Thomas

Hi All,

I'm a bit confused.
Early June 2002, I applied as indepedent skilled worker.
I included copies of PR stamps of my parents who're living in Canada.

Yesterday, I got a reply which says I don't have enough points.
The Adaptability factor was given a zero!

Am I missing something here??

Thanks.

Goldfinger

"Thomas" wrote in message
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    > Hi All,
    > I'm a bit confused.
    > Early June 2002, I applied as indepedent skilled worker.
    > I included copies of PR stamps of my parents who're living in Canada.
    > Yesterday, I got a reply which says I don't have enough points.
    > The Adaptability factor was given a zero!

You should get 5 points from your parents, unless they just live here as
visitors instead of PR or citizens.

Andrew Miller

It is hard to say why you didn't get points for relatives in Canada, but
there are only 2 possible reasons:

1. You didn't prove that your parents live in Canada - passport stamps from
the time of landing prove nothing. If your parents are not residing in
Canada then you are not entitled for points for relatives.

2. Officer made a mistake and such may be corrected by visa post if properly
addressed.

Are you sure that with 5 points for relatives you would reach or exceed
required 75 points? How many points in total officer gave you (as per
refusal letter)?

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Thomas" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hi All,
    > I'm a bit confused.
    > Early June 2002, I applied as indepedent skilled worker.
    > I included copies of PR stamps of my parents who're living in Canada.
    > Yesterday, I got a reply which says I don't have enough points.
    > The Adaptability factor was given a zero!
    > Am I missing something here??
    > Thanks.

Thomas

Thanks for the reply.

I got 72 points. Adaptability nil.
How do I prove my folks' residence in Canada?
Shall I get copies of utility or tax bills from them?


Thomas.

"Andrew Miller" wrote in message news:...
    > It is hard to say why you didn't get points for relatives in Canada, but
    > there are only 2 possible reasons:
    >
    > 1. You didn't prove that your parents live in Canada - passport stamps from
    > the time of landing prove nothing. If your parents are not residing in
    > Canada then you are not entitled for points for relatives.
    >
    > 2. Officer made a mistake and such may be corrected by visa post if properly
    > addressed.
    >
    > Are you sure that with 5 points for relatives you would reach or exceed
    > required 75 points? How many points in total officer gave you (as per
    > refusal letter)?
    >
    > --
    >
    > ../..
    >
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________

Andrew Miller

Driver's licenses, health cards, utility bills, etc. should provide
sufficient proof. Send everything to visa post with the polite request to
re-open your file and correct officer's mistake. Do it fast. It may not work
though as it was your obligation to prove everything with the application.
But you won't know without trying..., good luck.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Thomas" wrote in message
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    > Thanks for the reply.
    > I got 72 points. Adaptability nil.
    > How do I prove my folks' residence in Canada?
    > Shall I get copies of utility or tax bills from them?
    > Thomas.
    > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:...
    > > It is hard to say why you didn't get points for relatives in Canada, but
    > > there are only 2 possible reasons:
    > >
    > > 1. You didn't prove that your parents live in Canada - passport stamps
from
    > > the time of landing prove nothing. If your parents are not residing in
    > > Canada then you are not entitled for points for relatives.
    > >
    > > 2. Officer made a mistake and such may be corrected by visa post if
properly
    > > addressed.
    > >
    > > Are you sure that with 5 points for relatives you would reach or exceed
    > > required 75 points? How many points in total officer gave you (as per
    > > refusal letter)?
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________

Thomas

Thanks for the advice.

I don't remember seeing anything on the guidance documents that says
one must prove the relation's residence in Canada.
The emphasis was always on proving the relationship itself.

Also the officer's reply could have been more specific.
It only stated: "Under Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, the
elements for which to assess adaptability points are specified and
you do not meet any of those criteria and thus receive 0 points for
this factor"
I suppose it is just a pre-formatted statement.

Thomas.



"Andrew Miller" wrote in message news:...
    > Driver's licenses, health cards, utility bills, etc. should provide
    > sufficient proof. Send everything to visa post with the polite request to
    > re-open your file and correct officer's mistake. Do it fast. It may not work
    > though as it was your obligation to prove everything with the application.
    > But you won't know without trying..., good luck.

Andrew Miller

Wrong - you had to prove that you have relatives **residing in Canada**, who
are either Canadian citizens or PR. You had to prove all factors - blood
relation to claimed relatives as well as their status and residency in
Canada. Points cannot be awarded if claimed relatives don't reside in Canada
and without evidence of their residency officer was unable to grant you 5
points.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Thomas" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Thanks for the advice.
    > I don't remember seeing anything on the guidance documents that says
    > one must prove the relation's residence in Canada.
    > The emphasis was always on proving the relationship itself.
    > Also the officer's reply could have been more specific.
    > It only stated: "Under Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, the
    > elements for which to assess adaptability points are specified and
    > you do not meet any of those criteria and thus receive 0 points for
    > this factor"
    > I suppose it is just a pre-formatted statement.
    > Thomas.
    > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:...
    > > Driver's licenses, health cards, utility bills, etc. should provide
    > > sufficient proof. Send everything to visa post with the polite request
to
    > > re-open your file and correct officer's mistake. Do it fast. It may not
work
    > > though as it was your obligation to prove everything with the
application.
    > > But you won't know without trying..., good luck.
    > >

Thomas

You are right Andrew. I'm now trying to get further details from my folks.

But isn't it pointless to ask permanent residents for their residency?
Afterall, would they not lose their status if they're no longer resident
in Canada?

I feel like I have been taken for a ride. The guidance documents should
be updated to emphasize on the residency issue as well. Currently it seems
like one needs to 'read between the lines' to get additional info. from
these supposedly guidance documents.


Thomas


"Andrew Miller" wrote in message news:...
    > Wrong - you had to prove that you have relatives **residing in Canada**, who
    > are either Canadian citizens or PR. You had to prove all factors - blood
    > relation to claimed relatives as well as their status and residency in
    > Canada. Points cannot be awarded if claimed relatives don't reside in Canada
    > and without evidence of their residency officer was unable to grant you 5
    > points.
    >
    > --
    >
    > ../..
    >
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________

Andrew Miller

How would processing officer know that someone with just a passport stamp
confirming landing as a PR is residing in Canada and still have a valid
status? Such stamp proves nothing except fact of landing. Your parents could
have left Canada after landing and never even established residency here as
far as officer was concerned.

You haven't been taken for a ride - you just made a common mistake by taking
a minimalist approach to application package preparation. Many applicants
make the same mistake. This is why I often remind all potential applicants
using this forum that properly prepared application package should include
much more than just basic documents required in the checklist.

Every claim you make in the application must be well documented and fully
proven to have points awarded for it - so, if you want points for relatives
living in Canada then you must prove relationship to your relatives, their
status in Canada (PR or citizen) and fact that they live here.

Points are only granted for close relatives who are Canadian citizens or
permanent residents and live in Canada - all 3 factors must be proven.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Thomas" wrote in message
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    > You are right Andrew. I'm now trying to get further details from my folks.
    > But isn't it pointless to ask permanent residents for their residency?
    > Afterall, would they not lose their status if they're no longer resident
    > in Canada?
    > I feel like I have been taken for a ride. The guidance documents should
    > be updated to emphasize on the residency issue as well. Currently it seems
    > like one needs to 'read between the lines' to get additional info. from
    > these supposedly guidance documents.
    > Thomas
    > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:...
    > > Wrong - you had to prove that you have relatives **residing in Canada**,
who
    > > are either Canadian citizens or PR. You had to prove all factors - blood
    > > relation to claimed relatives as well as their status and residency in
    > > Canada. Points cannot be awarded if claimed relatives don't reside in
Canada
    > > and without evidence of their residency officer was unable to grant you
5
    > > points.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________