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Old Oct 22nd 2007, 2:17 pm
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Hi everyone, been lurking on this site for a while now so thought it about time to register I had my TRA application sent off towards the end of september and am now like many others awaiting the results I compiled my TRA application during August and was going to use pathway D but then as you all know that went out the window so I re did it under pathways B + C .I'm a Printer working for the Daily telegraph, I've worked for them since I was 21 (now 33) I did a 7 year informal apprenticeship which included a 3 year city and Guilds NVQ course which covered about 1500 hours of vocational training. I have sent off my Certificates and letters from my employers confirming the training I did and now quietly sitting here bricking it Will let you all know the outcome

Well it the reply came back today http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=488824
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Old Oct 23rd 2007, 6:20 am
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Sampson,

What evidence did you provide of your 900 hours of formal training as part of your informal apprenticeship?

Was it a stat dec from yourself, a reference letter from the employer or something else?

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Old Oct 23rd 2007, 11:01 am
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Sampson,

What evidence did you provide of your 900 hours of formal training as part of your informal apprenticeship?

Was it a stat dec from yourself, a reference letter from the employer or something else?

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The company I work for is a registered City and Guilds training center so effectively a college within the work place. I got the head city and guilds Veryifier at my company to write a letter confirming my training.
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Old Oct 25th 2007, 2:39 pm
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Sampson,

What evidence did you provide of your 900 hours of formal training as part of your informal apprenticeship?

Was it a stat dec from yourself, a reference letter from the employer or something else?

Cheers

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i too would be interested if anyone has recently passed WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE to certify the completion of an informal apprenticship with formal on the job training!??????

i ask this as i have the reference from the employer stating that it was just that and informal 5 yrs apprenticeship after serving this time being trade recognised as a time served wall and floor tiler?!! but as it was 18 yrs ago they didn't have the collages or governing bodies that the do now?
ANYBODY ?!!!
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Originally Posted by sam mick kurt
i too would be interested if anyone has recently passed WITHOUT A CERTIFICATE to certify the completion of an informal apprenticship with formal on the job training!??????

i ask this as i have the reference from the employer stating that it was just that and informal 5 yrs apprenticeship after serving this time being trade recognised as a time served wall and floor tiler?!! but as it was 18 yrs ago they didn't have the collages or governing bodies that the do now?
ANYBODY ?!!!
Sorry I can't really answer your question,
We have just failed the TRA, OH didn't have any certificates from when he was trained with BT, so we put all his training on a stat dec, when he trained 23 years ago there wasn't a qualification either as such but he obtained a license to work on the BT network (he is a phone engineer) He had been doing the job since then and has over 30 certificates of accreditation since he moved on to contracting 14 years ago, we also had 6 pages describing his BT training in detail. We failed because we had no evidence of training :curse:
It came back within 3 weeks and it feels like they didn't even look at it!
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Old Oct 26th 2007, 12:37 am
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I encourage those who are looking at Skill Pathway B (Informal Apprenticeship) to look into obtaining a NVQ Level 2 qualification. We have confirmation that TRA accepts NVQ Level 2 quals as equivalent to 900 hours of formal training.

In other words an informal apprenticeship plus an NVQ Level 2 plus 5 years work experience should secure a positive classification from TRA.

For further details (including any questions as to what constitutes an informal apprenticeship) send an email to my colleague Stephen Dickson: stephen - at - gomatilda - dot - com , or telephone Stephen on Melbourne number +61 3 9935 2929.

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Hi Alan
out of interest does the 5 years experience have to be post qualification OR can it include experience gained whilst doing the apprenticeship?
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Old Oct 27th 2007, 5:10 am
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Hello Ben.

Have a chat with Stephen, or exchange an email with him.

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Old Oct 27th 2007, 8:27 am
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Originally Posted by Alan Collett
I encourage those who are looking at Skill Pathway B (Informal Apprenticeship) to look into obtaining a NVQ Level 2 qualification. We have confirmation that TRA accepts NVQ Level 2 quals as equivalent to 900 hours of formal training.

In other words an informal apprenticeship plus an NVQ Level 2 plus 5 years work experience should secure a positive classification from TRA.

For further details (including any questions as to what constitutes an informal apprenticeship) send an email to my colleague Stephen Dickson: stephen - at - gomatilda - dot - com , or telephone Stephen on Melbourne number +61 3 9935 2929.

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hi alan
ive got an nvq but got it years after i finished my informal apprenticeship does this matter

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Old Oct 27th 2007, 8:30 am
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Not sure - I can't give an opinion without knowing the full context.

Have a conversation or email exchange with my colleague Stephen Dickson or another migration agent who is up to speed with this issue.

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Old Oct 29th 2007, 5:13 pm
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In an unexpected announcement affecting skilled migration to Australia, the body that assesses the competencies of most trade skills occupations (Trades Recognition Australia) has announced the removal of the assessment pathway for those who do not have qualifications.
http://www.gomatilda.com/news/article.cfm?articleid=424

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Hi there my husband wa going to apply with his tradeskills which is needed more so in Queesland and also comes under the gov skilled listing. is this still the case or has that been removed
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Old Oct 29th 2007, 6:53 pm
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Hi there my husband wa going to apply with his tradeskills which is needed more so in Queesland and also comes under the gov skilled listing. is this still the case or has that been removed
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Hi Tracie,

What's changed is the way that trade skills are assessed. This happened on 4 September. Does your husband have any sort of formal training in his trade? You will probably need to look at the TRA Uniform Assessment Criteria (UAC) and then, unless he's obviously acceptable with a four year apprenticeship, you may need to talk to an agent.

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Hi Tracie,

What's changed is the way that trade skills are assessed. This happened on 4 September. Does your husband have any sort of formal training in his trade? You will probably need to look at the TRA Uniform Assessment Criteria (UAC) and then, unless he's obviously acceptable with a four year apprenticeship, you may need to talk to an agent.

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George,

What do you mean by 'obviously acceptable with a 4 year apprenticeship'? Doesn't pathway A on the UAC also require 900 hours of formal training?

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Old Oct 30th 2007, 8:05 am
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George,

What do you mean by 'obviously acceptable with a 4 year apprenticeship'? Doesn't pathway A on the UAC also require 900 hours of formal training?

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Hi Reuven,

Obviously acceptable with respect to the UAC, of course. A formal apprenticeship as defined by TRA includes formal training, yes.

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Hi Reuven,

Obviously acceptable with respect to the UAC, of course. A formal apprenticeship as defined by TRA includes formal training, yes.

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Hi George
Thanks for your reply. my husband did his training with my brother in law who had his own tiling business 14 years ago. There were no college courses back then. He has had his own business for the last 8 years in tiling until we moved to Spain. Does this count. What is the TRA and UAC, where do i find info

Thanks Tracie
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