Bhaskar

from april 2004 only registered consultants can work with cic and
since a huge number of applicants are filed by foreign agents in
different countries who
according to Mr Miller in some previous post would not be able to
operate,
will there be a dip in the number of applications filed after april
2004.

Andrew Miller

I don't think so.

Number of applicants won't drop at all just because number of registered
representatives will be several times lower than current number of those in
business.

Applicants will have to be more picky from April and make sure that they
hire only immigration practitioners who can represent them. Many uninformed
applicants will learn it hard way after they already pay fees to
un-registered "practitioners" and get their applications back. CIC declared
that they will be sending applications back directly to applicants to
prevent situations where unscrupulous "representatives" may claim for years
that application was submitted and is in process. CIC also promised huge
informational campaign through visa posts about new rules regulating
consultants. There will be probably a large number of applicants who will
never contact visa posts before applying and are will be getting information
only from unscrupulous "representatives". But I think that once those
applications get returned then word of mouth will do the rest - in today's
world information spreads rather quickly.

Also note that foreign based consultants who are Canadian citizens or
permanent residents and who meet all requirements to be registered with and
will become members of CSIC will be able to continue submitting applications
on behalf of their clients. It is only those consultants who won't qualify
(non-Canadians) to apply for CSIC membership in the first place or won't
meet all other criteria to become members will not be able to represent
clients as of April and all applications submitted by such unqualified
consultants will be returned by CIC.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Bhaskar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > from april 2004 only registered consultants can work with cic and
    > since a huge number of applicants are filed by foreign agents in
    > different countries who
    > according to Mr Miller in some previous post would not be able to
    > operate,
    > will there be a dip in the number of applications filed after april
    > 2004.

Andrew Miller

P.S.

Once regulation of consultants is implemented everybody interested in hiring
an expert will be able to visit CSIC website and check if consultant is a
registered member. Also all who claim to be registered must provide their
CSIC ID number in their contracts, all materials, letterheads and business
cards as well as information how to contact CSIC in their contracts. CSIC
website is here:

http://www.csic-scci.ca/

Note that for first 2 years of registration there will be only transitional
members of CSIC - nobody will be a full member until meeting all additional
requirements that will be defined and implemented later by CSIC. For now all
consultants who register with CSIC, meet all eligibility requirements and
pass knowledge test will be transitional members. So, please don't look for
"full members" as there will be none for next 2 years. If by any chance CSIC
defines all those additional requirements sooner and will give transitional
members the opportunity to reach them earlier than by 2006 then you will see
such information on CSIC website at that time. But as long as consultant is
a registered member (transitional for now and later transitional or full) of
CSIC and his standing with CSIC is good then CIC will work with all such
members in good standing, regardless if they are transitional or full
members.

I just wanted to give the above information to all interested in order to
prevent eventual confusions and "hunt" for full members when none will be
available for next 2 years.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:x4B0c.39722$A12.11583@edtnps84...
    > I don't think so.
    > Number of applicants won't drop at all just because number of registered
    > representatives will be several times lower than current number of those
in
    > business.
    > Applicants will have to be more picky from April and make sure that they
    > hire only immigration practitioners who can represent them. Many
uninformed
    > applicants will learn it hard way after they already pay fees to
    > un-registered "practitioners" and get their applications back. CIC
declared
    > that they will be sending applications back directly to applicants to
    > prevent situations where unscrupulous "representatives" may claim for
years
    > that application was submitted and is in process. CIC also promised huge
    > informational campaign through visa posts about new rules regulating
    > consultants. There will be probably a large number of applicants who will
    > never contact visa posts before applying and are will be getting
information
    > only from unscrupulous "representatives". But I think that once those
    > applications get returned then word of mouth will do the rest - in today's
    > world information spreads rather quickly.
    > Also note that foreign based consultants who are Canadian citizens or
    > permanent residents and who meet all requirements to be registered with
and
    > will become members of CSIC will be able to continue submitting
applications
    > on behalf of their clients. It is only those consultants who won't qualify
    > (non-Canadians) to apply for CSIC membership in the first place or won't
    > meet all other criteria to become members will not be able to represent
    > clients as of April and all applications submitted by such unqualified
    > consultants will be returned by CIC.
    > --
    > ../..
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    > "Bhaskar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > from april 2004 only registered consultants can work with cic and
    > > since a huge number of applicants are filed by foreign agents in
    > > different countries who
    > > according to Mr Miller in some previous post would not be able to
    > > operate,
    > > will there be a dip in the number of applications filed after april
    > > 2004.

Master Jedi Koji Kabuto

Sir,

What would happen in this scenario?

An agent represents you (files your appplication for you) before this
new rules and regulations governing consultants come into effect. For
example they filed it Aug 2003. Processing post accepts it. Then
regulations get implemented. I believe April 2004. Said agent fails
to become member of CSIC after regulations come into effect.

Question:

Will said agent still be able to represent you in your application?

If yes, for how much longer?

If no, what will happen? Can applicant ask processing post to
continue processing application, disregard consultant, and communicate
directly with applicant?

Thank you,



"Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<FuB0c.39980$A12.34249@edtnps84>...
    > P.S.
    >
    > Once regulation of consultants is implemented everybody interested in hiring
    > an expert will be able to visit CSIC website and check if consultant is a
    > registered member. Also all who claim to be registered must provide their
    > CSIC ID number in their contracts, all materials, letterheads and business
    > cards as well as information how to contact CSIC in their contracts. CSIC
    > website is here:
    >
    > http://www.csic-scci.ca/
    >
    > Note that for first 2 years of registration there will be only transitional
    > members of CSIC - nobody will be a full member until meeting all additional
    > requirements that will be defined and implemented later by CSIC. For now all
    > consultants who register with CSIC, meet all eligibility requirements and
    > pass knowledge test will be transitional members. So, please don't look for
    > "full members" as there will be none for next 2 years. If by any chance CSIC
    > defines all those additional requirements sooner and will give transitional
    > members the opportunity to reach them earlier than by 2006 then you will see
    > such information on CSIC website at that time. But as long as consultant is
    > a registered member (transitional for now and later transitional or full) of
    > CSIC and his standing with CSIC is good then CIC will work with all such
    > members in good standing, regardless if they are transitional or full
    > members.
    >
    > I just wanted to give the above information to all interested in order to
    > prevent eventual confusions and "hunt" for full members when none will be
    > available for next 2 years.
    >
    > --
    >
    > ../..
    >
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    >
    >
    > "Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:x4B0c.39722$A12.11583@edtnps84...
    > > I don't think so.
    > >
    > > Number of applicants won't drop at all just because number of registered
    > > representatives will be several times lower than current number of those
    > in
    > > business.
    > >
    > > Applicants will have to be more picky from April and make sure that they
    > > hire only immigration practitioners who can represent them. Many
    > uninformed
    > > applicants will learn it hard way after they already pay fees to
    > > un-registered "practitioners" and get their applications back. CIC
    > declared
    > > that they will be sending applications back directly to applicants to
    > > prevent situations where unscrupulous "representatives" may claim for
    > years
    > > that application was submitted and is in process. CIC also promised huge
    > > informational campaign through visa posts about new rules regulating
    > > consultants. There will be probably a large number of applicants who will
    > > never contact visa posts before applying and are will be getting
    > information
    > > only from unscrupulous "representatives". But I think that once those
    > > applications get returned then word of mouth will do the rest - in today's
    > > world information spreads rather quickly.
    > >
    > > Also note that foreign based consultants who are Canadian citizens or
    > > permanent residents and who meet all requirements to be registered with
    > and
    > > will become members of CSIC will be able to continue submitting
    > applications
    > > on behalf of their clients. It is only those consultants who won't qualify
    > > (non-Canadians) to apply for CSIC membership in the first place or won't
    > > meet all other criteria to become members will not be able to represent
    > > clients as of April and all applications submitted by such unqualified
    > > consultants will be returned by CIC.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "Bhaskar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > from april 2004 only registered consultants can work with cic and
    > > > since a huge number of applicants are filed by foreign agents in
    > > > different countries who
    > > > according to Mr Miller in some previous post would not be able to
    > > > operate,
    > > > will there be a dip in the number of applications filed after april
    > > > 2004.
    > >
    > >

Andrew Miller

CIC initially indicated that they will allow non-registered consultants to
continue representing their old clients for 4 years in cases filed before
April 2004, but last week we heard that period may be shortened to 2 or 3
years. So, if your case was filed by your representative in August 2004 then
he will be able to represent your case till at least April 2006 or even
2007. But we need to see final Regulations to know for sure.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Master Jedi Koji Kabuto" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Sir,
    > What would happen in this scenario?
    > An agent represents you (files your appplication for you) before this
    > new rules and regulations governing consultants come into effect. For
    > example they filed it Aug 2003. Processing post accepts it. Then
    > regulations get implemented. I believe April 2004. Said agent fails
    > to become member of CSIC after regulations come into effect.
    > Question:
    > Will said agent still be able to represent you in your application?
    > If yes, for how much longer?
    > If no, what will happen? Can applicant ask processing post to
    > continue processing application, disregard consultant, and communicate
    > directly with applicant?
    > Thank you,
    > "Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<FuB0c.39980$A12.34249@edtnps84>...
    > > P.S.
    > >
    > > Once regulation of consultants is implemented everybody interested in
hiring
    > > an expert will be able to visit CSIC website and check if consultant is
a
    > > registered member. Also all who claim to be registered must provide
their
    > > CSIC ID number in their contracts, all materials, letterheads and
business
    > > cards as well as information how to contact CSIC in their contracts.
CSIC
    > > website is here:
    > >
    > > http://www.csic-scci.ca/
    > >
    > > Note that for first 2 years of registration there will be only
transitional
    > > members of CSIC - nobody will be a full member until meeting all
additional
    > > requirements that will be defined and implemented later by CSIC. For now
all
    > > consultants who register with CSIC, meet all eligibility requirements
and
    > > pass knowledge test will be transitional members. So, please don't look
for
    > > "full members" as there will be none for next 2 years. If by any chance
CSIC
    > > defines all those additional requirements sooner and will give
transitional
    > > members the opportunity to reach them earlier than by 2006 then you will
see
    > > such information on CSIC website at that time. But as long as consultant
is
    > > a registered member (transitional for now and later transitional or
full) of
    > > CSIC and his standing with CSIC is good then CIC will work with all such
    > > members in good standing, regardless if they are transitional or full
    > > members.
    > >
    > > I just wanted to give the above information to all interested in order
to
    > > prevent eventual confusions and "hunt" for full members when none will
be
    > > available for next 2 years.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:x4B0c.39722$A12.11583@edtnps84...
    > > > I don't think so.
    > > >
    > > > Number of applicants won't drop at all just because number of
registered
    > > > representatives will be several times lower than current number of
those
    > > in
    > > > business.
    > > >
    > > > Applicants will have to be more picky from April and make sure that
they
    > > > hire only immigration practitioners who can represent them. Many
    > > uninformed
    > > > applicants will learn it hard way after they already pay fees to
    > > > un-registered "practitioners" and get their applications back. CIC
    > > declared
    > > > that they will be sending applications back directly to applicants to
    > > > prevent situations where unscrupulous "representatives" may claim for
    > > years
    > > > that application was submitted and is in process. CIC also promised
huge
    > > > informational campaign through visa posts about new rules regulating
    > > > consultants. There will be probably a large number of applicants who
will
    > > > never contact visa posts before applying and are will be getting
    > > information
    > > > only from unscrupulous "representatives". But I think that once those
    > > > applications get returned then word of mouth will do the rest - in
today's
    > > > world information spreads rather quickly.
    > > >
    > > > Also note that foreign based consultants who are Canadian citizens or
    > > > permanent residents and who meet all requirements to be registered
with
    > > and
    > > > will become members of CSIC will be able to continue submitting
    > > applications
    > > > on behalf of their clients. It is only those consultants who won't
qualify
    > > > (non-Canadians) to apply for CSIC membership in the first place or
won't
    > > > meet all other criteria to become members will not be able to
represent
    > > > clients as of April and all applications submitted by such unqualified
    > > > consultants will be returned by CIC.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > >
    > > > ../..
    > > >
    > > > Andrew Miller
    > > > Immigration Consultant
    > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > > email: [email protected]
    > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > > ________________________________
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "Bhaskar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > from april 2004 only registered consultants can work with cic and
    > > > > since a huge number of applicants are filed by foreign agents in
    > > > > different countries who
    > > > > according to Mr Miller in some previous post would not be able to
    > > > > operate,
    > > > > will there be a dip in the number of applications filed after april
    > > > > 2004.
    > > >
    > > >

Bhaskar

    > Also note that foreign based consultants who are Canadian citizens or
    > permanent residents and who meet all requirements to be registered with and
    > will become members of CSIC will be able to continue submitting applications
    > on behalf of their clients. It is only those consultants who won't qualify
    > (non-Canadians) to apply for CSIC membership in the first place or won't
    > meet all other criteria to become members will not be able to represent
    > clients as of April and all applications submitted by such unqualified
    > consultants will be returned by CIC.

What generally happens with foreign agents is that they do have a
canadian citizen whom applicants have to give the authorization (I
understand with new rules he/she has to get registered) but for all
practical purposes it is the foreign agent who prepares the paperwork
and give some amount of franchise money to the canadian citizen (in
other words he/she gets paid for just being a canadian citizen/pr
without having to do anything regarding processing of the applicant's
case) . But what actually happens is that these foreign agents are the
ones who dont do good job. So how is csic going to regulate that ?
Earlier there was something called opic but it wasnt doing a good job
in regulating.

Andrew Miller

Such "cooperation" or "franchising" won't be allowed. Only registered
consultant can advise, consult, represent, assess and prepare case. Agents
can only direct clients to registered consultants. Employees of registered
consultants will be able to assist such consultants with paper work, but
only under consultant's supervision. If CSIC finds any instances of
"franchising", or other "cooperation" like you just described it will be
consultant who will be suspended and may be out of business.

OPIC and other organizations are only professional associations of people in
the immigration business, nothing more. They were never regulating anything
and didn't have any power to provide any sort of certification of
qualifications.

CSIC on the other hand has been established by the government as a
regulating body.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________



"Bhaskar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

    > What generally happens with foreign agents is that they do have a
    > canadian citizen whom applicants have to give the authorization (I
    > understand with new rules he/she has to get registered) but for all
    > practical purposes it is the foreign agent who prepares the paperwork
    > and give some amount of franchise money to the canadian citizen (in
    > other words he/she gets paid for just being a canadian citizen/pr
    > without having to do anything regarding processing of the applicant's
    > case) . But what actually happens is that these foreign agents are the
    > ones who dont do good job. So how is csic going to regulate that ?
    > Earlier there was something called opic but it wasnt doing a good job
    > in regulating.

    > > Also note that foreign based consultants who are Canadian citizens or
    > > permanent residents and who meet all requirements to be registered with
and
    > > will become members of CSIC will be able to continue submitting
applications
    > > on behalf of their clients. It is only those consultants who won't
qualify
    > > (non-Canadians) to apply for CSIC membership in the first place or won't
    > > meet all other criteria to become members will not be able to represent
    > > clients as of April and all applications submitted by such unqualified
    > > consultants will be returned by CIC.