Arranged employment - refusal
Jun 16th 2003, 2:55 pm
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Arranged employment - refusal
Hi:
My prospective employer in Canada had applied for arranged employment
but got a refusal with this reason given for the refusal:
The wages and conditions are not sufficient to attract and retain
canadians
I would appreciate it if someone could elaborate on this reason.
Thanks in advance,
Neel
My prospective employer in Canada had applied for arranged employment
but got a refusal with this reason given for the refusal:
The wages and conditions are not sufficient to attract and retain
canadians
I would appreciate it if someone could elaborate on this reason.
Thanks in advance,
Neel
Jun 16th 2003, 3:07 pm
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Re: Arranged employment - refusal
It is quite normal if job offers salary in lower end or below the average
salaries in the particular occupation and in the particular location. The
rules are clear - arranged employment must offer wages and conditions
sufficient enough to attract and retain Canadian employees.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________
"Neel Metha" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi:
> My prospective employer in Canada had applied for arranged employment
> but got a refusal with this reason given for the refusal:
> The wages and conditions are not sufficient to attract and retain
> canadians
> I would appreciate it if someone could elaborate on this reason.
> Thanks in advance,
> Neel
salaries in the particular occupation and in the particular location. The
rules are clear - arranged employment must offer wages and conditions
sufficient enough to attract and retain Canadian employees.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________
"Neel Metha" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi:
> My prospective employer in Canada had applied for arranged employment
> but got a refusal with this reason given for the refusal:
> The wages and conditions are not sufficient to attract and retain
> canadians
> I would appreciate it if someone could elaborate on this reason.
> Thanks in advance,
> Neel
Jun 16th 2003, 4:03 pm
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Re: Arranged employment - refusal
Neel Metha wrote:
>
> Hi:
>
> My prospective employer in Canada had applied for arranged employment
> but got a refusal with this reason given for the refusal:
>
> The wages and conditions are not sufficient to attract and retain
> canadians
>
> I would appreciate it if someone could elaborate on this reason.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Neel
Any job that is offered to a foreigner must have the wages and
conditions that would normally be paid to someone in Canada to do that
same type of job. To pay any less or provide poorer conditions makes it
appear that either the employer is simply attempting to replace
Canadians with cheaper foreign labour, or that the job is a ruse for the
purpose of getting you into Canada.
>
> Hi:
>
> My prospective employer in Canada had applied for arranged employment
> but got a refusal with this reason given for the refusal:
>
> The wages and conditions are not sufficient to attract and retain
> canadians
>
> I would appreciate it if someone could elaborate on this reason.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Neel
Any job that is offered to a foreigner must have the wages and
conditions that would normally be paid to someone in Canada to do that
same type of job. To pay any less or provide poorer conditions makes it
appear that either the employer is simply attempting to replace
Canadians with cheaper foreign labour, or that the job is a ruse for the
purpose of getting you into Canada.
Jun 16th 2003, 7:17 pm
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Re: Arranged employment - refusal
[email protected] (Neel Metha) wrote in message news:...
> Hi:
>
> My prospective employer in Canada had applied for arranged employment
> but got a refusal with this reason given for the refusal:
>
The wages and conditions are not sufficient to attract and retain
canadians
The employer has to justify that, no Canadian National, Immigrant,
refuge etc is unemployed with the same qualifications; advertising a
job with a lower wage or conditions questions the sincerity of the Job
Offer
NK
> Hi:
>
> My prospective employer in Canada had applied for arranged employment
> but got a refusal with this reason given for the refusal:
>
The wages and conditions are not sufficient to attract and retain
canadians
The employer has to justify that, no Canadian National, Immigrant,
refuge etc is unemployed with the same qualifications; advertising a
job with a lower wage or conditions questions the sincerity of the Job
Offer
NK
Jun 16th 2003, 8:09 pm
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Re: Arranged employment - refusal
Wrong.
For arranged employment opinion there is no need to prove that no Canadian
candidate was found despite extensive national campaign - it is only
required for HRDC validation for Work Permit.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________
"Khawar" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] (Neel Metha) wrote in message
news:...
> > Hi:
> >
> > My prospective employer in Canada had applied for arranged employment
> > but got a refusal with this reason given for the refusal:
> >
> The wages and conditions are not sufficient to attract and retain
> canadians
> The employer has to justify that, no Canadian National, Immigrant,
> refuge etc is unemployed with the same qualifications; advertising a
> job with a lower wage or conditions questions the sincerity of the Job
> Offer
> NK
For arranged employment opinion there is no need to prove that no Canadian
candidate was found despite extensive national campaign - it is only
required for HRDC validation for Work Permit.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________
"Khawar" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] (Neel Metha) wrote in message
news:...
> > Hi:
> >
> > My prospective employer in Canada had applied for arranged employment
> > but got a refusal with this reason given for the refusal:
> >
> The wages and conditions are not sufficient to attract and retain
> canadians
> The employer has to justify that, no Canadian National, Immigrant,
> refuge etc is unemployed with the same qualifications; advertising a
> job with a lower wage or conditions questions the sincerity of the Job
> Offer
> NK
Jun 17th 2003, 3:03 am
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Re: Arranged employment - refusal
Thank you all for the responses. So Mr. Miller, you would agree with
poster SB
when he says
"Any job that is offered to a foreigner must have the wages and
conditions that would normally be paid to someone in Canada to do
that
same type of job"
Another question to everyone: If I can convince my employer to better
his offer, could he send in another application? Do you know of any
wage guidelines that HRDC could be using to determine the appropriate
wages? This way I can know if I have any chances as far as the
arranged employment option is concerned.
Thanks
Neel
"Andrew Miller" wrote in message news:...
> It is quite normal if job offers salary in lower end or below the average
> salaries in the particular occupation and in the particular location. The
> rules are clear - arranged employment must offer wages and conditions
> sufficient enough to attract and retain Canadian employees.
>
> --
>
> ../..
>
> Andrew Miller
> Immigration Consultant
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> email: [email protected]
> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> ________________________________
>
>
> "Neel Metha" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hi:
> >
> > My prospective employer in Canada had applied for arranged employment
> > but got a refusal with this reason given for the refusal:
> >
> > The wages and conditions are not sufficient to attract and retain
> > canadians
> >
> > I would appreciate it if someone could elaborate on this reason.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Neel
poster SB
when he says
"Any job that is offered to a foreigner must have the wages and
conditions that would normally be paid to someone in Canada to do
that
same type of job"
Another question to everyone: If I can convince my employer to better
his offer, could he send in another application? Do you know of any
wage guidelines that HRDC could be using to determine the appropriate
wages? This way I can know if I have any chances as far as the
arranged employment option is concerned.
Thanks
Neel
"Andrew Miller" wrote in message news:...
> It is quite normal if job offers salary in lower end or below the average
> salaries in the particular occupation and in the particular location. The
> rules are clear - arranged employment must offer wages and conditions
> sufficient enough to attract and retain Canadian employees.
>
> --
>
> ../..
>
> Andrew Miller
> Immigration Consultant
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> email: [email protected]
> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> ________________________________
>
>
> "Neel Metha" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hi:
> >
> > My prospective employer in Canada had applied for arranged employment
> > but got a refusal with this reason given for the refusal:
> >
> > The wages and conditions are not sufficient to attract and retain
> > canadians
> >
> > I would appreciate it if someone could elaborate on this reason.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Neel
Jun 17th 2003, 3:55 am
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Re: Arranged employment - refusal
As I wrote - HRDC will refuse arranged employment opinion application for
the job offer with wages and conditions lower than average or above average
for the particular occupation. Each local HRDC office has very good
statistics and they use it to determine if wages/conditions offered are
attractive enough or not. Some offices have those statistics available
online. But it is your employer who should know what is the low, average and
high pay in the industry, in his area and for the particular job. Again -
wages and conditions should be somewhere above the average and close to high
in order to be sufficient to attract and retain Canadians, thus to get you
positive HRDC opinion. Your employer may apply again after reconsidering the
offer he is willing to put on the table.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________
"Neel Metha" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thank you all for the responses. So Mr. Miller, you would agree with
> poster SB
> when he says
> "Any job that is offered to a foreigner must have the wages and
> conditions that would normally be paid to someone in Canada to do
> that
> same type of job"
> Another question to everyone: If I can convince my employer to better
> his offer, could he send in another application? Do you know of any
> wage guidelines that HRDC could be using to determine the appropriate
> wages? This way I can know if I have any chances as far as the
> arranged employment option is concerned.
> Thanks
> Neel
> "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:...
> > It is quite normal if job offers salary in lower end or below the
average
> > salaries in the particular occupation and in the particular location.
The
> > rules are clear - arranged employment must offer wages and conditions
> > sufficient enough to attract and retain Canadian employees.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ../..
> >
> > Andrew Miller
> > Immigration Consultant
> > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > email: [email protected]
> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > "Neel Metha" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Hi:
> > >
> > > My prospective employer in Canada had applied for arranged employment
> > > but got a refusal with this reason given for the refusal:
> > >
> > > The wages and conditions are not sufficient to attract and retain
> > > canadians
> > >
> > > I would appreciate it if someone could elaborate on this reason.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Neel
the job offer with wages and conditions lower than average or above average
for the particular occupation. Each local HRDC office has very good
statistics and they use it to determine if wages/conditions offered are
attractive enough or not. Some offices have those statistics available
online. But it is your employer who should know what is the low, average and
high pay in the industry, in his area and for the particular job. Again -
wages and conditions should be somewhere above the average and close to high
in order to be sufficient to attract and retain Canadians, thus to get you
positive HRDC opinion. Your employer may apply again after reconsidering the
offer he is willing to put on the table.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________
"Neel Metha" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thank you all for the responses. So Mr. Miller, you would agree with
> poster SB
> when he says
> "Any job that is offered to a foreigner must have the wages and
> conditions that would normally be paid to someone in Canada to do
> that
> same type of job"
> Another question to everyone: If I can convince my employer to better
> his offer, could he send in another application? Do you know of any
> wage guidelines that HRDC could be using to determine the appropriate
> wages? This way I can know if I have any chances as far as the
> arranged employment option is concerned.
> Thanks
> Neel
> "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:...
> > It is quite normal if job offers salary in lower end or below the
average
> > salaries in the particular occupation and in the particular location.
The
> > rules are clear - arranged employment must offer wages and conditions
> > sufficient enough to attract and retain Canadian employees.
> >
> > --
> >
> > ../..
> >
> > Andrew Miller
> > Immigration Consultant
> > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > email: [email protected]
> > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > "Neel Metha" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Hi:
> > >
> > > My prospective employer in Canada had applied for arranged employment
> > > but got a refusal with this reason given for the refusal:
> > >
> > > The wages and conditions are not sufficient to attract and retain
> > > canadians
> > >
> > > I would appreciate it if someone could elaborate on this reason.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Neel
Jun 17th 2003, 4:00 am
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Re: Arranged employment - refusal
P.S.
I think I didn't make myself clear enough when I wrote that HRDC will reject
job offer with wages/conditions lower than average or above average. The
term "lower" applies to both "average or above average". So, if in HRDC
opinion wages/conditions are not good enough at particular time then it will
be refused. Note that "attractive enough" at some times may mean average
while at other times well above average, depending from market conditions in
the area at a time.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________
"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> As I wrote - HRDC will refuse arranged employment opinion application for
> the job offer with wages and conditions lower than average or above
average
> for the particular occupation. Each local HRDC office has very good
> statistics and they use it to determine if wages/conditions offered are
> attractive enough or not. Some offices have those statistics available
> online. But it is your employer who should know what is the low, average
and
> high pay in the industry, in his area and for the particular job. Again -
> wages and conditions should be somewhere above the average and close to
high
> in order to be sufficient to attract and retain Canadians, thus to get you
> positive HRDC opinion. Your employer may apply again after reconsidering
the
> offer he is willing to put on the table.
> --
> ../..
> Andrew Miller
> Immigration Consultant
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> email: [email protected]
> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> ________________________________
> "Neel Metha" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Thank you all for the responses. So Mr. Miller, you would agree with
> > poster SB
> > when he says
> >
> > "Any job that is offered to a foreigner must have the wages and
> > conditions that would normally be paid to someone in Canada to do
> > that
> > same type of job"
> >
> > Another question to everyone: If I can convince my employer to better
> > his offer, could he send in another application? Do you know of any
> > wage guidelines that HRDC could be using to determine the appropriate
> > wages? This way I can know if I have any chances as far as the
> > arranged employment option is concerned.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Neel
> >
> > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> news:...
> > > It is quite normal if job offers salary in lower end or below the
> average
> > > salaries in the particular occupation and in the particular location.
> The
> > > rules are clear - arranged employment must offer wages and conditions
> > > sufficient enough to attract and retain Canadian employees.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > ../..
> > >
> > > Andrew Miller
> > > Immigration Consultant
> > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > email: [email protected]
> > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > "Neel Metha" wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Hi:
> > > >
> > > > My prospective employer in Canada had applied for arranged
employment
> > > > but got a refusal with this reason given for the refusal:
> > > >
> > > > The wages and conditions are not sufficient to attract and retain
> > > > canadians
> > > >
> > > > I would appreciate it if someone could elaborate on this reason.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > Neel
I think I didn't make myself clear enough when I wrote that HRDC will reject
job offer with wages/conditions lower than average or above average. The
term "lower" applies to both "average or above average". So, if in HRDC
opinion wages/conditions are not good enough at particular time then it will
be refused. Note that "attractive enough" at some times may mean average
while at other times well above average, depending from market conditions in
the area at a time.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________
"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> As I wrote - HRDC will refuse arranged employment opinion application for
> the job offer with wages and conditions lower than average or above
average
> for the particular occupation. Each local HRDC office has very good
> statistics and they use it to determine if wages/conditions offered are
> attractive enough or not. Some offices have those statistics available
> online. But it is your employer who should know what is the low, average
and
> high pay in the industry, in his area and for the particular job. Again -
> wages and conditions should be somewhere above the average and close to
high
> in order to be sufficient to attract and retain Canadians, thus to get you
> positive HRDC opinion. Your employer may apply again after reconsidering
the
> offer he is willing to put on the table.
> --
> ../..
> Andrew Miller
> Immigration Consultant
> Vancouver, British Columbia
> email: [email protected]
> (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> ________________________________
> "Neel Metha" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Thank you all for the responses. So Mr. Miller, you would agree with
> > poster SB
> > when he says
> >
> > "Any job that is offered to a foreigner must have the wages and
> > conditions that would normally be paid to someone in Canada to do
> > that
> > same type of job"
> >
> > Another question to everyone: If I can convince my employer to better
> > his offer, could he send in another application? Do you know of any
> > wage guidelines that HRDC could be using to determine the appropriate
> > wages? This way I can know if I have any chances as far as the
> > arranged employment option is concerned.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Neel
> >
> > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
> news:...
> > > It is quite normal if job offers salary in lower end or below the
> average
> > > salaries in the particular occupation and in the particular location.
> The
> > > rules are clear - arranged employment must offer wages and conditions
> > > sufficient enough to attract and retain Canadian employees.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > ../..
> > >
> > > Andrew Miller
> > > Immigration Consultant
> > > Vancouver, British Columbia
> > > email: [email protected]
> > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > "Neel Metha" wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Hi:
> > > >
> > > > My prospective employer in Canada had applied for arranged
employment
> > > > but got a refusal with this reason given for the refusal:
> > > >
> > > > The wages and conditions are not sufficient to attract and retain
> > > > canadians
> > > >
> > > > I would appreciate it if someone could elaborate on this reason.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > Neel
Jun 17th 2003, 1:54 pm
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Re: Arranged employment - refusal
Mr. Miller,
I went to this website (mostly dead links):
http://www.hrdc-drhc.gc.ca/common/employr.shtml#market
I am trying to negotiate "arranged employment" with some CA employers.
I have left over questions here:
Is there any definite guideline for "just right" salary caps from HRDC
specially in Information Technology? (websites, publications,
handbooks, etc)
My understanding is job market condition may vary from one province to
another.
Is that right?
Will the anemic IT job market everywhere in Canada translate to not so
"attractive enough" that HRDC may refuse arranged employment should my
potential employers apply?
Thank You in advance
I went to this website (mostly dead links):
http://www.hrdc-drhc.gc.ca/common/employr.shtml#market
I am trying to negotiate "arranged employment" with some CA employers.
I have left over questions here:
Is there any definite guideline for "just right" salary caps from HRDC
specially in Information Technology? (websites, publications,
handbooks, etc)
My understanding is job market condition may vary from one province to
another.
Is that right?
Will the anemic IT job market everywhere in Canada translate to not so
"attractive enough" that HRDC may refuse arranged employment should my
potential employers apply?
Thank You in advance
Jun 17th 2003, 2:19 pm
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Re: Arranged employment - refusal
Job market varies not only between Provinces but also from city to city. And
of course a lot depends from particular occupation.
Each local HRDC office has exact data of low, average and high salaries in
each occupation within their area of responsibility and your employer (or
yourself) must do the homework first (if willing to give you helping hand)
and find out what are those salary ranges. Some local HRDC offices have
their data available on the Internet while others don't.
I'm sorry but I simply can't give you here all information on a silver
plate - you need to hire someone, depend on employer or do it yourself.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________
"ABW" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mr. Miller,
> I went to this website (mostly dead links):
> http://www.hrdc-drhc.gc.ca/common/employr.shtml#market
> I am trying to negotiate "arranged employment" with some CA employers.
> I have left over questions here:
> Is there any definite guideline for "just right" salary caps from HRDC
> specially in Information Technology? (websites, publications,
> handbooks, etc)
> My understanding is job market condition may vary from one province to
> another.
> Is that right?
> Will the anemic IT job market everywhere in Canada translate to not so
> "attractive enough" that HRDC may refuse arranged employment should my
> potential employers apply?
> Thank You in advance
of course a lot depends from particular occupation.
Each local HRDC office has exact data of low, average and high salaries in
each occupation within their area of responsibility and your employer (or
yourself) must do the homework first (if willing to give you helping hand)
and find out what are those salary ranges. Some local HRDC offices have
their data available on the Internet while others don't.
I'm sorry but I simply can't give you here all information on a silver
plate - you need to hire someone, depend on employer or do it yourself.
--
../..
Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________
"ABW" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mr. Miller,
> I went to this website (mostly dead links):
> http://www.hrdc-drhc.gc.ca/common/employr.shtml#market
> I am trying to negotiate "arranged employment" with some CA employers.
> I have left over questions here:
> Is there any definite guideline for "just right" salary caps from HRDC
> specially in Information Technology? (websites, publications,
> handbooks, etc)
> My understanding is job market condition may vary from one province to
> another.
> Is that right?
> Will the anemic IT job market everywhere in Canada translate to not so
> "attractive enough" that HRDC may refuse arranged employment should my
> potential employers apply?
> Thank You in advance
Jun 17th 2003, 7:45 pm
#11
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Re: Arranged employment - refusal
Try this site for Ontario data.
http://www.on.hrdc-drhc.gc.ca/englis...elcome_e.shtml
I'm sure you could get to data for other provinces by following links
from the above page.
Neel
[email protected] (ABW) wrote in message news:...
> Mr. Miller,
> I went to this website (mostly dead links):
> http://www.hrdc-drhc.gc.ca/common/employr.shtml#market
> I am trying to negotiate "arranged employment" with some CA employers.
> I have left over questions here:
> Is there any definite guideline for "just right" salary caps from HRDC
> specially in Information Technology? (websites, publications,
> handbooks, etc)
> My understanding is job market condition may vary from one province to
> another.
> Is that right?
> Will the anemic IT job market everywhere in Canada translate to not so
> "attractive enough" that HRDC may refuse arranged employment should my
> potential employers apply?
> Thank You in advance
http://www.on.hrdc-drhc.gc.ca/englis...elcome_e.shtml
I'm sure you could get to data for other provinces by following links
from the above page.
Neel
[email protected] (ABW) wrote in message news:...
> Mr. Miller,
> I went to this website (mostly dead links):
> http://www.hrdc-drhc.gc.ca/common/employr.shtml#market
> I am trying to negotiate "arranged employment" with some CA employers.
> I have left over questions here:
> Is there any definite guideline for "just right" salary caps from HRDC
> specially in Information Technology? (websites, publications,
> handbooks, etc)
> My understanding is job market condition may vary from one province to
> another.
> Is that right?
> Will the anemic IT job market everywhere in Canada translate to not so
> "attractive enough" that HRDC may refuse arranged employment should my
> potential employers apply?
> Thank You in advance
