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Old Oct 15th 2007, 2:19 pm
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:curse:What CIC do not make public, if you are intending to apply for PR whichever track the following information is an essential read.:curse:

http://metronews.ca/column.aspx?id=75054


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:curse:What CIC do not make public, if you are intending to apply for PR whichever track the following information is an essential read.:curse:

http://metronews.ca/column.aspx?id=75054


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We have/had a member on here who has been trying to battle to get his family into Canada with a daughter who has some kind of growth hormone deficiency and they refused their PR application on exactly the same grounds as the people in that article - even though the dependent daughter was due to finish her medication before they emigrated.

Such a shame to wait god knows how long to get to the point of meds and then discover that your child is inadmissable under medical grounds :curse:

To add insult to the cause Pauline and Graham battled to get their fees etc back - dont know if they ever got a refund of not
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CIC seem to do the opposit to the Federal Gorvernment any way. The government needs to bring them into check.
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CIC is the department of federal government.
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Originally Posted by Andrew Miller
CIC is the department of federal government.
When I say government I mean the Politicians. They say one thing and CIC do another Andrew. You know what I mean. Stop splitting hairs. I am bald already. HA!
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What politicians say is irrelevant. What counts is what they do and what laws they enact. Talk is cheap.
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Originally Posted by Andrew Miller
What politicians say is irrelevant. What counts is what they do and what laws they enact. Talk is cheap.
Why is it that the provincial government are more up to speed with the actual critical skills situation and are piloting PNP type schemes to encourage workers to enter the country, while the federal government don't appear to be supporting the provinces by processing more applications infact It has been well documented that Canada's processing times for PR are getting longer and longer.
With a worldwide skills shortage and an ageing working population all the G8 nations Canada included will need to step up a gear or two to attract these workers.

What is Canada doing?
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Provinces cannot do anything without CIC when it comes to immigration - whatever pilot programs Provinces launch it is always based on the agreement with federal government (CIC).

Processing times at federal level (and Provincial as well) are getting longer due to increased demand (more applicants), while supply (annual visa quotas and Provincial certificates quotas) remain relatively unchanged and will not be changed by any substantial numbers. By 2010-2012 Canada wants to have 1% of population growth coming from immigration - now we are at ~250,000+ immigrants per year, so we are doing quite well to achieve the goal in time. For example the 2006 target was 225K to 255K new immigrants (not just visas) - we achieved 251K which is quite good.

But the increase of visa quotas by 50K from current 250K over next few years will not change anything as far as processing times go. And remember that skilled workers class gets less than half of the total annual quota. With well over a million SW applications pending (statistical skilled workers application had 2.4 people in 2006) and 50% refusal rate we are talking about over 1.2 million immigrants with new applications coming in at the rate higher than annual quotas. So, what 50% of 50K increase will do to processing times of SW applications? Not a dent.

Unofficial move by the government to job sponsored immigration program (by introducing simplified application for those without arranged employment and processing cases with arranged employment with highest priority) already made huge difference - majority of SW applications with arranged employment are being processed in 6 months to about 2 years (depending from visa post), compared to 14 months to 5+ years timelines prior to September 2006.

So, obviously Canadian government is doing something right (and succeeding doing it) to reduce processing times for skilled workers in demand. Of course if someone cannot find arranged employment then it is not government's fault - so far SW applications with arranged employment are being filed in numbers sufficient to meet Canada's annual immigration targets.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Miller
Provinces cannot do anything without CIC when it comes to immigration - whatever pilot programs Provinces launch it is always based on the agreement with federal government (CIC).

Processing times at federal level (and Provincial as well) are getting longer due to increased demand (more applicants), while supply (annual visa quotas and Provincial certificates quotas) remain relatively unchanged and will not be changed by any substantial numbers. By 2010-2012 Canada wants to have 1% of population growth coming from immigration - now we are at ~250,000+ immigrants per year, so we are doing quite well to achieve the goal in time. For example the 2006 target was 225K to 255K new immigrants (not just visas) - we achieved 251K which is quite good.

But the increase of visa quotas by 50K from current 250K over next few years will not change anything as far as processing times go. And remember that skilled workers class gets less than half of the total annual quota. With well over a million SW applications pending (statistical skilled workers application had 2.4 people in 2006) and 50% refusal rate we are talking about over 1.2 million immigrants with new applications coming in at the rate higher than annual quotas. So, what 50% of 50K increase will do to processing times of SW applications? Not a dent.

Unofficial move by the government to job sponsored immigration program (by introducing simplified application for those without arranged employment and processing cases with arranged employment with highest priority) already made huge difference - majority of SW applications with arranged employment are being processed in 6 months to about 2 years (depending from visa post), compared to 14 months to 5+ years timelines prior to September 2006.

So, obviously Canadian government is doing something right (and succeeding doing it) to reduce processing times for skilled workers in demand. Of course if someone cannot find arranged employment then it is not government's fault - so far SW applications with arranged employment are being filed in numbers sufficient to meet Canada's annual immigration targets.
So what you are saying is that if CIC received no further applications it would take at least four years just to catch up on the backlog? and in real terms any PR application will take 3 to 4 years before any processing starts.
One assumes current SW on WP that are provincial nominee's will still be placed on top of the pile (PR 6 to 18 months), whilst their home country counterparts applying directly for PR are being left to wait more than 4 years.
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Exactly, if not much longer for simplified apps. For example those who submit simplified SW application to London receive AOR letter telling them that it will be about 49 months before they are asked for full application package.

Sorry, but everyone who really wants to move here finds the arranged employment and thus gets the priority processing for PR app.

Over 110,000 work permit holders enter Canada each year (with families it is in average 250,000 people). If only half of them decide to apply for PR they will take entire annual visas quota for SW class.
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Originally Posted by Journeyman Electrician
What CIC do not make public,
BTW, CIC made it public in early September:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resourc...tins/ob037.asp
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Exactly, if not much longer for simplified apps. For example those who submit simplified SW application to London receive AOR letter telling them that it will be about 49 months before they are asked for full application package.

Sorry, but everyone who really wants to move here finds the arranged employment and thus gets the priority processing for PR app.

Over 110,000 work permit holders enter Canada each year (with families it is in average 250,000 people). If only half of them decide to apply for PR they will take entire annual visas quota for SW class.
Yep.
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On appeal, the Supreme Court of Canada sided with the families and rejected CIC’s “cookie cutter” approach, which “impedes entry for all persons who are intellectually disabled, regardless of family support or assistance.”
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If only he was female, black and a lesbian, he would tick all the boxes for equal ops!
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