Visa no entry unless 2 month gap even to PIO's
Dec 31st 2009, 12:31 pm
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Re: Visa no entry unless 2 month gap even to PIO's
It is clear that there are not many people or some of the tour operators aware of this new visa policy at present.
It appears that it is affecting people that have come out of India to obtain new visas and they are not being allowed to return without having an 8 week gap.
Think the major charter companies need to be made fully aware and advise their clients as surely they are responsible to fly them to their destination on the correct visas required.
Sunglow.
It appears that it is affecting people that have come out of India to obtain new visas and they are not being allowed to return without having an 8 week gap.
Think the major charter companies need to be made fully aware and advise their clients as surely they are responsible to fly them to their destination on the correct visas required.
Sunglow.
2 MONTHS AND NOT 8 WEEKS.
Sunglow.
Dec 31st 2009, 3:05 pm
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Re: Visa no entry unless 2 month gap even to PIO's
Thats the whole idea.
People have been doing visa runs to illegally live in the country.
Its these people that the restrictions are aimed at as has been widely reported in the media recently. I refer to the american couple who have lived and run businesses in Goa for 9 years on visa runs.
As far as India is concerned if it stops these people illegally living in the country and running businesses then its doing its job. They will not and neither will the HCI have any sympathy for these people. Unfortunately everybody else gets caught in the net.
Its always up to the traveller to ensure they have the correct up to date information and visa prior to travelling to a country......the airlines chartered or otherwise will not be responsible for this. The information will filter down eventually but in the mean time it will be 'too bad how sad' for the traveller im afraid.
People have been doing visa runs to illegally live in the country.
Its these people that the restrictions are aimed at as has been widely reported in the media recently. I refer to the american couple who have lived and run businesses in Goa for 9 years on visa runs.
As far as India is concerned if it stops these people illegally living in the country and running businesses then its doing its job. They will not and neither will the HCI have any sympathy for these people. Unfortunately everybody else gets caught in the net.
Its always up to the traveller to ensure they have the correct up to date information and visa prior to travelling to a country......the airlines chartered or otherwise will not be responsible for this. The information will filter down eventually but in the mean time it will be 'too bad how sad' for the traveller im afraid.
If this is the case and this policy is designed to stop people illegally living and running businesses there then that fair enough. However, there are people that like to visit India two or three time with their 6 month visas whereby under this 2 month entry gap will be prevented from doing so.
This policy has not been thought through and needs a rethink as the British and American Governments have already advised. Otherwise the Indian tourist industry is going to suffer badly.
Would not blame the major British Tour Operators pulling out of tourists destinations such as Goa and they extend their exiting routes to such places as Thailand etc. When India is losing millions they the may just realise the error of their ways. It is so sad
Sunglow.
Dec 31st 2009, 3:34 pm
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Re: Visa no entry unless 2 month gap even to PIO's
If this is the case and this policy is designed to stop people illegally living and running businesses there then that fair enough. However, there are people that like to visit India two or three time with their 6 month visas whereby under this 2 month entry gap will be prevented from doing so.
This policy has not been thought through and needs a rethink as the British and American Governments have already advised. Otherwise the Indian tourist industry is going to suffer badly.
Would not blame the major British Tour Operators pulling out of tourists destinations such as Goa and they extend their exiting routes to such places as Thailand etc. When India is losing millions they the may just realise the error of their ways. It is so sad
Sunglow.
This policy has not been thought through and needs a rethink as the British and American Governments have already advised. Otherwise the Indian tourist industry is going to suffer badly.
Would not blame the major British Tour Operators pulling out of tourists destinations such as Goa and they extend their exiting routes to such places as Thailand etc. When India is losing millions they the may just realise the error of their ways. It is so sad
Sunglow.
You can still visit India 2 or 3 times on a fresh 6 month multiple entry visa even with the 2 month exclusion order in place. Obviously depends on the duration of each visit.
Most 'genuine' tourists who travel to india twice a year have at least a two month gap anyway. This will affect in the main those who want to live in India by using the loophole that visa runs have allowed.
At the minute you can travel to Goa and stay for 182 days. This is still a lot more than a lot of other countries are offering on a tourist visa. India will not back down on this IMHO and may even reduce the tourist visa to 90 days in the months to come. (its already 90 days for a lot of tourists entering India from other countries).
When you read what Douglas was saying and others as far back as 2007, it was inevitable that things like this would happen. Visas will only get tighter from here on in im afraid.
Also its important to remember that visa is not a guarantee of entry to any country. You can be turned away at immigration for a number of reasons including not having adequate Health Insurance to cover your travel duration.
Also in comparison a tourist visa for Thailand from Uk has a 60 day duration or 15 days for visa on arrival.
Last edited by Remy-Ireland; Dec 31st 2009 at 3:44 pm.
Dec 31st 2009, 8:44 pm
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Re: Visa no entry unless 2 month gap even to PIO's
Don't Agree for the following reasons;
You can still visit India 2 or 3 times on a fresh 6 month multiple entry visa even with the 2 month exclusion order in place. Obviously depends on the duration of each visit.
Most 'genuine' tourists who travel to india twice a year have at least a two month gap anyway. This will affect in the main those who want to live in India by using the loophole that visa runs have allowed.
At the minute you can travel to Goa and stay for 182 days. This is still a lot more than a lot of other countries are offering on a tourist visa. India will not back down on this IMHO and may even reduce the tourist visa to 90 days in the months to come. (its already 90 days for a lot of tourists entering India from other countries).
When you read what Douglas was saying and others as far back as 2007, it was inevitable that things like this would happen. Visas will only get tighter from here on in im afraid.
Also its important to remember that visa is not a guarantee of entry to any country. You can be turned away at immigration for a number of reasons including not having adequate Health Insurance to cover your travel duration.
Also in comparison a tourist visa for Thailand from Uk has a 60 day duration or 15 days for visa on arrival.
You can still visit India 2 or 3 times on a fresh 6 month multiple entry visa even with the 2 month exclusion order in place. Obviously depends on the duration of each visit.
Most 'genuine' tourists who travel to india twice a year have at least a two month gap anyway. This will affect in the main those who want to live in India by using the loophole that visa runs have allowed.
At the minute you can travel to Goa and stay for 182 days. This is still a lot more than a lot of other countries are offering on a tourist visa. India will not back down on this IMHO and may even reduce the tourist visa to 90 days in the months to come. (its already 90 days for a lot of tourists entering India from other countries).
When you read what Douglas was saying and others as far back as 2007, it was inevitable that things like this would happen. Visas will only get tighter from here on in im afraid.
Also its important to remember that visa is not a guarantee of entry to any country. You can be turned away at immigration for a number of reasons including not having adequate Health Insurance to cover your travel duration.
Also in comparison a tourist visa for Thailand from Uk has a 60 day duration or 15 days for visa on arrival.
Yet again, you are approaching this from the "tourist" viewpoint.
All the points you make are more or less correct, but.............
This site is called "BritishExpats" and in the absence of an alternative visa, all we can apply for are tourist ones. I am sure we would all love to apply for something else, were it to be available (like it was for years and years until it was peremptorily removed)
Of course these latest stupid changes dont affect "genuine tourists", so go and defend them on a tourist forum, this one by definition is for Expats, clearly a dying breed in India where they are now (retrospectively of course, like most other legislation) ILLEGAL in any shape or form.
Unlike so many on here I am not a property owner (thank God) but I put my love and life into Goa for 17 years staying 4 months each year, rather than a couple of weeks in a "holiday home" and I am sick of being lectured on how this unjustified chaos is somehow my fault.
The only consolation I take away from this mess is that India is almost guaranteed to remain a third world country unless it is lucky enough to slip to fourth (more international handouts) and that if the chip on its shoulder grows big enough it might be able to use it to feed its starving millions that it still doesnt give a flying f**k about despite being a nuclear and space-race (ha bloody ha) power.
Happy New Year to all, and an escape from Looney-land!
Dec 31st 2009, 10:16 pm
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Re: Visa no entry unless 2 month gap even to PIO's
Here's another little gem for those 'genuine tourists' and those that have no property or visa grief - INDIA SPENT MILLIONS ADVERTISING FOR FOREIGNERS TO COME AND INVEST IN THEIR COUNTRY !!!!
They even instigated business councils in foreign countries and they certified businesses they knew were selling to foreigners - including agencies run by foreigners. They have targetted the international business and property buying markets making it possible for people to invest - then they change all the rules, apply them retrospectively, and stand to gain by what can only be descibed as what it is - FRAUD, THEFT, DECEPTION (And if you want to contest me here, I suggest you go and learn the full legal definitions of each first - and take time to examine every word of those legal definitions!!!)
I have often wondered whether this has all been a premeditated scam !
Dread - law is only law when its law !
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They even instigated business councils in foreign countries and they certified businesses they knew were selling to foreigners - including agencies run by foreigners. They have targetted the international business and property buying markets making it possible for people to invest - then they change all the rules, apply them retrospectively, and stand to gain by what can only be descibed as what it is - FRAUD, THEFT, DECEPTION (And if you want to contest me here, I suggest you go and learn the full legal definitions of each first - and take time to examine every word of those legal definitions!!!)
I have often wondered whether this has all been a premeditated scam !
Dread - law is only law when its law !
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Dec 31st 2009, 10:17 pm
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Re: Visa no entry unless 2 month gap even to PIO's
OH AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL YOU BE PEOPLES
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Jan 1st 2010, 2:49 am
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Re: Visa no entry unless 2 month gap even to PIO's
Noni you have misread my post......i said unless your visa had been stamped, clearly your friends was stamped on exiting Goa.....the visa will still be honoured if multiple entry but they will not be allowed to enter again until they have stayed out for two months.
My point being if you have returned from Goa without having your multiple entry 6 month visa stamped (no entry for 2 months) prior to the stamping on exit enforcement then i would imagine that your visa will be honoured (return within 2 months) at least until you exit again.
My point being if you have returned from Goa without having your multiple entry 6 month visa stamped (no entry for 2 months) prior to the stamping on exit enforcement then i would imagine that your visa will be honoured (return within 2 months) at least until you exit again.
BUT - when neighbours left, there was none of this 2 month visa rubbish available to them. They went to the HCI showed their return ticket and were refused entry until they had been out of India for two months. I am sorry but it is no use having higgledy piggledy rules
Make a rule and adhere to it, and let people know about it. Half the agencies don't know themselves. Like the property issue, a complete and utter bollox, no wonder people are getting annoyed on here with the Indian Government. All we want is clear and precise instructions. If we are not wanted - Fine - let us sell and go, or take out holidays elsewhere, we do not need all this hassle. Holidays are to enjoy and relax not be stressed.
Jan 1st 2010, 2:50 am
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Re: Visa no entry unless 2 month gap even to PIO's
BUT - when neighbours left, there was none of this 2 month visa rubbish available to them. They went to the HCI showed their return ticket and were refused entry until they had been out of India for two months. I am sorry but it is no use having higgledy piggledy rules
Make a rule and adhere to it, and let people know about it. Half the agencies don't know themselves. Like the property issue, a complete and utter bollox, no wonder people are getting annoyed on here with the Indian Government. All we want is clear and precise instructions. If we are not wanted - Fine - let us sell and go, or take out holidays elsewhere, we do not need all this hassle. Holidays are to enjoy and relax not be stressed.
Make a rule and adhere to it, and let people know about it. Half the agencies don't know themselves. Like the property issue, a complete and utter bollox, no wonder people are getting annoyed on here with the Indian Government. All we want is clear and precise instructions. If we are not wanted - Fine - let us sell and go, or take out holidays elsewhere, we do not need all this hassle. Holidays are to enjoy and relax not be stressed.
Jan 1st 2010, 2:57 am
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Re: Visa no entry unless 2 month gap even to PIO's
Tel: 020-3117-0590 - Fax: 020-3117-0581 - Email: [email protected]
www.fto.co.uk/operators-factfile/tour-operators/
Email the above and complain about the Visa situation. Tour operators - many have not heard of this new rule.
www.fto.co.uk/operators-factfile/tour-operators/
Email the above and complain about the Visa situation. Tour operators - many have not heard of this new rule.
Jan 1st 2010, 4:16 am
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Re: Visa no entry unless 2 month gap even to PIO's
BUT - when neighbours left, there was none of this 2 month visa rubbish available to them. They went to the HCI showed their return ticket and were refused entry until they had been out of India for two months. I am sorry but it is no use having higgledy piggledy rules
Make a rule and adhere to it, and let people know about it. Half the agencies don't know themselves. Like the property issue, a complete and utter bollox, no wonder people are getting annoyed on here with the Indian Government. All we want is clear and precise instructions. If we are not wanted - Fine - let us sell and go, or take out holidays elsewhere, we do not need all this hassle. Holidays are to enjoy and relax not be stressed.
Make a rule and adhere to it, and let people know about it. Half the agencies don't know themselves. Like the property issue, a complete and utter bollox, no wonder people are getting annoyed on here with the Indian Government. All we want is clear and precise instructions. If we are not wanted - Fine - let us sell and go, or take out holidays elsewhere, we do not need all this hassle. Holidays are to enjoy and relax not be stressed.
Jan 1st 2010, 4:45 am
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Re: Visa no entry unless 2 month gap even to PIO's
The MHA has just provided clarification of the new 2-month gap requirement here: http://mha.nic.in/writereaddata/1262...Visa311209.pdf The rule is being broadly applied to all tourist visas, regardless of duration, not just 5- and 10-year visas as originally appeared, and while there is some flexibility for genuine tourists (although the flexibility still entails inconvenience), people who have been using tourist visas, long term or back-to-back, with visa runs, to pretty much live in India are now out of luck.
Jan 1st 2010, 5:42 am
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Re: Visa no entry unless 2 month gap even to PIO's
The MHA has just provided clarification of the new 2-month gap requirement here: http://mha.nic.in/writereaddata/1262...Visa311209.pdf The rule is being broadly applied to all tourist visas, regardless of duration, not just 5- and 10-year visas as originally appeared, and while there is some flexibility for genuine tourists (although the flexibility still entails inconvenience), people who have been using tourist visas, long term or back-to-back, with visa runs, to pretty much live in India are now out of luck.
Happy New Year All, Health and Happiness for 2010,
Regards,
Remy
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Jan 1st 2010, 6:20 am
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Re: Visa no entry unless 2 month gap even to PIO's
I sort of understand the 2 month rule, when your visa has expired.
What if you want a months break, to Thailand etc, when your visa
is still alive??, if you must stay out 2 months then, thats crazy??.
What if you want a months break, to Thailand etc, when your visa
is still alive??, if you must stay out 2 months then, thats crazy??.
Jan 1st 2010, 6:34 am
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Re: Visa no entry unless 2 month gap even to PIO's
The intention behind the stipulation of a gap of two months between two visits on a Tourist Visa is to curb the abuse/misuse of the Tourist Visa. With a view to ensure that the genuine tourists are not affected by the recent guidelines, the following clarifications are furnished:
(I) Foreigners holding Tourist Visas, who after initial entry into India plan to visit another country largely on account of neighbourhood tourism related travel and re-enter India before finally exiting, may be
permitted two or three entries, as the case may be (need based), by the Indian Missions/Posts subject to their submission of a detailed itinerary and supporting documentation (ticket bookings). If they are already outside of their country of origin, they can also get such an endorsement from the nearest Indian Mission/Post.
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Trust this answers your question Steve,
Regards,
Remy
Jan 1st 2010, 6:40 am
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Re: Visa no entry unless 2 month gap even to PIO's
Almost.
Would it not be easier, and do the same job, to
say, when your 6 month multi entry tourist visa
expires, you will not be issued another for 2 months???????????
Would it not be easier, and do the same job, to
say, when your 6 month multi entry tourist visa
expires, you will not be issued another for 2 months???????????