John

I am being charged with shoplifting (200$, very stupid to get a camera
for my wife) and will go to law court soon
My question is this: Do I need to speak to Lawyer for my case?
Since police officer told me you can contact any lawyer for help
some other questions are:
If the lawyer will be mandate to appear on court with me, what he/she
will do?
If so, How and where I can find lawyer in canada ( I am new immigrant
in canada)?
Does it cost money to ask lawyer for assistance?
Does the lawyer do something affecting the sentence/punishment which I
will face to?
If I have criminal record, can i still get job in canada?
Does employer do criminal record checking when he/she decide to hire
me?
If anyone is familiar with my case, please advice me how and what I
can do to get light sentence/punishment before I go to court. Actually
the question is this:
is there a way I can do to get a light punishment

Any advice and feedback will be greatly appreciated

JOHN

Dylan Thurston

On 2004-01-23, JOHN <[email protected]> wrote:
    > I am being charged with shoplifting (200$, very stupid to get a camera
    > for my wife) and will go to law court soon
    > My question is this: Do I need to speak to Lawyer for my case?

This is really not the right place for this. Yes, you should talk to a
lawyer. Usually lawyers will not charge for an initial
conversation/assessment, and will at least tell you what your options
are.

But this is an immigration forum, not a legal defense forum.

Peace,
Dylan

Mark Liu

most of stores have some kind of surveillance system/cameras located
everywhere, lots of new immigrates don't know that. I remember a case that
a Chinese Proferssor shoplifting something not expensive but got caught. He
could not stand for "losing face" in front of his family and friends, he end
up electrocuting himself before the trial... this is even stupider than what
you did.

I will admit my mistake to the judge, beg for forgiveness, and promise never
do it again.....and keep my word.

Mark


"JOHN" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I am being charged with shoplifting (200$, very stupid to get a camera
    > for my wife) and will go to law court soon
    > My question is this: Do I need to speak to Lawyer for my case?
    > Since police officer told me you can contact any lawyer for help
    > some other questions are:
    > If the lawyer will be mandate to appear on court with me, what he/she
    > will do?
    > If so, How and where I can find lawyer in canada ( I am new immigrant
    > in canada)?
    > Does it cost money to ask lawyer for assistance?
    > Does the lawyer do something affecting the sentence/punishment which I
    > will face to?
    > If I have criminal record, can i still get job in canada?
    > Does employer do criminal record checking when he/she decide to hire
    > me?
    > If anyone is familiar with my case, please advice me how and what I
    > can do to get light sentence/punishment before I go to court. Actually
    > the question is this:
    > is there a way I can do to get a light punishment
    > Any advice and feedback will be greatly appreciated
    > JOHN

Singh

If you dont have money for attorney then the crown (administrative clerk)
will explain you how to get a state defense lawyer to represent you.
If you HAVE the $, then to put it clearly a lawyer can pretty much do
anything, and all this could be behind you in no time, depending on how
strong prosecution evidence there is.

I suggest you talk to 2-3 best attorneys and explain them the situation and
retain the one which is smart, experienced and pro-active in your case.

To err is human, and we all make mistakes some small others large, vow to
yourself never to ever do it again and DONT WORRY !!
good luck




"JOHN" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I am being charged with shoplifting (200$, very stupid to get a camera
    > for my wife) and will go to law court soon
    > My question is this: Do I need to speak to Lawyer for my case?
    > Since police officer told me you can contact any lawyer for help
    > some other questions are:
    > If the lawyer will be mandate to appear on court with me, what he/she
    > will do?
    > If so, How and where I can find lawyer in canada ( I am new immigrant
    > in canada)?
    > Does it cost money to ask lawyer for assistance?
    > Does the lawyer do something affecting the sentence/punishment which I
    > will face to?
    > If I have criminal record, can i still get job in canada?
    > Does employer do criminal record checking when he/she decide to hire
    > me?
    > If anyone is familiar with my case, please advice me how and what I
    > can do to get light sentence/punishment before I go to court. Actually
    > the question is this:
    > is there a way I can do to get a light punishment
    > Any advice and feedback will be greatly appreciated
    > JOHN

Cicero

You are not sentenced and you don't appear to be a criminal, or theif - you made a stupid mistake - so don't despair! Disregard negative and mean spirited advices like from www. iamnotamerican.com in the previous post:

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...hreadid=204778

It is not likely that you will have any serious consequences (neither related to work or your application) because of this (off course make sure not to do something else or similar).

Talk with your lawyer, fight with him for the best results in the trail. If your process is pending, you can try to buy some time and extend the court proceedings as much as reasonable and possible, until the immigration decision is made.

Ask your friends or check with professional or non-profit organizations to recommend you a lawyer.

Don't get to hard on yourself just draw the right conclusions, work on the court case and move in the positive way.

Good luck with your citizenship application.

Andrew Miller

Unfortunately "buying time" won't work. See recent Federal Court decision in
similar cases when applicant committed indictable offence after citizenship
application was submitted. Read here:

http://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/fct/2003/2003fc1172.html

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Cicero" <member18614@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > You are not sentenced and you don't appear to be a criminal, or theif -
    > you made a stupid mistake - so don't despair! Disregard negative and
    > mean spirited advices like from www. iamnotamerican.com in
    > the previous post:
    > ]http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...=&threadid=20-
    > 4778[/url]
    > It is not likely that you will have any serious consequences (neither
    > related to work or your application) because of this (off course make
    > sure not to do something else or similar).
    > Talk with your lawyer, fight with him for the best results in the trail.
    > If your process is pending, you can try to buy some time and extend the
    > court proceedings as much as reasonable and possible, until the
    > immigration decision is made.
    > Ask your friends or check with professional or non-profit organizations
    > to recommend you a lawyer.
    > Don't get to hard on yourself just draw the right conclusions, work on
    > the court case and move in the positive way.
    > Good luck with your citizenship application.
    > Originally posted by John
    > > I am being charged with shoplifting (200$, very stupid to get a camera
    > > for my wife) and will go to law court soon
    > > My question is this: Do I need to speak to Lawyer for my case?
    > > Since police officer told me you can contact any lawyer for help
    > > some other questions are:
    > > If the lawyer will be mandate to appear on court with me, what he/she
    > > will do?
    > > If so, How and where I can find lawyer in canada ( I am new immigrant
    > > in canada)?
    > > Does it cost money to ask lawyer for assistance?
    > > Does the lawyer do something affecting the sentence/punishment which I
    > > will face to?
    > > If I have criminal record, can i still get job in canada?
    > > Does employer do criminal record checking when he/she decide to hire
    > > me?
    > > If anyone is familiar with my case, please advice me how and what I
    > > can do to get light sentence/punishment before I go to court. Actually
    > > the question is this:
    > > is there a way I can do to get a light punishment
    > >
    > > Any advice and feedback will be greatly appreciated
    > >
    > JOHN
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Singh

well, I agree with you,,, to my understanding quebec chooses it own
immigrants through its immigration dept and I am not sure if Federal govt
can choose to grant PR to someone who wants to live in quebec,,,,whereas in
Provincial nominee programs, provinces work though their dept of labor and
business development to get immigrants,,,they have number limits per yr and
are parallel to federal program,,,and quebec is independent with no numeric
cap,,,,,correct me if I am wrong,,,,,,but to answer this thread does it
matter where the lawyer is ?

secondly can PR visa be denied for any reason if one has CSQ, other then
security/medical reasons ?




"Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:EAkQb.7028$5D.3849@clgrps13...
    > Unfortunately "buying time" won't work. See recent Federal Court decision
in
    > similar cases when applicant committed indictable offence after
citizenship
    > application was submitted. Read here:
    > http://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/fct/2003/2003fc1172.html
    > --
    > ../..
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    > "Cicero" <member18614@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > You are not sentenced and you don't appear to be a criminal, or theif -
    > > you made a stupid mistake - so don't despair! Disregard negative and
    > > mean spirited advices like from www. iamnotamerican.com in
    > > the previous post:
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ]http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...=&threadid=20-
    > > 4778[/url]
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > It is not likely that you will have any serious consequences (neither
    > > related to work or your application) because of this (off course make
    > > sure not to do something else or similar).
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Talk with your lawyer, fight with him for the best results in the trail.
    > > If your process is pending, you can try to buy some time and extend the
    > > court proceedings as much as reasonable and possible, until the
    > > immigration decision is made.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Ask your friends or check with professional or non-profit organizations
    > > to recommend you a lawyer.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Don't get to hard on yourself just draw the right conclusions, work on
    > > the court case and move in the positive way.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Good luck with your citizenship application.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Originally posted by John
    > >
    > > > I am being charged with shoplifting (200$, very stupid to get a camera
    > >
    > > > for my wife) and will go to law court soon
    > >
    > > > My question is this: Do I need to speak to Lawyer for my case?
    > >
    > > > Since police officer told me you can contact any lawyer for help
    > >
    > > > some other questions are:
    > >
    > > > If the lawyer will be mandate to appear on court with me, what he/she
    > >
    > > > will do?
    > >
    > > > If so, How and where I can find lawyer in canada ( I am new immigrant
    > >
    > > > in canada)?
    > >
    > > > Does it cost money to ask lawyer for assistance?
    > >
    > > > Does the lawyer do something affecting the sentence/punishment which I
    > >
    > > > will face to?
    > >
    > > > If I have criminal record, can i still get job in canada?
    > >
    > > > Does employer do criminal record checking when he/she decide to hire
    > >
    > > > me?
    > >
    > > > If anyone is familiar with my case, please advice me how and what I
    > >
    > > > can do to get light sentence/punishment before I go to court. Actually
    > >
    > > > the question is this:
    > >
    > > > is there a way I can do to get a light punishment
    > >
    > > >
    > >
    > > > Any advice and feedback will be greatly appreciated
    > >
    > > >
    > >
    > > JOHN
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Andrew Miller

Your understanding is wrong. It is only the federal government (CIC) that
may approve immigration applications and issue PR visas. Province don't have
such right at all. All what Provinces can do is to issue selection
certificate - rest is up to feds. And yes, CIC may deny PR visa to the
holder of PNP selection certificate not only for medical, criminal or
security inadmissibility reasons.

And I beg you this time - please don't post guesses and thoughts when
replying to someone's question for reliable answer.

But this thread is not about Quebec at all - it is not even about
immigration process of any sort.

You need to stop smoking, whatever you are smoking... :-)

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Singh" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > well, I agree with you,,, to my understanding quebec chooses it own
    > immigrants through its immigration dept and I am not sure if Federal govt
    > can choose to grant PR to someone who wants to live in quebec,,,,whereas
in
    > Provincial nominee programs, provinces work though their dept of labor and
    > business development to get immigrants,,,they have number limits per yr
and
    > are parallel to federal program,,,and quebec is independent with no
numeric
    > cap,,,,,correct me if I am wrong,,,,,,but to answer this thread does it
    > matter where the lawyer is ?
    > secondly can PR visa be denied for any reason if one has CSQ, other then
    > security/medical reasons ?
    > "Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:EAkQb.7028$5D.3849@clgrps13...
    > > Unfortunately "buying time" won't work. See recent Federal Court
decision
    > in
    > > similar cases when applicant committed indictable offence after
    > citizenship
    > > application was submitted. Read here:
    > >
    > > http://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/fct/2003/2003fc1172.html
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "Cicero" <member18614@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > >
    > > > You are not sentenced and you don't appear to be a criminal, or
theif -
    > > > you made a stupid mistake - so don't despair! Disregard negative and
    > > > mean spirited advices like from www. iamnotamerican.com in
    > > > the previous post:
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > ]http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...=&threadid=20-
    > > > 4778[/url]
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > It is not likely that you will have any serious consequences (neither
    > > > related to work or your application) because of this (off course make
    > > > sure not to do something else or similar).
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Talk with your lawyer, fight with him for the best results in the
trail.
    > > > If your process is pending, you can try to buy some time and extend
the
    > > > court proceedings as much as reasonable and possible, until the
    > > > immigration decision is made.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Ask your friends or check with professional or non-profit
organizations
    > > > to recommend you a lawyer.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Don't get to hard on yourself just draw the right conclusions, work on
    > > > the court case and move in the positive way.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Good luck with your citizenship application.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Originally posted by John
    > > >
    > > > > I am being charged with shoplifting (200$, very stupid to get a
camera
    > > >
    > > > > for my wife) and will go to law court soon
    > > >
    > > > > My question is this: Do I need to speak to Lawyer for my case?
    > > >
    > > > > Since police officer told me you can contact any lawyer for help
    > > >
    > > > > some other questions are:
    > > >
    > > > > If the lawyer will be mandate to appear on court with me, what
he/she
    > > >
    > > > > will do?
    > > >
    > > > > If so, How and where I can find lawyer in canada ( I am new
immigrant
    > > >
    > > > > in canada)?
    > > >
    > > > > Does it cost money to ask lawyer for assistance?
    > > >
    > > > > Does the lawyer do something affecting the sentence/punishment which
I
    > > >
    > > > > will face to?
    > > >
    > > > > If I have criminal record, can i still get job in canada?
    > > >
    > > > > Does employer do criminal record checking when he/she decide to hire
    > > >
    > > > > me?
    > > >
    > > > > If anyone is familiar with my case, please advice me how and what I
    > > >
    > > > > can do to get light sentence/punishment before I go to court.
Actually
    > > >
    > > > > the question is this:
    > > >
    > > > > is there a way I can do to get a light punishment
    > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > > > Any advice and feedback will be greatly appreciated
    > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > > JOHN
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
    > >
    > >

John

thanks a lot
what forum should I go?

JOHN


Dylan Thurston <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > On 2004-01-23, JOHN <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > I am being charged with shoplifting (200$, very stupid to get a camera
    > > for my wife) and will go to law court soon
    > > My question is this: Do I need to speak to Lawyer for my case?
    >
    > This is really not the right place for this. Yes, you should talk to a
    > lawyer. Usually lawyers will not charge for an initial
    > conversation/assessment, and will at least tell you what your options
    > are.
    >
    > But this is an immigration forum, not a legal defense forum.
    >
    > Peace,
    > Dylan

John

thanks Mark.
Does employer do criminal record check once he/she will hire me?


JOHN


"Mark Liu" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<oyiQb.6510$5D.2112@clgrps13>...
    > most of stores have some kind of surveillance system/cameras located
    > everywhere, lots of new immigrates don't know that. I remember a case that
    > a Chinese Proferssor shoplifting something not expensive but got caught. He
    > could not stand for "losing face" in front of his family and friends, he end
    > up electrocuting himself before the trial... this is even stupider than what
    > you did.
    >
    > I will admit my mistake to the judge, beg for forgiveness, and promise never
    > do it again.....and keep my word.
    >
    > Mark
    >
    >
    > "JOHN" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > I am being charged with shoplifting (200$, very stupid to get a camera
    > > for my wife) and will go to law court soon
    > > My question is this: Do I need to speak to Lawyer for my case?
    > > Since police officer told me you can contact any lawyer for help
    > > some other questions are:
    > > If the lawyer will be mandate to appear on court with me, what he/she
    > > will do?
    > > If so, How and where I can find lawyer in canada ( I am new immigrant
    > > in canada)?
    > > Does it cost money to ask lawyer for assistance?
    > > Does the lawyer do something affecting the sentence/punishment which I
    > > will face to?
    > > If I have criminal record, can i still get job in canada?
    > > Does employer do criminal record checking when he/she decide to hire
    > > me?
    > > If anyone is familiar with my case, please advice me how and what I
    > > can do to get light sentence/punishment before I go to court. Actually
    > > the question is this:
    > > is there a way I can do to get a light punishment
    > >
    > > Any advice and feedback will be greatly appreciated
    > >
    > > JOHN

Cicero

You seem to be comparing apples and oranges. There is hardly anything similar with those two cases (your link and this case).

The link is about revocation of citizenship case.
The gentleman that asked the question is not a citizen and is not concealing anything.

Also, the case is about the Polish immigrant who concealed that he is under the court proceedings. ("...false representation or fraud or by concealing material circumstances" and "... the issue is whether Mr. Wysocki knowingly concealed his pending criminal charge at the time he took the oath of citizenship.")
The gentleman here does not want to conceal anything!
Next, how can you draw parallels peaty theft (allegedly) for 200$ and sexual assault? There is clear difference between misdemeanor and criminal offense?

Read this about the case, related why he was charged:
"...signed a document, before a citizenship official, stating that he had not been subject to immigration or criminal proceedings since filing his application"

Than this:
"...is charged with an offence under the Criminal Code or an indictable offence under any Act of Parliament."

This is one more time neither of those two. Why do you want to make the guy criminal or a thief when he is not?

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Why you keep forgetting that? With additional time he would get time to defend himself in the court of law.

Another, how dare you to say to someone:
"You need to stop smoking, whatever you are smoking"

That is a rude comment and you should apologize to John.

Miller is among those who are known to rude, inconsiderate and arogant responses to immigrants here.

Talk to the lawyer and that is the best way to go! You should not be scared of anything and there are all chances that you will get your citizenship without any problems.

Covenant

Andrew,

have you any comments regarding posting by Alexandra regarding returning home from Canada because of the unfairness in the employment arena to new emmigrants?

Why isn't the powers to be in Canada taking this issue seriously?

Andrew Miller

It is not about the difference between crimes as such has no relevance - it
is about what you advised, about "buying time".

John is not yet concealing anything (I hope he won't, for his own good), but
this is exactly what you suggest him to do by "buying time".

As you can see on Mr. Wysocki's example "buying time" by concealing
information about the substantial fact that happened between his citizenship
application and him taking the oath cost him loss of citizenship and thus
deportation as he is no longer a PR. Do you wish John to face the same? I
don't.

Do your own homework and review several other Federal Court cases like this
and you'll see that even "smaller" crimes that haven't been disclosed led to
the same unfortunate ending.

And there is nothing "alleged" here - John admitted to stealing camera in
his original post.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Cicero" <member18614@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > You seem to be comparing apples and oranges. There is hardly anything
    > similar with those two cases (your link and this case).
    > The link is about revocation of citizenship case.
    > The gentleman that asked the question is not a citizen and is not
    > concealing anything.
    > Also, the case is about the Polish immigrant who concealed that he is
    > under the court proceedings. ("...false representation or fraud or by
    > concealing material circumstances" and "... the issue is whether Mr.
    > Wysocki knowingly concealed his pending criminal charge at the time he
    > took the oath of citizenship.")
    > The gentleman here does not want to conceal anything!
    > Next, how can you draw parallels peaty theft (allegedly) for 200$ and
    > sexual assault? There is clear difference between misdemeanor and
    > criminal offense?
    > Read this about the case, related why he was charged:
    > "...signed a document, before a citizenship official, stating that he
    > had not been subject to immigration or criminal proceedings since filing
    > his application"
    > Than this:
    > "...is charged with an offence under the Criminal Code or an indictable
    > offence under any Act of Parliament."
    > This is one more time neither of those two. Why do you want to make the
    > guy criminal or a thief when he is not?
    > Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Why you keep forgetting
    > that? With additional time he would get time to defend himself in the
    > court of law.
    > Another, how dare you to say to someone:
    > "You need to stop smoking, whatever you are smoking"
    > That is a rude comment and you should apologize to John.
    > Miller is among those who are known to rude, inconsiderate and arogant
    > responses to immigrants here.
    > Talk to the lawyer and that is the best way to go! You should not be
    > scared of anything and there are all chances that you will get your
    > citizenship without any problems.
    > Originally posted by Andrew Miller
    > > Unfortunately "buying time" won't work. See recent Federal Court
    > > decision in
    > > similar cases when applicant committed indictable offence after
    > > citizenship
    > > application was submitted. Read here:
    > >
    > > http://decisions.fct-
    > > cf.gc.ca/fct/2003/2003fc1172.html"]http://decisions.fct-
    > > cf.gc.ca/fct/2003/2003fc1172.html[/url]
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "Cicero" <member18614@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]"]news:1195356.1074905-
    > > [email protected][/url]...
    > > > You are not sentenced and you don't appear to be a criminal, or
    > > theif -
    > > > you made a stupid mistake - so don't despair! Disregard
    > > negative and
    > > > mean spirited advices like from www.
    > > iamnotamerican.com in
    > > > the previous post:
    > > >url="http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...=&threadid=20-
    > > "]http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...=&threadid=20-
    > > [/url]
    > > > 4778[/url]
    > > > It is not likely that you will have any serious consequences
    > > (neither
    > > > related to work or your application) because of this (off course
    > > make
    > > > sure not to do something else or similar).
    > > > Talk with your lawyer, fight with him for the best results in
    > > the trail.
    > > > If your process is pending, you can try to buy some time and
    > > extend the
    > > > court proceedings as much as reasonable and possible, until
    > > the
    > > > immigration decision is made.
    > > > Ask your friends or check with professional or non-profit
    > > organizations
    > > > to recommend you a lawyer.
    > > > Don't get to hard on yourself just draw the right conclusions,
    > > work on
    > > > the court case and move in the positive way.
    > > > Good luck with your citizenship application.
    > > > Originally posted by John
    > > > > I am being charged with shoplifting (200$, very stupid to get
    > > a camera
    > > > > for my wife) and will go to law court soon
    > > > > My question is this: Do I need to speak to Lawyer for my
    > > case?
    > > > > Since police officer told me you can contact any lawyer for
    > > help
    > > > > some other questions are:
    > > > > If the lawyer will be mandate to appear on court with me, what
    > > he/she
    > > > > will do?
    > > > > If so, How and where I can find lawyer in canada ( I am new
    > > immigrant
    > > > > in canada)?
    > > > > Does it cost money to ask lawyer for assistance?
    > > > > Does the lawyer do something affecting the sentence/punishment
    > > which I
    > > > > will face to?
    > > > > If I have criminal record, can i still get job in canada?
    > > > > Does employer do criminal record checking when he/she decide
    > > to hire
    > > > > me?
    > > > > If anyone is familiar with my case, please advice me how and
    > > what I
    > > > > can do to get light sentence/punishment before I go to court.
    > > Actually
    > > > > the question is this:
    > > > > is there a way I can do to get a light punishment
    > > > >
    > > > > Any advice and feedback will be greatly appreciated
    > > > >
    > > > JOHN
    > > > --
    > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com/"]http://britishexpats.-
    > com[/url]
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Andrew Miller

I'm sorry but I don't see any post by Alexandra - accessing this newsgroup
through such poor portal as britishexpats unfortunately results in a lot of
lost posts. You all should access this forum (misc.immigration.canada)
directly through your news reader (Outlook Express for example) or through
more reliable web based portal like Google.

Unfortunately Canada has a free market economy and nobody can force
employers to hire newcomers when experienced Canadian workers (citizens and
permanent residents) are available for position.

But please tell why only some from about 50,000 principal applicants who
immigrate to Canada every year in Skilled Workers class can't find jobs when
being already in Canada while at the same time over 110,000 foreign workers
can find jobs from abroad and come to Canada with work permits? Don't they
not only face the same "unfairness in employment area" as new immigrants (if
not bigger) but more importantly must convince their employers to go through
long process of getting job offer validation and to wait until they get work
permit?

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Sukhi" <member20382@british_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Andrew,
    > have you any comments regarding posting by Alexandra regarding returning
    > home from Canada because of the unfairness in the employment arena to
    > new emmigrants?
    > Why isn't the powers to be in Canada taking this issue seriously?
    > --
    > sukhi
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Andrew Miller

Oops...

Word Unfortunately in my post should be "Unfortunately" in quotation marks
or Fortunately without quotation marks to make my point.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________



"Andrew Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:YppQb.7333$P51.7154@clgrps12...
    > I'm sorry but I don't see any post by Alexandra - accessing this newsgroup
    > through such poor portal as britishexpats unfortunately results in a lot
of
    > lost posts. You all should access this forum (misc.immigration.canada)
    > directly through your news reader (Outlook Express for example) or through
    > more reliable web based portal like Google.
    > Unfortunately Canada has a free market economy and nobody can force
    > employers to hire newcomers when experienced Canadian workers (citizens
and
    > permanent residents) are available for position.
    > But please tell why only some from about 50,000 principal applicants who
    > immigrate to Canada every year in Skilled Workers class can't find jobs
when
    > being already in Canada while at the same time over 110,000 foreign
workers
    > can find jobs from abroad and come to Canada with work permits? Don't they
    > not only face the same "unfairness in employment area" as new immigrants
(if
    > not bigger) but more importantly must convince their employers to go
through
    > long process of getting job offer validation and to wait until they get
work
    > permit?
    > --
    > ../..
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    > "Sukhi" <member20382@british_expats.com> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > Andrew,
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > have you any comments regarding posting by Alexandra regarding returning
    > > home from Canada because of the unfairness in the employment arena to
    > > new emmigrants?
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Why isn't the powers to be in Canada taking this issue seriously?
    > >
    > >
    > > --
    > > sukhi
    > >
    > >
    > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com