Nine

I'm going to fly to visit Canada in July. Do I have to tell the
officer at the counter that we filed for (spousal) immigration? What
kind of 'problems' should I expect? I guess the walk over to
immigration is certain...

All answers are highly appreciated. Thank you!

NiNe

Andrew Miller

Always tell the truth - once your passport is scanned officer will see your
file on his/her screen anyway. Omitting information may have unpleasant
consequences, to say at least.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"NiNe" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I'm going to fly to visit Canada in July. Do I have to tell the
    > officer at the counter that we filed for (spousal) immigration? What
    > kind of 'problems' should I expect? I guess the walk over to
    > immigration is certain...
    > All answers are highly appreciated. Thank you!
    > NiNe

pkjmet

"Andrew Miller" wrote in message news:...
    > Always tell the truth - once your passport is scanned officer will see your
    > file on his/her screen anyway. Omitting information may have unpleasant
    > consequences, to say at least.
    >
    > --
    >
    > ../..
    >
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    >
    >
    > "NiNe" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > I'm going to fly to visit Canada in July. Do I have to tell the
    > > officer at the counter that we filed for (spousal) immigration? What
    > > kind of 'problems' should I expect? I guess the walk over to
    > > immigration is certain...
    > >
    > > All answers are highly appreciated. Thank you!
    > >
    > > NiNe
While I agree that one should always tell the truth, on what basis do
you believe that a Customs Officer at the PIL will have access to CIC
files by scanning a persons passport. It does not work that way. Did
you ever work the PIL or Immigration Secondary?? Are you speaking from
experience. Dream on!

Jim Metcalfe
Jim Metcalfe

Andrew Miller

Jim, it looks like you are out of the loop for too long my friend. All of my
clients visiting Canada during their PR process in past two or so years were
confirming that examining officers at POE had access to at least some info
about their pending immigration cases. When did you work last time at POE if
at all?

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

    > While I agree that one should always tell the truth, on what basis do
    > you believe that a Customs Officer at the PIL will have access to CIC
    > files by scanning a persons passport. It does not work that way. Did
    > you ever work the PIL or Immigration Secondary?? Are you speaking from
    > experience. Dream on!
    > Jim Metcalfe
    > Jim Metcalfe

    > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:...
    > > Always tell the truth - once your passport is scanned officer will see
your
    > > file on his/her screen anyway. Omitting information may have unpleasant
    > > consequences, to say at least.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "NiNe" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > I'm going to fly to visit Canada in July. Do I have to tell the
    > > > officer at the counter that we filed for (spousal) immigration? What
    > > > kind of 'problems' should I expect? I guess the walk over to
    > > > immigration is certain...
    > > >
    > > > All answers are highly appreciated. Thank you!
    > > >
    > > > NiNe

pkjmet

"Andrew Miller" wrote in message news:...
    > Jim, it looks like you are out of the loop for too long my friend. All of my
    > clients visiting Canada during their PR process in past two or so years were
    > confirming that examining officers at POE had access to at least some info
    > about their pending immigration cases. When did you work last time at POE if
    > at all?
    >
    > --
    >
    > ../..
    >
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    >
    >
    > wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    > > While I agree that one should always tell the truth, on what basis do
    > > you believe that a Customs Officer at the PIL will have access to CIC
    > > files by scanning a persons passport. It does not work that way. Did
    > > you ever work the PIL or Immigration Secondary?? Are you speaking from
    > > experience. Dream on!
    > >
    > > Jim Metcalfe
    > > Jim Metcalfe
    >
    > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > > Always tell the truth - once your passport is scanned officer will see
    > your
    > > > file on his/her screen anyway. Omitting information may have unpleasant
    > > > consequences, to say at least.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > >
    > > > ../..
    > > >
    > > > Andrew Miller
    > > > Immigration Consultant
    > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > > email: [email protected]
    > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > > ________________________________
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "NiNe" wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > I'm going to fly to visit Canada in July. Do I have to tell the
    > > > > officer at the counter that we filed for (spousal) immigration? What
    > > > > kind of 'problems' should I expect? I guess the walk over to
    > > > > immigration is certain...
    > > > >
    > > > > All answers are highly appreciated. Thank you!
    > > > >
    > > > > NiNe

Of course an Immigration Officer as opposed to a Customs officer at a
POE has access to FOSS which includes Caips info. That was not what
you said. You should be aware that Customs Officers do the Primary
Inspection on behalf of Immigration and this does not include access
to all info. The passport is swiped as you know but it only verifies
at that a MRP ( Machine Readable Passport) is valid or authentic or a
look out list. Of course now that Immigration and Customs can access
passenger lists interception of persons is a little easier. We had one
person who was ordered removed on a Departure Order from Canada
pulled off an inbound plane cause of this. The danger zone as it is
known to my Russain clients is at secondary exmination with
immigration.
To tell a perosn that by swiping his passport upon entry will result
in a Customs officer knowing all details of an Immmirgation file is
simly not true.

What Loop are you in!
Remember dissent and disagreement is healthy for all.

Jim metcalfe

Jim Metcalfe

Pmm

Hi Jim

wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:...
    > > Jim, it looks like you are out of the loop for too long my friend. All
of my
    > > clients visiting Canada during their PR process in past two or so years
were
    > > confirming that examining officers at POE had access to at least some
info
    > > about their pending immigration cases. When did you work last time at
POE if
    > > at all?
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > > While I agree that one should always tell the truth, on what basis do
    > > > you believe that a Customs Officer at the PIL will have access to CIC
    > > > files by scanning a persons passport. It does not work that way. Did
    > > > you ever work the PIL or Immigration Secondary?? Are you speaking from
    > > > experience. Dream on!
    > > >
    > > > Jim Metcalfe
    > > > Jim Metcalfe
    > >
    > > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
    > > news:...
    > > > > Always tell the truth - once your passport is scanned officer will
see
    > > your
    > > > > file on his/her screen anyway. Omitting information may have
unpleasant
    > > > > consequences, to say at least.
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > >
    > > > > ../..
    > > > >
    > > > > Andrew Miller
    > > > > Immigration Consultant
    > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > > > email: [email protected]
    > > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > > > ________________________________
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "NiNe" wrote in message
    > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > I'm going to fly to visit Canada in July. Do I have to tell the
    > > > > > officer at the counter that we filed for (spousal) immigration?
What
    > > > > > kind of 'problems' should I expect? I guess the walk over to
    > > > > > immigration is certain...
    > > > > >
    > > > > > All answers are highly appreciated. Thank you!
    > > > > >
    > > > > > NiNe
    > Of course an Immigration Officer as opposed to a Customs officer at a
    > POE has access to FOSS which includes Caips info. That was not what
    > you said. You should be aware that Customs Officers do the Primary
    > Inspection on behalf of Immigration and this does not include access
    > to all info. The passport is swiped as you know but it only verifies
    > at that a MRP ( Machine Readable Passport) is valid or authentic or a
    > look out list. Of course now that Immigration and Customs can access
    > passenger lists interception of persons is a little easier. We had one
    > person who was ordered removed on a Departure Order from Canada
    > pulled off an inbound plane cause of this. The danger zone as it is
    > known to my Russain clients is at secondary exmination with
    > immigration.
    > To tell a perosn that by swiping his passport upon entry will result
    > in a Customs officer knowing all details of an Immmirgation file is
    > simly not true.
    > What Loop are you in!
    > Remember dissent and disagreement is healthy for all.
    > Jim metcalfe
    > Jim Metcalfe

CCRA has access to FOSS for NCBs, LOOKOUTS, and any person who has had a
report written.

PMM

Andrew Miller

Jim,

Customs officers at POE have access to FOSS as well to allow them to do more
efficient (and more real) primary inspection nowadays. Scanning the passport
brings file up on the screen if passport holder has (or had) anything
pending with CIC. This is why I said that you are out of the loop my friend.
Technology is beautiful.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

    > Of course an Immigration Officer as opposed to a Customs officer at a
    > POE has access to FOSS which includes Caips info. That was not what
    > you said. You should be aware that Customs Officers do the Primary
    > Inspection on behalf of Immigration and this does not include access
    > to all info. The passport is swiped as you know but it only verifies
    > at that a MRP ( Machine Readable Passport) is valid or authentic or a
    > look out list. Of course now that Immigration and Customs can access
    > passenger lists interception of persons is a little easier. We had one
    > person who was ordered removed on a Departure Order from Canada
    > pulled off an inbound plane cause of this. The danger zone as it is
    > known to my Russain clients is at secondary exmination with
    > immigration.
    > To tell a perosn that by swiping his passport upon entry will result
    > in a Customs officer knowing all details of an Immmirgation file is
    > simly not true.
    > What Loop are you in!
    > Remember dissent and disagreement is healthy for all.
    > Jim metcalfe
    > Jim Metcalfe

    > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:...
    > > Jim, it looks like you are out of the loop for too long my friend. All
of my
    > > clients visiting Canada during their PR process in past two or so years
were
    > > confirming that examining officers at POE had access to at least some
info
    > > about their pending immigration cases. When did you work last time at
POE if
    > > at all?
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > > While I agree that one should always tell the truth, on what basis do
    > > > you believe that a Customs Officer at the PIL will have access to CIC
    > > > files by scanning a persons passport. It does not work that way. Did
    > > > you ever work the PIL or Immigration Secondary?? Are you speaking from
    > > > experience. Dream on!
    > > >
    > > > Jim Metcalfe
    > > > Jim Metcalfe
    > >
    > > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
    > > news:...
    > > > > Always tell the truth - once your passport is scanned officer will
see
    > > your
    > > > > file on his/her screen anyway. Omitting information may have
unpleasant
    > > > > consequences, to say at least.
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > >
    > > > > ../..
    > > > >
    > > > > Andrew Miller
    > > > > Immigration Consultant
    > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > > > email: [email protected]
    > > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > > > ________________________________
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "NiNe" wrote in message
    > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > I'm going to fly to visit Canada in July. Do I have to tell the
    > > > > > officer at the counter that we filed for (spousal) immigration?
What
    > > > > > kind of 'problems' should I expect? I guess the walk over to
    > > > > > immigration is certain...
    > > > > >
    > > > > > All answers are highly appreciated. Thank you!
    > > > > >
    > > > > > NiNe

Rhl_moc

if i were you, i'd just say, "i'm going to Toronto(or wherever) to do
blah blah blah"
and if they ask you, "do u have pending PR app?"
then i'd say yes.
Why bother telling them that you have PR app. pending if they don't ask?

From my experience, Windsor POE didn't really bother to scan the passport
that much. and i guess for some of my u.s. citizen friends, they just used
their birth certificates & driver's licenses so i guess they were fine to
begin with.
(a couple times they never bothered even opening my passport. my country
has visa waiver agreement with Canada. )

good luck.

"NiNe" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I'm going to fly to visit Canada in July. Do I have to tell the
    > officer at the counter that we filed for (spousal) immigration? What
    > kind of 'problems' should I expect? I guess the walk over to
    > immigration is certain...
    > All answers are highly appreciated. Thank you!
    > NiNe

pkjmet

"rhl_moc" wrote in message news:...
    > if i were you, i'd just say, "i'm going to Toronto(or wherever) to do
    > blah blah blah"
    > and if they ask you, "do u have pending PR app?"
    > then i'd say yes.
    > Why bother telling them that you have PR app. pending if they don't ask?
    >
    > From my experience, Windsor POE didn't really bother to scan the passport
    > that much. and i guess for some of my u.s. citizen friends, they just used
    > their birth certificates & driver's licenses so i guess they were fine to
    > begin with.
    > (a couple times they never bothered even opening my passport. my country
    > has visa waiver agreement with Canada. )
    >
    > good luck.
    >
    > "NiNe" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > I'm going to fly to visit Canada in July. Do I have to tell the



AM: If what you mean by being in the loop is relying on the ancedotal
information of former clients passing thru Customs and Immigration
then I guess I am out of the loop.

Jim Metcalfe











    > > officer at the counter that we filed for (spousal) immigration? What
    > > kind of 'problems' should I expect? I guess the walk over to
    > > immigration is certain...
    > >
    > > All answers are highly appreciated. Thank you!
    > >
    > > NiNe

Nine

[email protected] wrote in message news:...
    > "rhl_moc" wrote in message news:...
    > > if i were you, i'd just say, "i'm going to Toronto(or wherever) to do
    > > blah blah blah"
    > > and if they ask you, "do u have pending PR app?"
    > > then i'd say yes.
    > > Why bother telling them that you have PR app. pending if they don't ask?
    > >
    > > From my experience, Windsor POE didn't really bother to scan the passport
    > > that much. and i guess for some of my u.s. citizen friends, they just used
    > > their birth certificates & driver's licenses so i guess they were fine to
    > > begin with.
    > > (a couple times they never bothered even opening my passport. my country
    > > has visa waiver agreement with Canada. )
    > >
    > > good luck.
    > >
    > > "NiNe" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > I'm going to fly to visit Canada in July. Do I have to tell the
    >
    >
    >
    > AM: If what you mean by being in the loop is relying on the ancedotal
    > information of former clients passing thru Customs and Immigration
    > then I guess I am out of the loop.
    >
    > Jim Metcalfe
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > > officer at the counter that we filed for (spousal) immigration? What
    > > > kind of 'problems' should I expect? I guess the walk over to
    > > > immigration is certain...
    > > >
    > > > All answers are highly appreciated. Thank you!
    > > >
    > > > NiNe

Thanks for your answers.
And, PKJMET, what I meant was - of course - if I tell the Officer that
I'm visiting friends and he indeed sees in his computer that I have
pending PR app and my sponsor/husband lives in Canada, wouldn't they
be even more suspicious? I really don't want to mess with them
regarding my future plans...
Also, when I tell them that I'm visiting my husband I simply expect
the question why we're not living together. In this case I'd tell them
about the pending PR app - and, sure enough, they'd check if they are
able to.
I didn't want to extend my question in my initial post, but it would
have made it probably more clear.

NiNe

Andrew Miller

To avoid any potential problems always disclose the fact that you have PR
application pending and that you are coming to visit your husband. You will
be surprised how much such honesty is worth and appreciated.

But if you decide instead to omit information and examination leads to the
disclosure of the fact then you may be in troubles ranging from being
granted very short admission to being refused admission.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"NiNe" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

    > Thanks for your answers.
    > And, PKJMET, what I meant was - of course - if I tell the Officer that
    > I'm visiting friends and he indeed sees in his computer that I have
    > pending PR app and my sponsor/husband lives in Canada, wouldn't they
    > be even more suspicious? I really don't want to mess with them
    > regarding my future plans...
    > Also, when I tell them that I'm visiting my husband I simply expect
    > the question why we're not living together. In this case I'd tell them
    > about the pending PR app - and, sure enough, they'd check if they are
    > able to.
    > I didn't want to extend my question in my initial post, but it would
    > have made it probably more clear.
    > NiNe

Nine

"Andrew Miller" wrote in message news:...
    > To avoid any potential problems always disclose the fact that you have PR
    > application pending and that you are coming to visit your husband. You will
    > be surprised how much such honesty is worth and appreciated.
    >
    > But if you decide instead to omit information and examination leads to the
    > disclosure of the fact then you may be in troubles ranging from being
    > granted very short admission to being refused admission.
    >
    > --
    >
    > ../..
    >
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    >
    >
    > "NiNe" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    > > Thanks for your answers.
    > > And, PKJMET, what I meant was - of course - if I tell the Officer that
    > > I'm visiting friends and he indeed sees in his computer that I have
    > > pending PR app and my sponsor/husband lives in Canada, wouldn't they
    > > be even more suspicious? I really don't want to mess with them
    > > regarding my future plans...
    > > Also, when I tell them that I'm visiting my husband I simply expect
    > > the question why we're not living together. In this case I'd tell them
    > > about the pending PR app - and, sure enough, they'd check if they are
    > > able to.
    > > I didn't want to extend my question in my initial post, but it would
    > > have made it probably more clear.
    > >
    > > NiNe


Thank you, Mr. Miller, I appreciate your advice. Meanwhile the case
has slightly changed: CIC has requested additional papers from my
husband. Upon their request he told them not to process the
application until he'll be approved as sponsor. This means the
application is not pending, yet, right?