Which NOC do we fall into?

Old Feb 22nd 2021, 12:16 pm
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Hi Guys,
I've been speaking to someone in another forum thread about migrating and been advised to come here as some of you may be able to help. I'll give a brief overview so you can maybe get a better understanding of the situation.

My partner works within the Arboriculture (tree surgeon) field and began his career as a climber working his way up the ranks to lead arborist. He did this career for about 9-10yrs and earned his tickets (qualifications in the likes of use of fungicides, use of a chainsaw, using a chipper, safe practice, loads of other things job related) towards the latter years of this period he was taking on more senior roles aswell and mastering his craft of management within arboriculture but still spent 50% of his time on the tools.

For the last 6yrs he has been working his way through the management side of arboriculture and is now (and has been for probably 3-4yrs) the Contracts Manager overseeing a team of 30 arborists and landscapers and is incharge of the Health and Safety of the company he works at. For the past almost 3yrs (due to qualify in July 2021) he has been completing a 3 year Fdsc Degree in Arboriculture (myerscough college) which when qualified allows him to expand his skills etc further into Arborical Consultancy.

Right now his job role expects a number of things from him, sourcing work, organising his team, entering bids for council and private contacts, ensuring the maintenance of machinery, ropes etc, organising machinery needed for jobs, managing and projecting turnover, pricing jobs etc.

I have looked on the NOC list and I feel he falls into more than one category and im asking for help to decipher given his current job title of Arboricultural Contracts Manager, his qualifications and work experience which NOC would he fall into and would give us the best chance towards getting into Canada, primarily BC.

The codes I have found are as follows;
2225 - Landscape and Horticultural Specialist Skill SetB
0811 - Managers in Natural Resource Production Skill set A
0016 - Senior Managers - constructions, transport, production and utilities.

If any of you have any advice I would be really grateful or if you think a different NOC better suits then please let me know. Thanks again
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The titles aren't actually terribly relevant, what's important is what he does as his daily job and the duties of it. You need to look at each NOC code and see which of the 'main duties' he does the most of, and that would be the best NOC code for him. For him to claim a NOC code he'll need to prove he does at least half of the 'main duties', and meets the criteria in the opening paragraph, if there is another NOC that fits his duties better then his app may be refused.

I can't imagine it would be 0016 from what you've said, another one to chuck in to the mix to check would be 8255? So have a check of them all and see which he can tick the most boxes on, and go with that one. Then you can work out a visa route and see if he's scoring enough etc.

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Ah ok yeah I thought as much but some of the titles didn't fit but the duties did if that make sense. If duties are looked at more than the title then that makes it easier for us to figure out. When he's home from work tonight we will sit down together and go through them and narrow it down. I did see 8225 and forgot to put it on the list 🙄

Thanks for clarifying for me 🙌
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Do bear in mind that any qualifications he has in the UK - such as health and safety, chain saw, etc., may not be recognised in Canada. His (vocational) foundation degree course may not be recognised either (for work purposes). Canada is all about pieces of paper..

Some Arborist job titles may be a regulated profession in Canada and he might need to be certified to work here.. check the jobbank links for details of regulatory bodies.
https://www.jobbank.gc.ca/marketrepo...ments/22551/ca

For example - he may need to challenge to obtain certification on the basis of prior experience for:
Faller Certification: - https://www.bcforestsafe.org/trainin...ification.html
(more information : https://horteducation.ca/bc-falling-...d-credentials/
'Climbing Arborist: - https://www.itabc.ca/program/climbing-arborist
Arborist Technician: - https://www.itabc.ca/program/arborist-technician
Field Arborist: - https://www.itabc.ca/program/field-arborist

He may be expected to be ISA Certified, particularly if he hopes to go into management roles - https://www.isa-arbor.com/Credential...-Right-for-You
He might want to consider a Wildlife Dangerous Tree course - https://www2.unbc.ca/continuing-stud...ficate-program

There's also these NOC's
Forestry workers 2223 - https://www.jobbank.gc.ca/marketrepo...ments/17904/ca
Forest Professionals > 2121, 2122, https://www.jobbank.gc.ca/marketrepo...ements/2733/ca
https://abcfp.ca/web


As an aside - as Arborist is considered a Trade in British Columbia, if he can prove experience in anything under Major Group 82 - such as..
8211 Supervisors, Logging and Forestry industry -
8241 - Logging Machine Operator
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...ed-trades.html
Major Group 82, supervisors and technical jobs in natural resources, agriculture and related production
.. he could apply under the Federal Skilled Worker (Trades) Express Entry - which has a much lower point requirement.

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Originally Posted by Siouxie View Post
Do bear in mind that any qualifications he has in the UK - such as health and safety, chain saw, etc., may not be recognised in Canada. His (vocational) foundation degree course may not be recognised either (for work purposes). Canada is all about pieces of paper..

Some Arborist job titles may be a regulated profession in Canada and he might need to be certified to work here.. check the jobbank links for details of regulatory bodies.
https://www.jobbank.gc.ca/marketrepo...ments/22551/ca

For example - he may need to challenge to obtain certification on the basis of prior experience for:
Faller Certification: - https://www.bcforestsafe.org/trainin...ification.html
(more information : https://horteducation.ca/bc-falling-...d-credentials/
'Climbing Arborist: - https://www.itabc.ca/program/climbing-arborist
Arborist Technician: - https://www.itabc.ca/program/arborist-technician
Field Arborist: - https://www.itabc.ca/program/field-arborist

He may be expected to be ISA Certified, particularly if he hopes to go into management roles - https://www.isa-arbor.com/Credential...-Right-for-You
He might want to consider a Wildlife Dangerous Tree course - https://www2.unbc.ca/continuing-stud...ficate-program

There's also these NOC's
Forestry workers 2223 - https://www.jobbank.gc.ca/marketrepo...ments/17904/ca
Forest Professionals > 2121, 2122, https://www.jobbank.gc.ca/marketrepo...ements/2733/ca
https://abcfp.ca/web


As an aside - as Arborist is considered a Trade in British Columbia, if he can prove experience in anything under Major Group 82 - such as..
8211 Supervisors, Logging and Forestry industry -
8241 - Logging Machine Operator
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...ed-trades.html

.. he could apply under the Federal Skilled Worker (Trades) Express Entry - which has a much lower point requirement.
Thanks for the info Siouxie when you saying he can prove experience in anything under major group 82 and could apply under the FSW trades EE, how do we then get around this requirement he hasn't got a job offer and his certificate of qualifications were not issued by a canadian provincial, territorial or federal authority? All his certificates were issued in the UK and even if we get them assessed to make sure they're of equal value to the ones issued in Canada they still wouldnt be camadian issued or am i missing something?Sorry if I'm getting confused and making this more difficult than it needs to be 😕
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Thanks for the info Siouxie when you saying he can prove experience in anything under major group 82 and could apply under the FSW trades EE, how do we then get around this requirementhe hasn't got a job offer and his certificate of qualifications were not issued by a canadian provincial, territorial or federal authority? All his certificates were issued in the UK and even if we get them assessed to make sure they're of equal value to the ones issued in Canada they still wouldnt be camadian issued or am i missing something?Sorry if I'm getting confused and making this more difficult than it needs to be 😕
He would challenge the certification for any of various 'arborist' types - as indicated in the links given previously - go to any of the jobbank links to get the Provincial Regulatory body links and then once there, look for 'Challenge Certification/Recognize Prior Experience' -
If you have significant work experience in a trade but have never been certified in Canada, you may apply to challenge the certification.
for example, for BC:
https://www.itabc.ca/program/arborist-technician
https://www.itabc.ca/program/climbing-arborist
https://www.itabc.ca/program/field-arborist

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