Rob

Misterbean, can you please not include the original article or parts of it without
marking it as attributed text.

The convention is to mark the text with a leading ">" for each level of older text.

Thanks.

Misterbean

Thanks - wondered why it didn't work? Must have changed something somewhere - added
text came out in italics previously. Appreciate the feedback.. Rob..

Chris

"pommie bastard" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > What Australia invention,jet engine ,television ,radar ,steam engine , maybe
    > computers sorry all British.

Try: [url="http://inventors.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.q-
ues"]http://inventors.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ques[/u-
rl] tacon.edu.au%2Finnovaus%2F and: http://inventors.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.ht-
m?site=http%3A%2F%2Fmaths.uw
a.edu.au%2F%7Eadrian%2Fozinvent.html

Then read this extract:

"Australian Firsts and Inventions

Democratic Firsts First place in the world to have a secret ballot in elections
(1856) First Place in the world to give women the vote. (1894)

Legal Firsts Torrens Title. An Australian invented the worlds first method of land
registration. Now in use by many countries around the world.

Sporting Firsts First country in the world to beat America in it America's cup. Only
country to have attended every modern Olympic games. The first country to employ
skiing as a sport. (1863) The Australian crawl. Until the 1890's competetive
freestyle was done with the head out of the water. (Remember how Tarzan used to swim
in the movies?) Australian Dick Cavill popularised it and enabled it to be accepted
in world class meetings.

Inventions The bionic ear, a device that enables some deaf children to hear. Flexible
wine casks... the bag in the box. The boomerang. Ancient weapon of the aboriginies.
Other cultures have throwing sticks but none came back to the thrower if it missed
the target. The Notepad. In the whole history of paper, it had been sold and used in
single sheets until in 1902 JA Birchall thought it would be a good idea to stack a
pile of half sheets together, back it with cardboard and glue one end. Making the
world's first notepad. Xerox photocopying process was the result opf research by Prof
O U Vonwiller from the University of Sydney published in 1907. The Electric Drill was
the invention of Arthur James Arnot, who patented it in 1889. Postage stamps. The
world's first pre paid postage system was introduced at Sydney in 1838. The worls
first refrigeration plant was an Australian invention of 1858. To our collective
shame, the worlds first bathing beauty contest was held in Australia in 1920. The
famous "black box" flight recorder for recording aeroplane movements was invented in
Australia in 1958. Also in 1958 the worlds first regular 'round the world' airline
service was begun. The inflatable aircraft escape slide, which becomes a raft if the
aeroplane ditches in water was an Australian invention of 1965. The Automatic letter
sorting machine - 1930 Two stroke lawn mower. The rotary hoist washing line. Lithium
as a treatment for manic depression. Latex gloves 1945

Military firsts The underwater torpedo, Louis Brennan 1874 The tank (1912 - Lance de
Mole) Paper machine gun belt - dramatically reduced gun jamming while firing.

Biggest The largest Island in the world. The flagpole at Parliament house in Canberra
is the largest aluminium object in the world. Sydney Tower is the highest building in
the southern hemisphere. Kalgoorlie in WA is the worlds largest electorate 2,255,278
sq km The Australian Labor Party is the oldest surviving labor party in the world.
(1891)The worlds largest cattle property is Strangeray Springs in S.A. over
30,000 sq km

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http://inventors.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pal
indrome.com.au%2Ffirsts.html]

A large number of medical discoveries/projects are also made in Australia,
however, the French and Americans are keen bidders in securing the rights to mass
produce them.

    >I work in a so called Hi Tec company in Perth

Thought you were a brickie.

    >all the top engineers are Brits

lol

    >and I grow tired of the bull about Australia ideas are being ripped off.watched some
    >program about the black box in planes the guy that had the idea was born in
    >Australia but got it made and developed in you guessed it UK.Sorry about my written
    >English been here too long I am coming down to Australian level.

Uh-huh.

    >By the way what Australia companies

http://www.asx.com.au Go here for a start...
they're just the publicly listed ones.

Chris

dpr21

Personally, I reckon the average migrant couldn't give a continental whether an Aussie or a Pom invented the radar, the black box ..etc ...n!

Pommie you're either doing a great wind up job or you're one of the saddest inhabitants on the planet - your comments lead me to believe you'd consider trainspotting to be an extreme sport. If the latter you're in dire need of serious medical attention. If Oz is so cr*p, go back to wherever you consider Nirvana/Utopia to be - somehow, though, I doubt with your attitude that you'll enjoy life anywhere.

For the rest of you don't be put off by PB's sad comments. He's correct on some aspects - Oz isn't perfect but as neither an Antipodean nor a Pom and having been in both I prefer Oz. That doesn't make the UK cr*p just Oz better (for me at least)

DPR

jaycee

>>Democratic Firsts First place in the world to have a secret >>ballot in elections
>>(1856) First Place in the world to give women the vote. (1894)

Actually I think NZ was first on 18th Sept 1893. Thats what i've read anyway

Jaycee

pommie bastard

Here we go,Lets play Aussie baiting as opposed to Pommy batting.
Charles Babbage (1791 - 1879) invented the Difference Engine, the first information processor and the precursor to the computer, thus launching a whole way of life.
John Logie Baird (1888 - 1946) is immortalised for his invention of Television (1926) but also worked on early developments in radar and fibre optics (1924/5).
James Dyson (1947 - fl. 2000) is another inventor in the grand British tradition. He started out his successful run with the Sea Truck amphibious vehicle (1970), the ball-barrow (1974), the Trolleyball boat trolley(1978), the Wheelboat (1983) and finally, resulting from a project begun in 1983 in the ballbarrow factory, the cyclone vacuum cleaner which bears his name (1993).
The first sewing machine was patented by Thomas Saint in 1790, long after the knitting machine, invented by William Lee in 1589; in 1810 Peter Durand patented the food canning process
Isambard Kingdom Brunel (1806 - 1859) is best remembered for the SS. Great Britain, the first propellor driven oceangoing steamship (1845), (using the screw propellor invented by another Briton, Robert Wilson, in 1827) but he also designed and built the first transatlantic passenger steamship the SS. Great Western (1838), named in honour of the Great Western Railway (which he also built between 1835 & 1841), the Clifton suspension bridge, countless tunnels, bridges, even harbours, and the first transatlantic telegraph cable was laid by the Great Eastern (launched in 1858).
Alexander Graham Bell (1847 - 1922) patented both Telegraphy (1875) and the Telephone (1876), opening up modern telecommunicationsThe great British inventors and engineers of the period of the Industrial revolution and the years following had a lasting impact on the lives of everyone in "civilised world." Michael Faraday (1791 - 1867) invented both the electrical generator and the electric motor, thus influencing all kinds of things we now take for granted - without electricity, where WOULD we be?
In the field of transport, British engineers were unequalled : James Watt (1736 - 1819) & Richard Trevithick (1771 - 1833) both invented new steam engines and improved on older designs to improve safety - early steam engines, such as those pioneered by Thomas Newcomen (1663-1729), had a nasty habit of exploding unexpectedly - paving the way for George Stephenson (1781 - 1848), who invented the first successful passenger-carrying locomotive engine, "The Rocket" in 1829 after his earlier success with "Locomotion No. 1," and together with his son Robert designed and built the world's first railway bridge over the Menai Strait in 1846-51.
Thomas Telford (1757 - 1834) was a prominent and gifted engineer who was responsible for the building of over a thousand miles of roads, major bridges including the forerunner of the modern suspension bridge, over the Menai Straits to link the island of Anglesey to mainland Wales (1819-24), and the world's first iron arch bridge over the Spey in Banffshire, Scotland, in 1813.
John Smeaton (1724 - 1790) - hydraulic cement and the Eddystone lighthouse 1756
Humphry Davy (1778 - 1829) - miner's safety lamp 1815
Robert William Thomson (1822-1873) - pneumatic tyres 1845, spring-interior mattress 1873
Joseph Adamson - flush toilet 1853
Hubert Cecil Booth (1871-1955) - first working vacuum cleaner patented 1901
Alexander Fleming - penicillin 1928
Percy Shaw - cats-eyes 1934
Robert Watson-Watt (1892 - 1973) - perfected RADAR 1935-40
Dennis Gabon - holography 1947
Sir Christopher Cockerell (1910 - 1999) - hovercraft 1959
Eric Laithwite (1921-1997) - linear induction motor - early 1960s
Trevor Baylis (fl 2000) - clockwork radio 1995 and the clockwork torch (flashlight)

There are many, many more British inventions and discoveries which I have not recorded above. The list is almost endless. According to Japanese research figures, of all the patents granted throughout the world for new inventions in the last 50 years, 40% have been to inventors from the British Isles alone, and the trend continues.









:lecture: :lecture: :lecture:

Johnny Boy

    > >>Democratic Firsts First place in the world to have a secret >>ballot in elections
    > >>(1856) First Place in the world to give women the vote. (1894)
    > Actually I think NZ was first on 18th Sept 1893. Thats what i've read anyway

That's right, NZ women got the vote a year before the Australians.

You've got to watch these Aussies claiming Kiwi achievements as their own! They'll
tell you Phar Lap was an Aussie horse, pavlova, an Aussie dessert, and Crowded House,
Dragon, Holly Vallance, Russell Crowe, Fred Hollows, Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen and
Derryn Hinch will be claimed as Ockers as well! THEY"RE ALL KIWIS! (Well - born in NZ
anyway). Cheers, John

Aussie Scot

Another typical pommie bastard, cannot understand why scots and welsh dislike the
english. Well its simple your typical pommie cannot understand the difference between
England and Britain.

Don't claim none pommie inventors to be pommie, lots of us take that as a
deep insult.

pommie bastard wrote:

    > Here we go,Lets play Aussie baiting as opposed to Pommy batting. Charles Babbage
    > (1791 - 1879) invented the Difference Engine, the first information processor and
    > the precursor to the computer, thus launching a whole way of life. John Logie Baird
    > (1888 - 1946) is immortalised for his invention of Television (1926) but also
    > worked on early developments in radar and fibre optics (1924/5). James Dyson (1947
    > - fl. 2000) is another inventor in the grand British tradition. He started out his
    > successful run with the Sea Truck amphibious vehicle (1970), the ball-barrow
    > (1974), the Trolleyball boat trolley(1978), the Wheelboat (1983) and finally,
    > resulting from a project begun in 1983 in the ballbarrow factory, the cyclone
    > vacuum cleaner which bears his name (1993). The first sewing machine was patented
    > by Thomas Saint in 1790, long after the knitting machine, invented by William Lee
    > in 1589; in 1810 Peter Durand patented the food canning process Isambard Kingdom
    > Brunel (1806 - 1859) is best remembered for the SS. Great Britain, the first
    > propellor driven oceangoing steamship (1845), (using the screw propellor invented
    > by another Briton, Robert Wilson, in
    > 1827) but he also designed and built the first transatlantic passenger steamship
    > the SS. Great Western (1838), named in honour of the Great Western Railway
    > (which he also built between 1835 & 1841), the Clifton suspension bridge,
    > countless tunnels, bridges, even harbours, and the first transatlantic
    > telegraph cable was laid by the Great Eastern (launched in 1858). Alexander
    > Graham Bell (1847 - 1922) patented both Telegraphy (1875) and the Telephone
    > (1876), opening up modern telecommunicationsThe great British inventors and
    > engineers of the period of the Industrial revolution and the years following
    > had a lasting impact on the lives of everyone in "civilised world." Michael
    > Faraday (1791 - 1867) invented both the electrical generator and the electric
    > motor, thus influencing all kinds of things we now take for granted - without
    > electricity, where WOULD we be? In the field of transport, British engineers
    > were unequalled : James Watt (1736 - 1819) & Richard Trevithick (1771 - 1833)
    > both invented new steam engines and improved on older designs to improve
    > safety - early steam engines, such as those pioneered by Thomas Newcomen
    > (1663-1729), had a nasty habit of exploding unexpectedly - paving the way for
    > George Stephenson (1781 - 1848), who invented the first successful
    > passenger-carrying locomotive engine, "The Rocket" in 1829 after his earlier
    > success with "Locomotion No. 1," and together with his son Robert designed
    > and built the world's first railway bridge over the Menai Strait in 1846-51.
    > Thomas Telford (1757 - 1834) was a prominent and gifted engineer who was
    > responsible for the building of over a thousand miles of roads, major bridges
    > including the forerunner of the modern suspension bridge, over the Menai
    > Straits to link the island of Anglesey to mainland Wales (1819-24), and the
    > world's first iron arch bridge over the Spey in Banffshire, Scotland, in
    > 1813. John Smeaton (1724 - 1790) - hydraulic cement and the Eddystone
    > lighthouse 1756 Humphry Davy (1778 - 1829) - miner's safety lamp 1815 Robert
    > William Thomson (1822-1873) - pneumatic tyres 1845, spring-interior mattress
    > 1873 Joseph Adamson - flush toilet 1853 Hubert Cecil Booth (1871-1955) -
    > first working vacuum cleaner patented 1901 Alexander Fleming - penicillin
    > 1928 Percy Shaw - cats-eyes 1934 Robert Watson-Watt (1892 - 1973) - perfected
    > RADAR 1935-40 Dennis Gabon - holography 1947 Sir Christopher Cockerell (1910
    > - 1999) - hovercraft 1959 Eric Laithwite (1921-1997) - linear induction motor
    > - early 1960s Trevor Baylis (fl 2000) - clockwork radio 1995 and the
    > clockwork torch (flashlight)
    > There are many, many more British inventions and discoveries which I have not
    > recorded above. The list is almost endless. According to Japanese research figures,
    > of all the patents granted throughout the world for new inventions in the last 50
    > years, 40% have been to inventors from the British Isles alone, and the trend
    > continues.
    > :lecture: :lecture: :lecture:
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

sophia

Hi guys

Firstly, apologies in advance to those of you trying to make some sense of this thread, but lets face it.....THIS IS A REALLY CRAP ARGUEMENT!!!

It's not even an intelligent discussion....I have to say I'm disappointed at this forum it is really going downhill lately.

I think that if pommie bastard is sooo unhappy in Australia he should leave and let someone else take his place who is happy to give it a go....and no, that doesn't mean I'm living in fantasyland, I just have a different perspective on life than you have....umm and probably a much better attitude (unless of course you only have this personality disorder when you use a PC?)

love sophia xx

Jason Brown

Thats cause England sent all the criminals (IQ 0) packing to Australia while
retaining the best....

So how can the Ozzies invent anything...

Some things Ozzies invented/discovered...

a. sledging is cricket (pioneer being Dennis Lillee, perfected by Steve Waugh)
b. a new stupid accent to the beautiful British accent (sounds unpleasant actually)
c. IQ zero

Thats all. If there were more, I would be astonished... really..

pommie bastard

Yes you are right , I myself do regret stealing that loaf of bread hanging would have been better than transportation,getting new ball and chain soon only had 300 lashes so far there are people who would pay for this.

Tatiana

I even heard than Pavlova was a famous Aussie ballerina, it was really funny!

Back to the point: Australia is a nice country (not "great" or whatever, but nice, I think it can be compared with some other countries like beauty of a peasant girl can be compared to beauty of a celebrity - very polished and very much "made up"). It can give you a comfortable life in virtually every aspect, but nothing "great". And a lot of people love it.
But some do not like Aus, and do not really understand why, and feel that it's wrong - this country is nice, why not to like it? So they start to drug in all sorts of crap to explain (first of all to themselves) why they do not like Aus.

I think countries are like people and migrating is a bit like marriage - the person may be very nice but not for you. The same with countries - it simply did not "klick". Unfortunately, unlike real marriage one has to be "married" to some country, so the "divorse" from a country technically often more difficult than the real divorce.

P.S. BTW I can give you 1 example what is wrond in Aus: the Christmas and New year in summer. It it's fundamentally WRONG! Of course, we new about it before, and thought it would be fun, but after a couple of years it took on us. We missed all the feelings familiar from the childhood: the smell of Christmas Tree and cold air together immediately bring up those childhood memories of expectaion of a miracle - remember? Here it's just not the same, and will never be.

pommie bastard

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aussie Scot:
Another typical pommie bastard, cannot understand why scots and welsh dislike the
english. Well its simple your typical pommie cannot understand the difference between
England and Britain.

Don't claim none pommie inventors to be pommie, lots of us take that as a
deep insult.


Yes I can sorry ,did you say you are Aussie or Scot I take it you dont know who you are.Great Britain is an Island of which Scotland is a part of .There are even mixed marrages of which mine is one wife is a Scot and god forgive we are both left footers.Dont tell me you have two chips on your shoulders now one Scottish one Aussie never mind gives you something to live for.

Robert Edwards

I understand what you say about Christmas and especially being in summer and it being
foreign to you but that's what happens when you go to a another hemisphere I guess,
it would be completely foreign to us (aussies) to have snow at Christmas (in
Australia anyway), as for the Pavlova being form NZ or Australia, I think you are
right in that both countries tend to claim it as their own, but really they are
probably variations, where did the original recipe come from? I do not know or care
really...regards

Rob


"Tatiana" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Back to the point: >
    > P.S. BTW I can give you 1 example what is wrond in Aus: the Christmas and New year
    > in summer. It it's fundamentally WRONG! Of course, we new about it before, and
    > thought it would be fun, but after a couple of years it took on us. We missed
    > all the feelings familiar from the childhood: the smell of Christmas Tree and
    > cold air together immediately bring up those childhood memories of expectaion
    > of a miracle - remember? Here it's just not the same, and will never be.
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Misterbean

MMMmm We'll take the Horse if he can still run a race Same for 'Sir' Fred Hollows -
what a 'race' he ran! Not fussy about Pavlova - or sure your correct. Don't think the
Lady ever got to NZ. Actually amazed she ever got to Aust! The rest you can have
back.. As for Sir Jo and Derryn - the offer is not negotiable - You MUST take them

pleease!!