Bermudashorts

Also not sure what you mean, but the thing with a RRV is it can only take you so far. You could get one 5 year RRV, but you will not be able to keep on getting them if you are not living in Australia. Also the rules around a RRV can change at any time, they have changed and become a little harder since I first started with the Australia thing six years ago.

Also, I assume your current visa expires (the travel part) long before May 2019, so is there any particular significance to this date.

As to your final question, well I don't understand what you mea about no trips out. Australia does not hold people prisoners and forbid them to leave the country.

shackybracky

Our current five year pr visa will end on November 16th 2017 but only because we took a trip out of the country. Had we not have taken the trip my understanding is we could have stayed here permanently on the one visa? But because we had the trip doesn't our current visa run out in November 2017 even if we decided to stay here permenantly? In which case we'd need to become citizens before it runs out?

Bermudashorts

Did you move almost as soon as it was granted then? Because you said you moved in November 2012?

The PR visas will last indefinitely if you remain in Australia. But they only give you the right to pass through border control for five years.

slackbloke

Err no. You don't have a 5 year PR visa. You have a PR visa. It doesn't change because you leave and re-enter the country. There is however a 5 year restriction from the issue of the visa to enter Australia. After that time you need an RRV to enter. Check your visa label or VEVO for entry restrictions; it's not determined by when your first entered Australia but when your visa was issued. You can currently stay as long as you like. If however you leave after May 2017 you will need an RRV to get back in (I say May 2017 because I think you visa was issued in May 2012?).

shackybracky

I think the visa was granted in March 2012 but we didn't move until November 2012. I'm pretty sure the visa end date (travel part) is November 2017.

Bermudashorts

No it is five years from grant. Definitely.


But to be honest, none of this RRV talk is ultimately going to help you in the situation you are in. There is only one way to ensure you retain the right to live in Australia and that is citizenship. You are taking a huge gamble and risk fracturing your family without it. You must persist in this for the good of your family. They will thank you one day!

Pollyana

It'll be based on the grant date, because when DIBP grant it they have no way of knowing when you will move. Your visa letter (and label if you have one) will say soemthing like VALID FOR MULTIPLE ENTRIES, MUST NOT ENTER AFTER XX/XX/20XX

shackybracky

You're both correct. The visa was actually granted on May 1st 2012 and visa cease date is May 1st 2017.

Thanks for your help.

msmyrtle

Yes I agree.

While the High Commission in London does process citizenship applications, I would guess the majority of those would be citizenship through descent or possibly for those married to an Australian spouse (and could apply for Ministerial discretion). I looked into applying from overseas for myself, but the requirement to prove continuing ties to Australia did not make it worth it.

BritInParis

Citizenship ceremonies are held twice a year. Probably no more than 20 to 30 conferees.

shackybracky

Would having a child with Australian citizenship by birth be enough to show continuing ties to Australia if we applied for citizenship outside of Australia?

msmyrtle

I'm not sure, I am doubtful but stranger things have happened.

Pollyana

Likewise I'm doubtful, but I guess they'd only know if they tried applying.

Bermudashorts

I would think little to no chance. Are you prepared to risk it? What if you leave, apply and then six months later you find out that you cannot get citizenship this way? You would either have to face the upheaval of coming back or are in the situation described earlier on the thread - family members with different citizenship and a fractured family.

I really think that you (or rather your wife) needs to face up to the reality that there is only one sensible thing to do and that is to give this another 18 more months. It is nothing in a lifetime.

BritInParis

No. Living with an Australian spouse, possibly. Much better to wait and get your citizenship before you leave.