Robert

"Samanta" <member7242@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > ohhhhhhh now i know where my country got that nasty black pudding from
    > no offense(i am teasing) & ( yes blood pudding) my brother bought some
    > the other day an i picked up the bag by mistake an drop it from the
    > horror when i realise it was black pudding ... he claims it's really
    > good... and i see they make the white one too without any blood just the
    > rice an whatever...
    > u want some good black pudding try the former british colonies in the
    > caribbean...or possible ask around caribbean shops... u might be
    > suprise... i know there is alot in toronto
Thanks Sam.

Wife likes it, I hate it, but it will keep her happy if I find some and
cousin lives in TO.

Now where are those good pork pies (and nobody say Melton Mowbray cos they
full of garlic or Scottish meat pies aint the same)

Finite_state_machine

Well... some of the folks from my native land had posted their
perspective on this topic. Here is mine which offers a different
perspective. The economic activity that India is witnessing is rather
a recent trend. In 1990 the situation was bleak where India had to
send it a [I don't know how many tons] of gold abroad [believe it was
UK] to get some foreign current going (India now has 93 billion in
reserves). Our coffers were empty and at that time the new govt which
got elected started the process of economic reforms. With the collapse
of Soviet I guess it really didn't make any sense for the Indian govt
to hang around the "socialistic pattern of society" anymore. The
opening ness of economy resulted is gradual changes in various sector
especially IT and Telecom. With the advent of Y2K and ERP boom (mid to
late nineties) Indian software companies were able to supply "bodies"
to western companies to fix the millennium bug. During the peak time
companies were getting up to $7 (USD) for single line code that was
freed from "YY" constraint. This then accelerated further with western
cos wanting to cut cost due to sluggish economy that resulted after a
decade of unchecked expansion. So right at the time companies want to
cut cost, the lime light fell on Indian programmers who were gasping
for breath after fixing millions of lines of COBOL code. Many Indian
companies were smart enough to retool their folks and they did a great
job, they got certified (CMM and ISO) and they offered the right price
(say $25/hr as opposed to say $100/hr).

Ok... whit that said; why. During the old days getting a job in India
was hard. If one went to good schools like IITS, BITS etc. You are
"almost" certain to get a job right in the campus. If you were one of
the unlucky ones then the scene is brutal in the world beyond campus.
In 1995 I got out of my college with my "dream" job in India's largest
private sector Iron and Steel Company for Rs.5400 (It was subsequently
increased to 8000 and then to 10000 to stem people from taking IT
jobs). The point is 10 years ago the option of getting a high paying
job was non-existent. So at that time west (and mid east) was the
destination where folks could go to make the kind of money that they
could never conjure up at home. Educated folks went to US, UK (the
west) and skilled (& unskilled) folks went to the Middle East. So over
a period of time the trend of westward migration by smart Indian came
to be regarded as a good thing. Folks did do great for the smart
Indian folks did climb corporate ladders of many fortune corporations.
This resulted in a rather narrow view in many Indian folks. If you are
abroad then you are doing great in other words you are doing much
better than any of the Indian folks who didn't go abroad. Facts such
as cab driving and other mundane jobs that some of the folks were
doing was never mentioned! As a consequence parents felt proud to say
that their son/daughter was in the States, neighbors were envious and
friends were jealous – A most sought after virtue! It was an
achiever's dream come true. As a matter of fact many folks want to go
the states to study which then translates into a job. A $$$ paying job
multiples by a good whole number (45 as it stands now) which
translates into decent wealth in India. So the pride thing still
stands. You get treated "differently" if you are in the US as opposed
you are a local. That's one of the main reasons why folks are
lingering out here in the west even though they cannot stake it out as
they though they would. However during the olden days, for folks who
went through the slump of '82 and survived by doing odd jobs, staking
out paid off in the long run. However with the rapidly expanding
Indian economy and with more and more outsourcing news I guess one may
be able live through the slump unless he or she switch a career that
in demand. I am in IT (in the US) and I am hanging by a thread. I
don't know when it is going to snap but when it does I am planning on
returning to India for I think I might be able to live a better life
in IT stream in India than say in Canada or in Australia. Only time
will tell what is in books for tomorrow

After this long and winding write-up, I am now off to bed,
Ciao, folks

Renee

What you said makes a lot of sense too. Thanks for another perspective,
from someone who agrees that the trend of westward migration by smart
Indians is a good thing, but who would also love to visit India one day.

Renee

--
Inland Spouse Timeline so far:
19 Feb 2003: Moved to Calgary from U.S. on 6 month TRV
12 May 2003: Did medicals in Calgary
20 June 2003: Applied for TRV extension
5 July 2003: Wedding Date
17 July 2003: CIC received inland spouse PR application
15 Aug 2003: Received 6 month TRV extension
20 Aug 2003: CIC request for work history dates (which were sent with
application)
21 Aug 2003: CIC received work history reply by overnight post
4 Sept 2003: CIC e-Client finally shows "in process"


"Finite_State_Machine" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Well... some of the folks from my native land had posted their
    > perspective on this topic. Here is mine which offers a different
    > perspective. The economic activity that India is witnessing is rather
    > a recent trend. In 1990 the situation was bleak where India had to
    > send it a [I don't know how many tons] of gold abroad [believe it was
    > UK] to get some foreign current going (India now has 93 billion in
    > reserves). Our coffers were empty and at that time the new govt which
    > got elected started the process of economic reforms. With the collapse
    > of Soviet I guess it really didn't make any sense for the Indian govt
    > to hang around the "socialistic pattern of society" anymore. The
    > opening ness of economy resulted is gradual changes in various sector
    > especially IT and Telecom. With the advent of Y2K and ERP boom (mid to
    > late nineties) Indian software companies were able to supply "bodies"
    > to western companies to fix the millennium bug. During the peak time
    > companies were getting up to $7 (USD) for single line code that was
    > freed from "YY" constraint. This then accelerated further with western
    > cos wanting to cut cost due to sluggish economy that resulted after a
    > decade of unchecked expansion. So right at the time companies want to
    > cut cost, the lime light fell on Indian programmers who were gasping
    > for breath after fixing millions of lines of COBOL code. Many Indian
    > companies were smart enough to retool their folks and they did a great
    > job, they got certified (CMM and ISO) and they offered the right price
    > (say $25/hr as opposed to say $100/hr).
    > Ok... whit that said; why. During the old days getting a job in India
    > was hard. If one went to good schools like IITS, BITS etc. You are
    > "almost" certain to get a job right in the campus. If you were one of
    > the unlucky ones then the scene is brutal in the world beyond campus.
    > In 1995 I got out of my college with my "dream" job in India's largest
    > private sector Iron and Steel Company for Rs.5400 (It was subsequently
    > increased to 8000 and then to 10000 to stem people from taking IT
    > jobs). The point is 10 years ago the option of getting a high paying
    > job was non-existent. So at that time west (and mid east) was the
    > destination where folks could go to make the kind of money that they
    > could never conjure up at home. Educated folks went to US, UK (the
    > west) and skilled (& unskilled) folks went to the Middle East. So over
    > a period of time the trend of westward migration by smart Indian came
    > to be regarded as a good thing. Folks did do great for the smart
    > Indian folks did climb corporate ladders of many fortune corporations.
    > This resulted in a rather narrow view in many Indian folks. If you are
    > abroad then you are doing great in other words you are doing much
    > better than any of the Indian folks who didn't go abroad. Facts such
    > as cab driving and other mundane jobs that some of the folks were
    > doing was never mentioned! As a consequence parents felt proud to say
    > that their son/daughter was in the States, neighbors were envious and
    > friends were jealous - A most sought after virtue! It was an
    > achiever's dream come true. As a matter of fact many folks want to go
    > the states to study which then translates into a job. A $$$ paying job
    > multiples by a good whole number (45 as it stands now) which
    > translates into decent wealth in India. So the pride thing still
    > stands. You get treated "differently" if you are in the US as opposed
    > you are a local. That's one of the main reasons why folks are
    > lingering out here in the west even though they cannot stake it out as
    > they though they would. However during the olden days, for folks who
    > went through the slump of '82 and survived by doing odd jobs, staking
    > out paid off in the long run. However with the rapidly expanding
    > Indian economy and with more and more outsourcing news I guess one may
    > be able live through the slump unless he or she switch a career that
    > in demand. I am in IT (in the US) and I am hanging by a thread. I
    > don't know when it is going to snap but when it does I am planning on
    > returning to India for I think I might be able to live a better life
    > in IT stream in India than say in Canada or in Australia. Only time
    > will tell what is in books for tomorrow
    > After this long and winding write-up, I am now off to bed,
    > Ciao, folks

Mr Lee

Well, I'm not there yet. But I know exactly why I want to come.

Apart from the usual - following Canadian partner, fancy a change partway through my life, etc I want to go for the following reasons:

- More space. I live in a small terraced house in a large town near a large city. It's getting very claustrophobic.

- I like the outdoors. Don't get me wrong, I love the British countryside and will miss trekking over the Pennine Moors and up Welsh hills and Mountains whenever the fancy takes me, but the lure of endless mountains, lakes and forests is proving irresistible.

- I don't want to live in this country anymore because it's dirty and we're breeding a generation of selfish young thugs. Of course the crime is overplayed, but I'm sick of abusive kids on street corners and outside shops. I'm sick of the rubbish blowing around our streets because so many are too lazy to use a bin.

- I'm ashamed of voting for this Government. They took us into a war we didn't want and have now made us a target for those who had no issue with us. They have reneged on all those promises they made before they were elected. I feel cheated and betrayed. And in the face of no credible opposition, I'm getting out.

- I can't afford a decent house here anymore. £100,000/$200,000 will buy you a two-up/two-down terrace in a grotty innercity backstreet here in the North West. Look what I can get for that money in Canada!!

Yes, I know the grass isn't always greener and I'm sure I'll miss brown sauce, decent chocolate and Vimto, struggle to find my feet for a few months at least, but at least it will be an adventure in four distinct seasons!!

Anybody else?

stepnek

I just wanted to totally back up the comments by Mr Lee as I couldn't agree more with the reasons that he listed for wanting to move to Canada from the UK. I too am following my Canadian wife back to her home and I can't wait to make the move!

Webcrawler

"Renee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:x4Kwb.493483$6C4.123062@pd7tw1no...
    > What you said makes a lot of sense too. Thanks for another perspective,
    > from someone who agrees that the trend of westward migration by smart
    > Indians is a good thing, but who would also love to visit India one day.
    

Most Indians that we know (ourselves included) try and visit India as
frequently as possible.
For instance, we try and go once a year.
There are some that will go twice a year.

Air fares have been falling since the last 2 years and because of frequent
Internet deals, I believe expat Indians are visiting more often.
For instance, Air Canada came out with a very good deal on Toronto - New
Delhi flights.
Not surprisingly, the deals got sold out within a few weeks.

The Indian Govt. also has been encouraging investment from Indian expats by
providing tax breaks, etc.
There is an entire industry out there in India that caters to the services
for expat Indians.
Several multi-national financial institutions (Citibank corp. notably) also
offer a package of services for expat Indians.

The only issue that Indians face, though, is that the Indian passport is a
very weak one.
There are only a handful of countries that will let an Indian national visit
(or even transit) without a visa stamp.
This issue has worsened significantly since 9/11/2001.
Recently, the UK also imposed a requirement for transit visas for Indian
nationals, even if they are merely changing flights.
I am sure this is going to hurt British Airways because most Indians
travelling from N. America will simply take their business to Air France or
Lufthansa (assuming Air France workers are not striking - LOL).

Pre-9/11 things were a lot easier, especially when travelling to
Commonwealth countries.
I can only hope that the political climate in the world changes.

Best wishes.

Chorbalan

Samanta wrote:

    >
    > what i would like to know why do US and UK citizens come to canada

The neighbor's pasture is always greener.

Sarah Ostrinsky

Renee,

It's fascinating that you say that you have learned much Indian
culture from the Satchidananda Ashram in Virginia. Interestingly, the
ashram professes to embrace all religions and cultures, not one. In
fact, the Lotus temple itself is supposedly a shrine to the unity of
all religious experiences. Is this not true? Further, some people say
that the Ashram is far from a true Indian experience. See
http://www.freecatherine.com and
http://www.rickross.com/reference/yo...gaville69.html
for additional details in this regard.

"Renee" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<JEowb.486227$9l5.116353@pd7tw2no>...
    > Good question. As someone who has practiced Integral yoga since 1996 and
    > gotten a lot of insight to the Indian culture during several visits to the
    > Satchidananda Ashram in Virginia, I've wondered the same thing. From what I
    > can see, India has a lot of great qualities.
    >
    > I'm looking forward to some replies from the perspective of those who know
    > both India and North America better than I do.
    >
    > Renee

Anthony

I am not from India, but I have the same perspective as other poster posted
here.
Simply speaking, for the better future of my kids, to be a proud Citizen and
Canadian.

I am from a country where the its rank of corrupt practises is in the bottom
5 of the world. Where it taxes its citizen for more US$120 just for each
overseas trip, but you still don't know where the money goes and looking at
the run-down airport building, make you wonder to ask "what does the gov do
with the taxes?"

Our current passport, while perhaps relatively slightly better PRC in term
of number of countries without visa, still makes us a target for multiple
checks in the west (since they only look at your nationality), although we
are Roman Catholic and we are ethnicly different from natives.

Bottomline, I am willing to pay high taxes and contribute to government, as
long as I know it is for the country and benefit for us all as a Citizen.

And that's what I want to be at, proud as a Canadian.



"Alfaris" <member12199@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I have already seen many posts on this board from Indian computer
    > programmers with H1B visas in USA, who are also trying to push through
    > for Canadian immigration. Why are they trying so hard to make sure they
    > are able to stay in North America?
    > From what I heard, India is a pretty cool country with good
    > opportunities for IT professionals, a rich culture, spicy cuisine, and a
    > much warmer climate. Why are all these people so desperate to remain
    > either in USA or Canada?
    > Does anyone know??
    > Thanks,
    > Alfaris
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Renee

I've seen the Rick Ross site and the Catherine site as well. With all due
respect, I have a mind of my own, as well as the ability to take some good
lessons taught at the ashram to heart without changing my entire life to
revolve around them.

I've been to Satchidananda Ashram numerous times, and yes, I've learned a
lot about the Indian culture and the Hindu religion there. There were
Indian traditions observed while I was visiting, including a beautiful
birthday celebration for a respected 80 year old mother. There were also
individuals from India there that I met and learned from on each of my
visits, plus a friend who was in residence at Yogaville and had traveled to
India regularly. Not at all the same as actually traveling to India myself,
but it was a good opportunity to learn.

Yes, they embrace the belief that "truth is one, paths are many," so the
Lotus shrine is indeed dedicated to all the world's religions with an
additional section for those that we may not know about but still have
value. The times I visited the ashram included a scriptural study on
Thursday evenings. Those studies focused on one religion per session, but
included all the major religions over the course of a year for the benefit
of those in residence at the ashram. Twice I was introduced to the Bhagavad
Gita and the Hindu faith, and it inspired me to learn more on my own. I
don't claim to know everything about Hinduism or any other religion - and I
don't practice any one religion. I consider myself a spiritual person. I
want to be a well educated individual who is open-minded to all kinds of
ideas. I see value in all kinds of ideas, and I don't dismiss something
just because it's foreign to me, nor do I exclude everything else and
dismiss others' beliefs.

There are some people in the Yogaville environment that I personally think
have immersed themselves too much into the teachings of Satchidananda. But
those are not my choices to make. My choice is to use the teachings of
Sivananda and Satchidananda as guidelines for living, not to leave my entire
life behind and denounce anything that goes against them.

For example, both gurus preach non-violence in the form of vegetarianism,
yet I am not a vegetarian. I do not chant and meditate daily, and I don't
get to practice asana as often as I'd like, but I still recognize the value
of all those things and I do still practice them when I can. I do find the
yoga sutras to contain a lot of wisdom. Contrary to Mr. Ross's belief, I
don't think mantra repetition is brainwashing; I find it to be a great way
to center myself on the days when I need to feel calm again. I balance all
those yogic teachings in the grand scope of the rest of my life, as it is
all important.

I find the tenets of most of the disciplines of yoga to be profound, and I
enjoyed the times I was able to visit the ashram to learn more about them.
The majority of the guests there with me for the programs or short personal
retreats were the same way. Many of them were practicing Catholics,
Buddhists, Jews, or members of other religions. They were able to balance
the messages of the ashram with their other beliefs with no problem.

Certainly I cannot speak about the inside story at the ashram because I
would not have moved there permanently. I met some wonderful people in
residence, some who took monastic vows, and others who just wanted to better
themselves. If there have been incidences of abuse or alientation from
families, then I am truly sorry.

For myself, I looked at Satchidananda as a human teacher only, not a
demi-God. I don't believe that his entire message should be discounted
because some individuals lost perspective in their quest for the truth.
Certainly, he's never claimed to have personally invented any of what he
teaches. One needs only to look around Sivananda Hall to observe the
respect for the original saints and teachers from many religions.
Satchidananda claims only to have come from India upon request from his
teacher, Sivananda, to extend the teachings to other parts of the world.

On a couple of the times I attended satsang at the ashram, Satchidananda
responded to questions with the reminder that he is a teacher only and not
God. Some people seemed to believe otherwise, but the impression I got was
that Satchidananda discouraged that. I never saw him deify himself; I saw
the opposite, despite the fact that some people seemed to want to put him on
a pedestal as more than just a teacher.

Perhaps you posted what you did because you had a bad experience yourself.
I don't know, but if so, I'm sorry you went through it. However, I believe
that many people learn a great deal of worthwhile lessons at Yogaville
without expense to their regular life. I find the Rick Ross site to be
pretty obnoxious, to be honest. I am open-minded and comfortable enough in
my beliefs to have read through a good deal of it, but Mr. Ross seems to
find fault with everybody. There is the issue of his own past and criminal
history as well. We all have our own opinions, so I will not deny him the
right to his. However, I came away from Yogaville with positive experiences
and without being brainwashed, and I'm a better person for it.

Best wishes.

Renee

--
Inland Spouse Timeline so far:
19 Feb 2003: Moved to Calgary from U.S. on 6 month TRV
12 May 2003: Did medicals in Calgary
20 June 2003: Applied for TRV extension
5 July 2003: Wedding Date
17 July 2003: CIC received inland spouse PR application
15 Aug 2003: Received 6 month TRV extension
20 Aug 2003: CIC request for work history dates (which were sent with
application)
21 Aug 2003: CIC received work history reply by overnight post
4 Sept 2003: CIC e-Client finally shows "in process"


"Sarah Ostrinsky" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Renee,
    > It's fascinating that you say that you have learned much Indian
    > culture from the Satchidananda Ashram in Virginia. Interestingly, the
    > ashram professes to embrace all religions and cultures, not one. In
    > fact, the Lotus temple itself is supposedly a shrine to the unity of
    > all religious experiences. Is this not true? Further, some people say
    > that the Ashram is far from a true Indian experience. See
    > http://www.freecatherine.com and
    > http://www.rickross.com/reference/yo...gaville69.html
    > for additional details in this regard.
    > "Renee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<JEowb.486227$9l5.116353@pd7tw2no>...
    > > Good question. As someone who has practiced Integral yoga since 1996
and
    > > gotten a lot of insight to the Indian culture during several visits to
the
    > > Satchidananda Ashram in Virginia, I've wondered the same thing. From
what I
    > > can see, India has a lot of great qualities.
    > >
    > > I'm looking forward to some replies from the perspective of those who
know
    > > both India and North America better than I do.
    > >
    > > Renee
    > >

supernav

Cuz they're "country shoppers".

If it's impossible to get their GC in the US. They go to Canada.

How many indians actually WANT to leave the US one day and DON'T want a GC. ie: H1b/L1b's W/O immigrant intent.

I have yet to meet a single one.

-= nav =-

Sekar

I think one of the US presidents (back in the 20s or 30s) said:

"We are all citizens of the world and it is a shame we don't know it!"

Very poignant!

I am from India originally and have lived in the US for 16 years. I
have to say, moving to the US, was one of the best things that
happened to me. Not because of money, career, job - yes they are all
there. But living in another culture, experiencing it first hand
broadens one's horizons (at least did in my case) and you start
respecting others cultrues and every human being. My brother, who is
married to an American (and been here for 20+ years) and I feel that
our lives have been enriched by being here.

Without exposure to other cultures, living in a monolithic society, it
would not be easy to understand and appreciate foreign cultures.

In India, in spite of the new high-tech job boom, unless you have tons
of money, you are working for mere survival. Whereas in the US or
Canada, you can hope to pursue other interests like music, arts,
painting, whatever it may be.

Of course, Indian spirituality too (like an Irish friend of mine who
is an Indophile). Or for that matter, a friend of mine at work (from
E.Europe) and I (an Indian) feel that spending one hour at the piano
is more relaxing than yoga! But of course, we do yoga too. My point is
when you are fighting for survival, you cannot think of music, arts or
spirituality, and it becomes nearly impossible to pursue whatever
feeds your soul!!

[Repeat the quote from the top]
Sekar

ps: my sister [and her family living in India] have done their
Medicals and sent in their passports to CHC. If everything goes well,
my niece and nephew will be closer to their uncles pretty soon :-) I
am sure initially it will be difficult for them, especially getting
used to the Canadian winter....


"Renee" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<A%twb.484735$6C4.715@pd7tw1no>...
    > Good answers, Samanta. I was lucky enough to find love with a Calgarian and
    > move to this wonderful city from the U.S. That's my reason.
    >
    > I may not have the same answers as people from smaller areas in the U.S. but
    > here's a few thoughts...I grew up in Northern Virginia in the Washington
    > D.C. area. As the years went on, the suburbs kept sprawling, and the
    > planners weren't keeping up with the development. In that area now, it
    > doesn't matter what time of day it is - it's ALWAYS rush hour. Everywhere
    > you go is crowded, and it gets really frustrating when you're trying to be
    > polite and respectful, but most everyone else has the attitude that their
    > time is almighty important so you can just get out of their way. People
    > drive very aggressively and the "me first" attitude is overwhelming, on the
    > roads and at any other public place. It's like the crowds make every little
    > errand take longer, people are trying to fit too much into their lives, and
    > they can't be bothered to remember that everyone else has a good reason for
    > being out too.
    >
    > The Washington D.C. area sees a lot of people come and go, and it's a place
    > where status is all-important. People are overextending themselves to buy
    > half-million dollar houses and lease huge SUV's, while gambling that they
    > won't be included in the next set of layoffs. The land of designer
    > labels...and I'm the farthest thing from materialistic. Of course, not
    > every last person there is like that, but there's enough of it that I'm not
    > the only one in my circle of friends and family who got tired of living in
    > the middle of it.
    >
    > I've been visiting Calgary since last July, and I've lived here full time
    > since February of this year. I've found the people to be significantly more
    > pleasant, even with regard to the little things in life that many people in
    > D.C. have long since forgotten. Letting someone merge in traffic...noticing
    > that the person behind you in line at the grocery store has two items
    > compared to your fifty and letting them ahead of you...far less pushing and
    > shoving in crowds. The general lifestyle here is more relaxed, and more
    > down to earth. Sure, there's still SUV's all over the place, but we
    > actually get significant snow here, so there's more reason to drive them.
    > Sure, some people are rude, but I've seen it far less since coming to
    > Calgary. It's growing fast here too, but I haven't experienced anything
    > even close to the bad attitudes I lived with every day in Virginia.
    >
    > I'm the kind of person who likes a simple lifestyle, who remembers the
    > golden rule, and who likes feeling like she's not just some faceless,
    > insignificant person to herd through a busy store. The city I came from has
    > become so congested that people forget to say hello and smile, but I feel
    > welcome here in Calgary. It's not quite as culturally diverse as Washington
    > D.C. but there's a good mix of people from many different countries, and
    > there's a good amount of activities to keep everyone interested.
    >
    > Oh, and just to be *really* lighthearted, we have NHL AND junior level
    > hockey here, so as long as you've got the satellite to watch your old home
    > team, you've got plenty of opportunities for a good live hockey fix.
    >
    > I'm sure other people will disagree with me, and that's perfectly fine.
    > None of what I've said above should be taken as gospel, just as one woman's
    > preference.
    >
    > Renee
    >
    > --
    > Inland Spouse Timeline so far:
    > 19 Feb 2003: Moved to Calgary from U.S. on 6 month TRV
    > 12 May 2003: Did medicals in Calgary
    > 20 June 2003: Applied for TRV extension
    > 5 July 2003: Wedding Date
    > 17 July 2003: CIC received inland spouse PR application
    > 15 Aug 2003: Received 6 month TRV extension
    > 20 Aug 2003: CIC request for work history dates (which were sent with
    > application)
    > 21 Aug 2003: CIC received work history reply by overnight post
    > 4 Sept 2003: CIC e-Client finally shows "in process"
    >
    >
    > "Samanta" <member7242@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > My guy is indian and also my grandparents were from india...
    > >
    > > It is like the others were saying its to give their kids a better future
    > > in a more stable economy... we dont forget our values i still worship in
    > > the hindi way even after all this time... but we however make a better
    > > life than what might be offered to us in india especially middle class
    > > or lower.... plus the system of caste etc still exsist an discrimation
    > > does occur even though its not there as it was in the past...
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > in canada everyone is free to some aspect or at least kids born an raise
    > > in the western worlds are not judge by religon, caste, family name etc
    > > once the indian accent cant be detected in lots of workplaces etc... u
    > > are all canadian eh...
    > >
    > > its like a liberation/ freedom to be all we can be i would say....
    > > however unforunately alot of people came and hated canada but wouldnt
    > > go back either from pride or their children refuse to go back with
    > > them...they just sit around an think of the past in india an not toward
    > > the future life as a canadian...
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > its very good for young people to spread their wings like webcrawler
    > > since indian culture is very set in their culture and way of life to
    > > break away an experience freedom makes us stronger and more independent
    > > indiviuals...spending time away from mama ji to cook an clean ... make
    > > our eyes open really fast...
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > what i would like to know why do US and UK citizens come to canada
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Finite_state_machine

    > I am sure this is going to hurt British Airways because most Indians
    > travelling from N. America will simply take their business to Air France or
    > Lufthansa (assuming Air France workers are not striking - LOL).
    >
Yeah! the brits lost my business. I am in no mood to send in my
passport to get a visa stamped just because I want to connect to a
different flight. I really hope Germany and France dont tread on BA's
path

Jaj

If you hold a valid Canadian PR Card, or US Green Card (issued from 21
April 1998), you should not need a visa to *transit* (as opposed to
visit) the UK:
http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/new...21&SectionId=1

Jeremy


    >On 26 Nov 2003 00:16:39 -0800, [email protected] (Finite_State_Machine) wrote:
    >> I am sure this is going to hurt British Airways because most Indians
    >> travelling from N. America will simply take their business to Air France or
    >> Lufthansa (assuming Air France workers are not striking - LOL).
    >>
    >Yeah! the brits lost my business. I am in no mood to send in my
    >passport to get a visa stamped just because I want to connect to a
    >different flight. I really hope Germany and France dont tread on BA's
    >path

This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

Majj

They have lost my business too thanks to Blair's stance on the war with Bush which makes BA a target for terrorism.