Originally Posted by JAJ

Interesting, though, that Visa, Amex and MasterCard and/or their member banks do not normally take 180 days to process a renewal.

Originally Posted by JAJ

Which just means that CIC have chosen to omit information.

CIC omit a lot of information on their website.


Except that everyone knows that Air Canada say a visa-waiver passport, on its own, is acceptable. As for other airlines, how many have actually refused to accept a passport as a travel document. Really.

And this is the crux of the matter CIC state one thing, AC say another and the IRPA Acts & Regs imply something else. Airlines can basically refuse boarding to anyone if they choose or find a reason. One way tickets seem to be a determining factor and have an element of risk and the airlines dont like people being refused as in most cases they will be on the hook for taking them back. Somebody showing a PR card is less likely to be refused entry into Canada (cannot be refused entry legally) than someone with a non TRV passport on a one way ticket. I agree its a stoopid understood rule but CIC insist on stating the PR card must be shown when travelling by a commercial carrier. I know what Reg 259 in particular (f) says but expecting an airline employee to understand that fully is asking a lot. The Act also says that a person outside Canada without a PR card is deemed not to be a PR as per this
Status document
31. (1) A permanent resident and a protected person shall be provided with a document indicating their status.

Marginal note:Effect
(2) For the purposes of this Act, unless an officer determines otherwise

(a) a person in possession of a status document referred to in subsection (1) is presumed to have the status indicated; and

(b) a person who is outside Canada and who does not present a status document indicating permanent resident status is presumed not to have permanent resident status.

So the airline (some airlines) contrary to what Reg 259 says no PR card then not a PR so we MIGHT not board you even though they have a non TRV passport. CIC needs to get its Act together. As a CBSA I couldnt give a toss one way or the other as if the PR without a PR card manages to get on the plane then they are no longer a risk as a simple FOSS/GCMS check will reveal PR status so therefore have the right to enter Canada.


Interesting, though, that Visa, Amex and MasterCard and/or their member banks do not normally take 180 days to process a renewal.

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian

I agree its disgusting that CIC are taking this amount of time to issue a new PR card but Im sure it has nothing to do with them clamping down and checking and having over a 1000 employees laid off and possibly more to come. Just look at other processing times such as PNP, Citizenship etc etc they have all increased. One wonders why.

Originally Posted by JAJ

It may be a deliberate policy.
Or simple underfunding. Which could be resolved by raising the fee to cover costs. I expect that many people would pay a multiple of the C$50 fee to receive a card back in 2 weeks. The equivalent process in Australia normally takes that time (or less), but costs over A$300.