Trade skills assessment pathway removed for those without qualifications
#211
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Re: Trade skills assessment pathway removed for those without qualifications
Hi everyone, been lurking on this site for a while now so thought it about time to register I had my TRA application sent off towards the end of september and am now like many others awaiting the results I compiled my TRA application during August and was going to use pathway D but then as you all know that went out the window so I re did it under pathways B + C .I'm a Printer working for the Daily telegraph, I've worked for them since I was 21 (now 33) I did a 7 year informal apprenticeship which included a 3 year city and Guilds NVQ course which covered about 1500 hours of vocational training. I have sent off my Certificates and letters from my employers confirming the training I did and now quietly sitting here bricking it Will let you all know the outcome
Well it the reply came back today http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=488824
#212
Re: Trade skills assessment pathway removed for those without qualifications
Sampson,
What evidence did you provide of your 900 hours of formal training as part of your informal apprenticeship?
Was it a stat dec from yourself, a reference letter from the employer or something else?
Cheers
Reuven
What evidence did you provide of your 900 hours of formal training as part of your informal apprenticeship?
Was it a stat dec from yourself, a reference letter from the employer or something else?
Cheers
Reuven
#213
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Re: Trade skills assessment pathway removed for those without qualifications
HTH
#214
Re: Trade skills assessment pathway removed for those without qualifications
i ask this as i have the reference from the employer stating that it was just that and informal 5 yrs apprenticeship after serving this time being trade recognised as a time served wall and floor tiler?!! but as it was 18 yrs ago they didn't have the collages or governing bodies that the do now?
ANYBODY ?!!!
#215
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Re: Trade skills assessment pathway removed for those without qualifications
i too would be interested if anyone has recently passed WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE to certify the completion of an informal apprenticship with formal on the job training!??????
i ask this as i have the reference from the employer stating that it was just that and informal 5 yrs apprenticeship after serving this time being trade recognised as a time served wall and floor tiler?!! but as it was 18 yrs ago they didn't have the collages or governing bodies that the do now?
ANYBODY ?!!!
i ask this as i have the reference from the employer stating that it was just that and informal 5 yrs apprenticeship after serving this time being trade recognised as a time served wall and floor tiler?!! but as it was 18 yrs ago they didn't have the collages or governing bodies that the do now?
ANYBODY ?!!!
We have just failed the TRA, OH didn't have any certificates from when he was trained with BT, so we put all his training on a stat dec, when he trained 23 years ago there wasn't a qualification either as such but he obtained a license to work on the BT network (he is a phone engineer) He had been doing the job since then and has over 30 certificates of accreditation since he moved on to contracting 14 years ago, we also had 6 pages describing his BT training in detail. We failed because we had no evidence of training :curse:
It came back within 3 weeks and it feels like they didn't even look at it!
#216
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Re: Trade skills assessment pathway removed for those without qualifications
I encourage those who are looking at Skill Pathway B (Informal Apprenticeship) to look into obtaining a NVQ Level 2 qualification. We have confirmation that TRA accepts NVQ Level 2 quals as equivalent to 900 hours of formal training.
In other words an informal apprenticeship plus an NVQ Level 2 plus 5 years work experience should secure a positive classification from TRA.
For further details (including any questions as to what constitutes an informal apprenticeship) send an email to my colleague Stephen Dickson: stephen - at - gomatilda - dot - com , or telephone Stephen on Melbourne number +61 3 9935 2929.
Best regards.
In other words an informal apprenticeship plus an NVQ Level 2 plus 5 years work experience should secure a positive classification from TRA.
For further details (including any questions as to what constitutes an informal apprenticeship) send an email to my colleague Stephen Dickson: stephen - at - gomatilda - dot - com , or telephone Stephen on Melbourne number +61 3 9935 2929.
Best regards.
#217
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Re: Trade skills assessment pathway removed for those without qualifications
Hi Alan
out of interest does the 5 years experience have to be post qualification OR can it include experience gained whilst doing the apprenticeship?
thanks
Ben
out of interest does the 5 years experience have to be post qualification OR can it include experience gained whilst doing the apprenticeship?
thanks
Ben
#218
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Re: Trade skills assessment pathway removed for those without qualifications
Hello Ben.
Have a chat with Stephen, or exchange an email with him.
Best regards.
Have a chat with Stephen, or exchange an email with him.
Best regards.
#219
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Re: Trade skills assessment pathway removed for those without qualifications
I encourage those who are looking at Skill Pathway B (Informal Apprenticeship) to look into obtaining a NVQ Level 2 qualification. We have confirmation that TRA accepts NVQ Level 2 quals as equivalent to 900 hours of formal training.
In other words an informal apprenticeship plus an NVQ Level 2 plus 5 years work experience should secure a positive classification from TRA.
For further details (including any questions as to what constitutes an informal apprenticeship) send an email to my colleague Stephen Dickson: stephen - at - gomatilda - dot - com , or telephone Stephen on Melbourne number +61 3 9935 2929.
Best regards.
In other words an informal apprenticeship plus an NVQ Level 2 plus 5 years work experience should secure a positive classification from TRA.
For further details (including any questions as to what constitutes an informal apprenticeship) send an email to my colleague Stephen Dickson: stephen - at - gomatilda - dot - com , or telephone Stephen on Melbourne number +61 3 9935 2929.
Best regards.
ive got an nvq but got it years after i finished my informal apprenticeship does this matter
cheers
#220
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Re: Trade skills assessment pathway removed for those without qualifications
Not sure - I can't give an opinion without knowing the full context.
Have a conversation or email exchange with my colleague Stephen Dickson or another migration agent who is up to speed with this issue.
Best regards.
Have a conversation or email exchange with my colleague Stephen Dickson or another migration agent who is up to speed with this issue.
Best regards.
#221
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Joined: Oct 2007
Location: Spain but from Uk
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Re: Trade skills assessment pathway removed for those without qualifications
In an unexpected announcement affecting skilled migration to Australia, the body that assesses the competencies of most trade skills occupations (Trades Recognition Australia) has announced the removal of the assessment pathway for those who do not have qualifications.
http://www.gomatilda.com/news/article.cfm?articleid=424
Best regards.
http://www.gomatilda.com/news/article.cfm?articleid=424
Best regards.
Tracie
#222
Re: Trade skills assessment pathway removed for those without qualifications
What's changed is the way that trade skills are assessed. This happened on 4 September. Does your husband have any sort of formal training in his trade? You will probably need to look at the TRA Uniform Assessment Criteria (UAC) and then, unless he's obviously acceptable with a four year apprenticeship, you may need to talk to an agent.
Cheers,
George Lombard
#223
Re: Trade skills assessment pathway removed for those without qualifications
Hi Tracie,
What's changed is the way that trade skills are assessed. This happened on 4 September. Does your husband have any sort of formal training in his trade? You will probably need to look at the TRA Uniform Assessment Criteria (UAC) and then, unless he's obviously acceptable with a four year apprenticeship, you may need to talk to an agent.
Cheers,
George Lombard
What's changed is the way that trade skills are assessed. This happened on 4 September. Does your husband have any sort of formal training in his trade? You will probably need to look at the TRA Uniform Assessment Criteria (UAC) and then, unless he's obviously acceptable with a four year apprenticeship, you may need to talk to an agent.
Cheers,
George Lombard
What do you mean by 'obviously acceptable with a 4 year apprenticeship'? Doesn't pathway A on the UAC also require 900 hours of formal training?
Thanks
Reuven
#224
Re: Trade skills assessment pathway removed for those without qualifications
Obviously acceptable with respect to the UAC, of course. A formal apprenticeship as defined by TRA includes formal training, yes.
Cheers,
George Lombard
#225
*Tracie*
Joined: Oct 2007
Location: Spain but from Uk
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Re: Trade skills assessment pathway removed for those without qualifications
Thanks for your reply. my husband did his training with my brother in law who had his own tiling business 14 years ago. There were no college courses back then. He has had his own business for the last 8 years in tiling until we moved to Spain. Does this count. What is the TRA and UAC, where do i find info
Thanks Tracie