!?
It is clear from today's update that ASPC is not going to touch applications with lower priority until all cases above them are finished.
However I think this is not a sustainable plan because there are always new applications coming, so technically there will never be a moment when ALL higher priority cases are finished. It will become a last-come-first-served situation... If you are categorised as the lowest priority like me, it could take a miracle for COs to reach you...
However I think this is not a sustainable plan because there are always new applications coming, so technically there will never be a moment when ALL higher priority cases are finished. It will become a last-come-first-served situation... If you are categorised as the lowest priority like me, it could take a miracle for COs to reach you...
Jan 13th 2009 | 2:32 am
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Re: Won't be allocated in "the current program year"!?
I'd think so. LR applicants are not "more wanted" by australia than HR applicants, the difference is just that HR applicants take longer to process.
I.e. an HR-CSL applicant should have higher priority than a LR-nonCSL applicant.
Last edited by letmein; Jan 13th 2009 at 2:52 am.
Jan 13th 2009 | 7:15 am
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Re: Won't be allocated in "the current program year"!?
The Australian government is obviously aware of this and have takes steps to address it through increasing English language requirements etc, but they are not stupid and tune the system to achieve the outcomes they desire. From OZ Gov's point of view there is little point in granting visas to people with CSL skills if they are going to end up labouring on a buliding site or driving taxis.
Also Australia is expecting a lot of CSL list Australian expats to return home.
Last edited by ex_exile; Jan 13th 2009 at 7:18 am.
