Ph engineers licence -? In Ontario
Sep 30th 2001, 7:12 pm
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Hi,
I am planning to apply for canadian immigration independent class visa..in few months
.. I am from having 2 + years og IT experience and in field of computer networking
and internet technology .
Can any body advice on the following points.
*** Which one is the Suitable place in Canada to stay for IT industries especially in
the field of Internet Technologies. ?
**** If Toronto and Ottawa what i can guess are the bestoption then, Do i require
to take license to work as Network Engineer from some Profeesional regulatory
authority ..?
**** PH engg is the licence of this kind ...do i need to apply for it before i apply
Immigration application.
Thanks in Advance,
Regards, laheree
I am planning to apply for canadian immigration independent class visa..in few months
.. I am from having 2 + years og IT experience and in field of computer networking
and internet technology .
Can any body advice on the following points.
*** Which one is the Suitable place in Canada to stay for IT industries especially in
the field of Internet Technologies. ?
**** If Toronto and Ottawa what i can guess are the bestoption then, Do i require
to take license to work as Network Engineer from some Profeesional regulatory
authority ..?
**** PH engg is the licence of this kind ...do i need to apply for it before i apply
Immigration application.
Thanks in Advance,
Regards, laheree
Sep 30th 2001, 7:23 pm
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I.T. is NOT a licensed field. There is no need for licensure yet. While in the rest
of the world, you are doing Network Engineering, in Canada you could be
described as a Network and Internet Technologist/Specialist/Consultant
eliminating the confusion of maybe needing a license with the term Engineer.
The Professional engineering bodies are looking very suspciously at IT as possibly
requiring licensure, but it's not there yet, and at the moment the way to avoid this
is to avoid the term "engineer" in your job title and description of your position.
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of the world, you are doing Network Engineering, in Canada you could be
described as a Network and Internet Technologist/Specialist/Consultant
eliminating the confusion of maybe needing a license with the term Engineer.
The Professional engineering bodies are looking very suspciously at IT as possibly
requiring licensure, but it's not there yet, and at the moment the way to avoid this
is to avoid the term "engineer" in your job title and description of your position.
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Sep 30th 2001, 8:05 pm
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"Laheree" wrote:
> I am planning to apply for Canadian immigration independent class visa..in few
> months .. I am from having 2 + years og IT experience and in field of computer
> networking and internet technology . . . . Do i require to take license to work
> as Network Engineer . . . ? do i need to apply for it before i apply
> Immigration application.
If you are actually designing network cards, etc., then you might need to be a
licensed Professional Engineer (P.Eng). But most computer hardware/software
professionals do NOT need a P.Eng. in order to work in Canada.
Even if your current job title has the word "engineer" in it, the corresponding
Canadian job title will almost certainly =not= use this word. The various provincial
engineering societies in Canada have, for several years now, been putting intense
pressure on Canadian employers (including threats of legal action) to get them not to
use the word "engineer" to describe any position that does not literally require a
licensed P.Eng.
Each province and territory has its own professional engineering society. Ontario's,
for instance, is at: http://www.peo.on.ca
As far as I'm aware, it is absolutely NOT possible to get a P.Eng. licence before you
come to Canada.
Rich Wales [email protected] http://www.webcom.com/richw/
*NOTE: I've lived in both Canada and the US and have dual citizenship.
*DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer, professional immigration consultant,
or consular officer. My comments are for discussion purposes only and
are not intended to be relied upon as legal or professional advice.
> I am planning to apply for Canadian immigration independent class visa..in few
> months .. I am from having 2 + years og IT experience and in field of computer
> networking and internet technology . . . . Do i require to take license to work
> as Network Engineer . . . ? do i need to apply for it before i apply
> Immigration application.
If you are actually designing network cards, etc., then you might need to be a
licensed Professional Engineer (P.Eng). But most computer hardware/software
professionals do NOT need a P.Eng. in order to work in Canada.
Even if your current job title has the word "engineer" in it, the corresponding
Canadian job title will almost certainly =not= use this word. The various provincial
engineering societies in Canada have, for several years now, been putting intense
pressure on Canadian employers (including threats of legal action) to get them not to
use the word "engineer" to describe any position that does not literally require a
licensed P.Eng.
Each province and territory has its own professional engineering society. Ontario's,
for instance, is at: http://www.peo.on.ca
As far as I'm aware, it is absolutely NOT possible to get a P.Eng. licence before you
come to Canada.
Rich Wales [email protected] http://www.webcom.com/richw/
*NOTE: I've lived in both Canada and the US and have dual citizenship.
*DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer, professional immigration consultant,
or consular officer. My comments are for discussion purposes only and
are not intended to be relied upon as legal or professional advice.
Sep 30th 2001, 11:32 pm
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Hi:
The following is the NOC description for Computer Engineers:
2147 Computer Engineers
Computer Engineers research, plan, design, develop and test computers and related
equipment, and design and develop software for engineering and industrial
applications. Computer hardware engineers are employed by computer manufacturers, by
a range of industries and by government, educational and research institutions.
Software engineers are employed by companies which manufacture and market software
products; by companies which devise embedded software for inclusion in other
products, such as computers, telecommunications equipment and networks, aerospace
products and instrumentation and control products; by consulting companies providing
software-related information technology services; and by government, educational and
research institutions. Examples of titles classified in this group Computer
applications engineer, Computer engineer, Computer hardware engineer, Computer
software engineer, Computer systems engineer, Hardware engineer, Software engineer,
Systems design engineer, Systems engineer All Job Titles:
Main Duties Computer hardware engineers perform some or all of the following duties:
Plan, design and coordinate the development of computers and related equipment
Supervise and inspect the installation, modification and testing of computers and
related equipment
Supervise drafters, technicians, technologists and other engineers.
Software engineers perform some or all of the following duties:
Analyze the requirements for the application of computer technology in real-time
environments for process or machine control, instrumentation, robotics,
telecommunications, environmental monitoring, remote sensing, medical and related
engineering, scientific and industrial applications
Design and develop or co-ordinate the development, testing and implementation of
computer languages and computer software packages
Supervise the work of programmers, technologists and technicians and other
engineering and scientific personnel.
Employment Requirements
Computer hardware engineers require a bachelor's degree in computer engineering,
electrical or electronics engineering or engineering physics.
Software engineers require a bachelor's degree in computer engineering, electrical or
electronics engineering, engineering physics, computer science, physics or
mathematics.
Registration as a Professional Engineer (P.Eng.) by a provincial or territorial
association of professional engineers is sometimes required for employment and to
practice as a computer engineer.
In Quebec, membership in the professional corporation for engineers is mandatory.
Supervisory and senior positions in this unit group require experience.
Similar Occupations Classified Elsewhere Computer Programmers (2163) Computer Systems
Analysts (2162) Electrical and Electronics Engineers (2133) Engineering Managers
(0211) Technical Sales Specialists, Wholesale Trade (6221)
Yours truly, Ingrid Y. Chen, B.A., LL.B.
_________________________
Webimmigration.com, Embrace Opportunity 225-141 Bannatyne Avenue Winnipeg, Manitoba
Canada R3B 0R3 Tel: 1-204-943-3303 Fax: 1-204-943-2625 Email: [email protected]
Visit our website at http://www.webimmigration.com
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The following is the NOC description for Computer Engineers:
2147 Computer Engineers
Computer Engineers research, plan, design, develop and test computers and related
equipment, and design and develop software for engineering and industrial
applications. Computer hardware engineers are employed by computer manufacturers, by
a range of industries and by government, educational and research institutions.
Software engineers are employed by companies which manufacture and market software
products; by companies which devise embedded software for inclusion in other
products, such as computers, telecommunications equipment and networks, aerospace
products and instrumentation and control products; by consulting companies providing
software-related information technology services; and by government, educational and
research institutions. Examples of titles classified in this group Computer
applications engineer, Computer engineer, Computer hardware engineer, Computer
software engineer, Computer systems engineer, Hardware engineer, Software engineer,
Systems design engineer, Systems engineer All Job Titles:
Main Duties Computer hardware engineers perform some or all of the following duties:
Plan, design and coordinate the development of computers and related equipment
Supervise and inspect the installation, modification and testing of computers and
related equipment
Supervise drafters, technicians, technologists and other engineers.
Software engineers perform some or all of the following duties:
Analyze the requirements for the application of computer technology in real-time
environments for process or machine control, instrumentation, robotics,
telecommunications, environmental monitoring, remote sensing, medical and related
engineering, scientific and industrial applications
Design and develop or co-ordinate the development, testing and implementation of
computer languages and computer software packages
Supervise the work of programmers, technologists and technicians and other
engineering and scientific personnel.
Employment Requirements
Computer hardware engineers require a bachelor's degree in computer engineering,
electrical or electronics engineering or engineering physics.
Software engineers require a bachelor's degree in computer engineering, electrical or
electronics engineering, engineering physics, computer science, physics or
mathematics.
Registration as a Professional Engineer (P.Eng.) by a provincial or territorial
association of professional engineers is sometimes required for employment and to
practice as a computer engineer.
In Quebec, membership in the professional corporation for engineers is mandatory.
Supervisory and senior positions in this unit group require experience.
Similar Occupations Classified Elsewhere Computer Programmers (2163) Computer Systems
Analysts (2162) Electrical and Electronics Engineers (2133) Engineering Managers
(0211) Technical Sales Specialists, Wholesale Trade (6221)
Yours truly, Ingrid Y. Chen, B.A., LL.B.
_________________________
Webimmigration.com, Embrace Opportunity 225-141 Bannatyne Avenue Winnipeg, Manitoba
Canada R3B 0R3 Tel: 1-204-943-3303 Fax: 1-204-943-2625 Email: [email protected]
Visit our website at http://www.webimmigration.com
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Sep 30th 2001, 11:43 pm
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here are several canadian nespapers which may be helpful to you in terms of gauging
employment possibilities
globe and mail vancouver sun ottawa citizen
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employment possibilities
globe and mail vancouver sun ottawa citizen
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Oct 13th 2001, 1:36 am
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I've never heard of this. And I know tonnes of engineers, incl. hardware engineers,
and have worked in several companies. There is no such requirement. Some large
companies _encourage_ you to get your P.Eng., but it's not at all a requirement.
PEng is a joke. It's a remnant of the days when civil engineering actually
_mattered_!
It has no relevance (and little necessity) to the computer industry.
regards, ali
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"In Germany, the Nazis first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I
wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I
wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I
wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I didn't speak up
because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me...By that time there was no one to
speak up for anyone." The Reverend Martin Niemoller, I Didn't Speak Up
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I've never heard of this. And I know tonnes of engineers, incl. hardware engineers,
and have worked in several companies. There is no such requirement. Some large
companies _encourage_ you to get your P.Eng., but it's not at all a requirement.
PEng is a joke. It's a remnant of the days when civil engineering actually
_mattered_!
It has no relevance (and little necessity) to the computer industry.regards, ali
--
"In Germany, the Nazis first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I
wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I
wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I
wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I didn't speak up
because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me...By that time there was no one to
speak up for anyone." The Reverend Martin Niemoller, I Didn't Speak Up
Oct 13th 2001, 1:10 pm
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[usenetquote2]>>If you are actually designing network cards, etc., then you might need to be a[/usenetquote2]
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But your job title cannot be <x> Engineer, or else the employer can face a suit from
the PE organisation in your province. Similarly you cannot describe yourself as an
<x> Engineer for the same reason.
You can describe yourself as an "Engineer in training"
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I tend to agree it has little relevence to much of the field of engineering.
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[usenetquote2]>>If you are actually designing network cards, etc., then you might need to be a[/usenetquote2]
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But your job title cannot be <x> Engineer, or else the employer can face a suit from
the PE organisation in your province. Similarly you cannot describe yourself as an
<x> Engineer for the same reason.
You can describe yourself as an "Engineer in training"
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I tend to agree it has little relevence to much of the field of engineering.
