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:rofl: Hi evryone...i see some Goa bashing going on in this forum...as a Goan obviously this is not something i am happy with. i understand that some ppl have left Goa with a very bad taste in their mouths...and i do understand why they are frustrated and angry...

i intend to advise ppl on any Goa issues they may face...so do let me know if there is anything you need to know... i am not a lawyer or anything but will do my best to answer to the best of my knowledge and common sense...

regards!:D

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Hello Goan-Friend,

Welcome to the site. Members of this forum don't Goa bash as you put it - but we ARE frustrated & angry at the treatment/injustice that has been dealt out to us. EVERYONE is aware of the 'registration' issue that you've mentioned on another thread.

As for you advising others, I can only speak for myself, BUT I would need to know you 'very well' before I sought advice from you on Goa issues which are personal to myself. :thumbup:

Infact, if you are our 'Goan-Friend' - please add your signture to the petition that can be accessed via the link shown below:

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/goahomes/


Regards

Hemingway

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fair enough...

but advice is just that...advice. thats the beauty of it. its not arm twisting of any kind..so, if it makes sense to you and u wanna utilise it, be my guest.

i might be able to bring forward a point that never occured to anyone.

so u see, its really up to you (or whoevers asking for the advice) if they wanna make use of it! :p

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Advice & opinions are different - Opinions are like ar***oles - everyone has one & they are entitled to their opinion, so do let us have your opinions on things!

Advice is a 'different kettle of fish' altogether - it can usually relate to one person's personal situation & that's what people may not want to discuss: their personal situation with a stranger. I'd want to know & trust someone before discussing a personal matter with them.

Regards

Hemingway

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I like Hemingway feel the same no disrepect to you but all of us have listen to the advise of "so called law abidding lawyers,builders and goan "so called" friends and this is the mess we are in, what makes you think your advise will be any different to theirs sorry but i am up to my eyeballs in advise and have been for the last 2 years and it has got us nowhere.
I just want to sell and get the hell out of Goa as my life is just day to day torment and not happiness as i had hoped for.

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well like u said there is advice and there are opinions... i will advise abt issues that i am certain i know the answers to. i do not charge for this as lawyers do so i have nothing to gain.

If if dont know the answers then i will tell u guys so. but i am in a position to find out things for u. again whether u wanna listen to it or not is up2 u.

And abt discussing personal matters..we just knw each othr by our profile names. i wldn't knw u if u crossed me on the street. so how does your privacy get compromised..

anyway...my offer stands..if you feel u can benefit from what i have to say..then pls let me knw..

i remain..

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I appreicate your wanting to help but i think you would serve us better by talking to the goan government and advising them on the issues that caused this problem they havent got a brain between them all,
weve had top lawyers on our cases, BBC interviews, petitions to our own government, letters to the Indian goverment please advise what more we do to solve this problem, I have deeds in my name and still i cant sell you tell me cos i dont know where to turn anymore

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you are right abt this...at the moment ppl in your position are stuck.. i am sorry abt this. the same registrars who registered your deeds when you bought the property are not registering it now when you wanna sell it.

the situation is unfair. u will have the e.d. on ur back and unscrupulous ppl wanting to buy the property from you for half of wat its worth.

the thing is the Goan Gov is aware that some FN's have knowingly bent and broken the rules in order to buy property. sorting this mess out will take time.
if you have bought your property legally, then wat do have to worry abt?

if you have been misled into buying your property illegally then this a different matter altogether isn't it?

i am aware that your government is putting pressure on the indian government to sort this issue out.

my 'opinion' is...the indian gov cannot distinguish between FN's who bought legally or otherwise and will be pressurised by the Brit Gov. So they will have no option but to regularise all these purchases..

its a matter of holding on..

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I like many did my homework before buying my home, i wouldnt invest unless i did, i brought my place on the correct visa, transfered my money the correct way, got RBI permission, signed my deeds infront of the registrar, have been before the D of E 1 year ago and have heard nothing, have been offered stupid money for my property, but i want out, i cant now afford to keep coming and going into this country every 6 months and why should i have to goans and indians living in the UK dont have to, I invested my savings in buying a property i intended to live in until i died, loved the place and made "friends" invited people from the UK to visit cos i loved the place so much.
How times have changed:- I want out the place has lost all its charm, its dirty and so corrupt they would sell their own mothers !!!!! to get a quick rupee!!!as for people wanting to visit i'd say stay away now not recommended for people who want to get conned.
And please tell me how long is it going to take to find out who brought legally, the Dof E only interviews 1 person a day and if your lucky he may turn up cos many people have gone to interviews to be told his had to go away wait for another letter, not to panjim but to Mumbai .. yet again they think we have money to throw away on trips back and froth to mumbai, oh no i forgot FN's are loaded....

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Welcome Goan_friend.

I hope you understand why peoples emotions are running high. We who have our deeds cannot sell to anybody - black, brown, or green, as having a white passport photo on the original Deeds the Register will just throw your file on the floor - fact.

Like others are under investigation.

Why are the Advocates advising wrongly, and the deeds being registered if it was illegal to purchase.
They can see in the registery office you are white, when they take your finger prints - they ask enough questions about your family background etc.

Please tell me the way you see 'buying legally'.
I love my Goan home - I just hate the hassle from the authorities.

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Poppetjay;

Its obvious that you have a couple of issues. its not just the property you're concerned abt, but also the visa situation.

can i just ask, did you ever execute an agreement to sell with the builder/property owner? wat visa were u on then?

Also, if u say that u followed all the procedures, then again i ask, wat are u worried abt? who is questioning u? wat are they asking u? if u have fulfilled all the requirements, wt makes u think u are in trouble?

Evry FN who bought land is under the scanner. So if u have been questioned, it is but natural cos evry1 is having to do this. if u have presented ur case corretly then what do u have to worri abt? y are u guys hitting the panic button?

abt the D.o.E. not turnin up and other issues, are u really surprised abt this? this is a government dept and is no diff from others in India. We indians live with this everyday. this a fact most FN's knew even before they came to live here, buy land here etc. Even when u were tourists here, did u not encounter any form of incompetency by our government depts?

And b4 u say y dont we locals do something abt government officials, i'm sorry but i dont have the strength and effort to deal with this. i will cross that bridge when i come to it.

the visa issue is a diff matter. yes it is incovinient to come back every six months..but when u compare it to the possibility of losing ur property, its not that important. dont u think?

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Noni;

the answers to your questions are obvious aren't they...you have been cheated by the lawyers and governmnet registrars and builders etc..

wat i wonder is, have any of u FN's filed criminal cases against the registrars? if they have so obviously brkn the law, then y are u not taking action against them? a builder and lawyer may be able to get away with some things.

the registrar can so obviously not get away. wat abt filing criminal cases against him, rather than civil cases?

wat do u think?

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I hope you are correct.

H.

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What is your view of Buying Legally in Goa for a FN?

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old man;

difficult question. i am not legally trained but will try...

i am not aware if the law ever said that FN's were not allowed to buy land at all.

earlier, because X visas were being granted, FN's could satisfy residency requirements (among others) and buy.

Now, because of visa restrictions etc. and government restrictions it is next to impossible to buy property..

my advice...dont even think abt it...rent if u want...thats hassle free..

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Hi Goan_Friend, welcome to the site and your offer to help with information, which I take kindly.

There are two sets of statistics which I have misplaced but you might be able to find them for me. They were reported in the Indian and UK media not so long ago:

1) The total annual sum of money repatriated to India by NRI's working and living outside India for financial years 2007 - 2008, 2006 - 2007, 2005 - 2006.........

Even if you can only find the most recent figures that would be a help.:thumbup:

2) The amount of financial aid given to India by HM Government UK for each of the past number of financial years. Also, the projected target for aid to India by the UK for the current and forthcoming years. You should be able to find this somewhere within the statistics of the UK Foreign & Commonwealth Office, or perhaps in Hansard.

I know these are not property related questions, but they have been niggling me because I remember the news articles but forgot to save them at the time.

Many thanks.

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Also, how do I get the very nice lady in charge at the PWD, Porvorim to accept my file for the change of name on the water account into my name.

This is a very large file for what you would assume is a straightforward procedure.

It contains a sworn affadavit (confirming identity, address, supply number, residency, personal liability for all water connections and charges), notarised copies of Residents Permit, registered property Sale Deeds, Passport, Visa, formal application forms for change of name correctly completed and indemnifying PWD and Goa State Government of all liabilities, and personal letter asking for the good ladies' 'most kind consideration and uptake of her valuable time in regard to this matter'.

What does she mean when she says 'I can help you, if you help me'?

I have been to the Department Office, PWD many times and spent many hours, infact days. This good lady seems always to be in need of help.

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Yes but when you had a 5 year x 182 days residency transferred money correctly and still get investigated and are left in limbo.

People keep on about LAND. We have not bought acres or LAND just small apartments/villas.

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Same question Goan Friend with the Electricity board, file made up exactly like above been sitting there three years. Every year go to see them still not in our name - now think why waste my holiday.

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That's right Old Man. I think the electricity people want the same kind of help as the lady in the water department offices. Help, spelt with a capital £ of course.

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Babu1;

in reponse to your first question.

1. How much money have NRI's repatriated back to India. I got this on the RBI site and am giving u the direct link.

http://www.rbi.org.in/scripts/Annual...ns.aspx?Id=876

2. The Uk has DFID. Department for international development that donate money/run charity programs in India. they are aiming to spend around 825million pounds in india over the next three years.

I think it's quite obvious what kind of help the lady in the PWD wants isn't it? do u think that i will have a different answer than wat the obvious one is?
anyway maybe it wld help if

1.u could speak to mr. churchill alemao, minister for pwd.
2. write a letter to the editors of local newspapers naming the lady and shaming her into doing the job for u.
3. invoke the rti act and put her in a spot. ask how long does it take for a file to be cleared.
4. go over her head and speak to her boss about this.

if u dont wanna pay a bribe then these are the options open to u.
i dont know but from you profile name u seem to be indian. i could be wrong.
anyway my point is that we are used to these things in india. in fact we are jaded and these things do not shock us nemore.

we dont like it anymore than any FN's. maybe you have a solution?

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sorry forgot to give u the link to dfid information.

http://ukinindia.fco.gov.uk/en/working-with-india/dfid

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old man and catpat;

it must be lovely back in the UK where accountability in government depts is paramount and evry1 does their jobs when they need to and everything moves like a greased lightning isn't it?

y dnt things work the same way here? right?

welcome to india my friends. welcome to a 3rd world country. i am not making excuses. i am stating reality. i am stating facts. you would have issues no matter where in the world u went and retired or lived..

obviously we are discussing goa n india cos u are here right nw. so yes, u can crib abt it and moan abt it. unfortunately u also have to live and deal with it.

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old man;

abt post no 18.

yes i am aware that every one says 'land.' this also includes flats, villas and old portuguese houses etc.

like i told some earlier, if u have done everything 'legally', wat are u worrying abt? why are u in 'limbo'? wat requirements have u not fulfilled? until all the cases are investigated the government is not going to approve any sales transfers etc...

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Goan_Friend, sincere thanks for the info and links, will follow them up.

Appreciate your time, advice and fair comment.:thumbup:

I think the much vaunted term 'land' gets under the skin of foreigners because it is deliberately emotive to Goans and reinforces a misconception that foreigners have bought up Goa's 'precious land massses' as MP Shantaram Naik might rabble rouse.

The reality is much different. The total square metres of mainly apartments and villas bought by foreigners in Goa, if added up, would amount to an inconsequential amount, a toeprint on the land mass of Goa (if the politicians and xenophobes would come clean about their own illegal and quasi legal landbanking).

The only instance of large scale land purchases which have come to light are the three plots in Morjim (of plantation land) bought by Russians, True Axis Hotels Pvt. Ltd., and in collusion with a Goan Director of the company.

It is well understood that foreigners, even NRI's, cannot buy plantation land in India, but it is also common knowledge that the intention was to increase the value of this land massively by converting it to 'residential status', and the hand of Goan politicians in abetting this illegality was firmly implicated through the offices of the Land Department, Town & Country Planning, Panjim.

The following article makes fascinating reading, appears to be well researched, and only scratches the surface of 'the great Goa land scam' (perpetrated by Goans against the interests of Goans). Do the maths, it would save me time;

The great Goan land scam

Goa's land allocation policy to SEZs has been indicted for massive irregularities by the Comptroller and Auditor General. The list of violations is more or less a case the fence eating the crop, finds out Himanshu Upadhyaya

http://www.indiatogether.org/2009/jun/gov-goascam.htm

30 June 2009 - In an audit report tabled in Goa assembly during the last week of March 2009, the supreme audit institution - Comptroller and Auditor General of India - has once again pronounced critical remarks on SEZs, this time around on massive irregularities in land allotments by Goa Industrial Development Corporation (GIDC) to SEZ promoters.

The main opposition party (BJP) as well as resistance movements against SEZs were quick to grasp the moment putting forward a demand for CBI probe and criminal inquiry. The CAG audit report had probed into land allotments to Dona Paula IT Park on the outskirts of Panaji (2,85,296 square metres), the Quintol Food Park (4,19,000 square metres) and seven SEZs (38,41,000 square metres) as part of the performance audit of government companies.

On closer examination what emerges is an even more worrisome problem. Land acquired in past for 'public purpose' remains unutilised and undeveloped for years, and despite this, repeat land acquisition quests were undertaken by the government. Worse, the current legal regime has no space for handing back such land to persons from whom it was acquired in the first place.

A huge chunk of SEZ land - 24.05 lakh square metre allotted to five SEZs at Verna - was carved out of 65.81 lakh square metres of land acquired for small and medium scale industries under centrally assisted Industrial Growth Centre scheme violating Government of India guidelines.

The audit scrutiny revealed that GIDC has acquired 166.86 lakh square metres land for 22 industrial estates and 7 special projects from 1966 till March 2003. Furthermore, during the last five years alone, ending March 2008, it initiated land acquisition proceedings for another 164 lakh square metres, i.e. an amount as high as what it acquired in the previous 37 years. Logically, one would expect that if land acquisition proceedings over such a large area were initiated within such a short period, GIDC was acting with due diligence on the need and requirement of such a rapid growth in industrialisation.

However, over six years ago, CAG's performance audit report on GIDC for the year ending 31 March 2003 had remarked that, "Saleable land admeasuring 29.57 lakh square metre remained unutilised for period ranging upto 21 years since the said land was acquired". The report was tabled in the year 2004 and has not been discussed by Goa Assembly's Public Accounts Committee.

Even though GIDC was in possession of 36.57 lakh square metres of unutilised saleable land as on March 31, 1998, it further acquired 13.71 lakh square metre of land during 1998-2003, at a huge cost and without a proper market survey, found the CAG. Out of this 13.71 lakh square metres land, as much as 8.53 lakh square metre (96 per cent) remained unallotted as explained below.

The numbers show that on the one hand, GIDC was acquiring within five years, as much land as it acquired in 37 years, and on the other hand, it was not able allot 96 per cent of the saleable area of the land that it acquired during 1998-2003.

There is more.

Coming back to the more recent times, the audit scrutiny examined all allotment to SEZs and allotments of area more than 10,000 square metres individually in Verna, Kundaim, Pissurlem and Cuncolim. This amounted to 7.83 lakh square metres and the CAG noticed irregularities in 86 allotments measuring 46.24 lakh square metres, involving the loss of revenue of Rs.102.64 crore. In short, almost 91.32 percentage of all its land allotment during last five years smack of irregularities.

In the Quitol Food Park case, the CAG auditors were shocked to find out that in deviation of GIDC's established policy, it acquired and allotted 4.19 lakh square metre of land to Betul Hospitality Parks Private Limited in April 2007 in the name of 'auxiliary services to Food Park', even as it was aware that BHPL had applied for 'setting up residential resorts for upmarket tourists'.

In the Dona Paula IT Park case, the CAG auditors noticed that the state government transferred 2.85 lakh square metre of land in June 2000 to state run Goa Info Tech Corporation for setting up IT and ITES. GITC developed the land and allotted 18 plots admeasuring 2,03,757 square metres area between August 2006 and October 2007 at a premium of Rs.4600 per square metre to 14 parties. The CAG auditors scrutinised the data and observed that "incorrect assessment of market rate of land resulted in loss of Rs.9.84 crores by way of premium and thereby undue benefit to allottees of the land". Also calculating the ripple effect of the loss in term of lease rent, CAG auditors noted that the company would suffer a loss worth Rs.5.90 crores (2 per cent of Rs.9.84 crores for 30 years).

Audit of the applications and allotments in Dona Paula IT Park case revealed large scale irregularities, since out of 37 applications only 19 were from IT firms, while 18 were from Real Estate Developers. Allotments were eventually made to 5 IT firms and 9 Real Estate Developers, while rejecting 23 applications, indicating that prime land earmarked for IT and ITES was being palmed off to speculative real estate interests that too at rates arrived by incorrect assessment.

According to the CAG report, in one instance, a real estate developer - Venkatarao Infra Projects - was allotted plots without even a proper application or project report, and five developers were allotted plots by relaxing the prescribed eligibility criteria.

On the land allotments to 7 SEZs, CAG stated that GIDC allotted the land (during April-May 2006) even without publicising or following up a proper process such as invitation of expression of interest, etc., and even before the state had designed its SEZ policy. Even more shocking: a huge chunk of SEZ land - 24.05 lakh square metre allotted to five SEZs at Verna - was carved out of 65.81 lakh square metres of land acquired for small and medium scale industries under centrally assisted Industrial Growth Centre scheme violating Government of India guidelines.

CAG auditors further noticed that undue favour was extended to SEZ developers by dropping a clause that enabled revision of Annual Lease Rent (ALR) as and when premium rates are revised. Trying to argue that this was not by design, the GIDC management stated in its reply in August 2008, "revision of ALR annually was not applicable to SEZ as the entire infrastructure maintenance cost within SEZ would be borne by SEZ developers". CAG auditors stated that the reply was not appropriate as GIDC had included its rights to revise the ALR in lease deed with BHPL for land at Quitol Food Park.

The list goes on and on. A comprehensive narration of CAG's findings about GIDC will take several pages more.

In sum, the CAG reports show that Goa's fever for land acquisition appears completely misplaced. GIDC and the state government are accountable for the large tracts of land that have been lying unutilised, after allottment or acquisition. Such land could simpy be handed back to people from whom it was acquired in the name of 'public purpose', rather than it being allowed to remain in 'suspended industrialisation' mode for years and then swiftly being handed over to SEZ developers at cheaper rates. ⊕

Himanshu Upadhyaya
30 June 2009

Himanshu Upadhyaya is an independent researcher working on Public Finance and Accountability issues.

© Civil Society Information Exchange Pvt. Ltd.

Apologies, but I feel this is important enough to be on public record without edit. It certainly puts the lie to 'foreigner cartels' and their 'huge amounts of cash, buying up Goa'.

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'....the fence eating the crop...'. I like that one:rofl::eek:

Don't want to patronise those in the know, but for others unfamiliar with Indian measurement system; 1 lakh = 100,000

Therefore, 1 lakh square metres of land = 100,000 square metres of land, and so on.

Goa encompasses an area of 3,702 sq. kilometres. At the most recent Census of 2001 the population of Goa was recorded at 1.344 million residents.

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/goahomes/

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Yes, but with fairness.
We treat people from other countries like our own here in UK. We have been visiting Goa for 20 years, so knew what the people we like, but they have changed in the last five years. Perhaps it was out fault for being so generous to them. But that has stopped now.
All we do it put money into the Goan economy for six months of the year. WE ASK FOR NOTHING AND GET NOTHING - except harrassment. Here in the UK we are too generous with our Health Service and Government handouts.

Hey if we are not wanted, let us sell and leave. - but that would be a sad day for my family to leave Goa.

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Being New to this site,but following the debate I too find myself imprisoned in the vile filthy country by the fact I bought property there some years ago.Bought legally,but now in no mans land,cannot sell.
I think it is fraud visited on us by the Indians in general ie obtaining property by deception. Winston Churchill in all his wisdom in 1947 described Indians as men of straw,unfit for government ,sweet tongued but evil minded.
Nothing is right in India,fact is it is getting worse,the world moves forward but Goa especially moves in reverse,Goan identity is sat under a coconut tree with a bottle of fenny , lazy, fit for nothing idiots I often refer to them as coconut heads which just about fits the bill.
Being allowed to sell up and escape the dump called Goa will unleash hundreds of true ambassadors for India ,spreading the gospel ,anything Indian will be spat on I'm sure.
The only way anybody will escape from India is to embarrass them,take the protest where they cannot hide away from answering direct questions ie London High Commission office ,protest there,let people get arrested,tell it as it is to the courts ,let the national press get hold of the story, the Indians will want shut of this problem like xxxx off a shovel. The mindset of a typical Indian is nothing happens unless it smacks them over the head.
Even tried to cheat at the World Trade Organization agreements on tariff arrangements recently,agenda set ,but guess which country reneged on the promises within a few months Indians,I wouldn't trust my own shadow in the company of one.

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Welcome Jose and join the Club.

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Hi all, well this is most interesting, someone who wants to give free, unbiased advice should be courted and treated with respect, somebody once said about truths coming from the mouths of babes and sucklings so ask some more questions and out of the answers some seeds of truth may appear.
Oh yes and can we please use the English language and not TEXT I am too old and can't understand it all.
Thankyou
TP

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jose1;
U obviously r in a lot of pain. Tht still does not gve u d right 2 come here n insult us. Y did buy land here thn? Mayb cos u cnt afford 2 buy it bk in d uk?
I din't cme here to trade insults but i can put u in ur place if i want 2.
I wld appreciate an apology 4rm u n want d moderators 2 do somethn abt jose1's commnts.

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Goan Friend - everybody is entitled to their own opinion.
Please now - do not use text speak - your english has been excellent up to now - better than my Indian, so please go back to it. Thank you,.:unsure:

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[QUOTE=Goan_Friend;7731852]jose1;
U obviously r in a lot of pain. Tht still does not gve u d right 2 come here n insult us. Y did buy land here thn? Mayb cos u cnt afford 2 buy it bk in d uk?
Hi Goan Friend a very good question to put to all those who have purchased property in Foreign places let alone Goa.
Why do people buy outside of their own country, why do people migrate, why do people go on holiday to foreign places? Is it because they wish to broaden their outlook on life, meet and try to understand other cultures and other nationalities points of view? Or is it that in the case of migrants they feel that another country can offer them a better way of life?
People buy things for many reasons it may be for profit, it may be because it will remind them of good times they had visiting that country, it may even be that at some point they would like to migrate to that country, a country that they enjoyed on holiday and where they met people and realised that the lifestyle was one they would like to embrace.
What do you think?
Regards
TONY P

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[QUOTE=TONY P;7731937]Most people here purchased property because they loved Goa and the friendliness of the people, not for profit - it is just the way things have now turned out that people are bitter. Ours was for the inheritance of our grandchildren, who have many young goan friend and love going to their 'local' homes, visiting the schools and they now realise how lucky they are in their schools. etc.

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here is a story which relates to the goans, a scorpian and a frog walking through the desert, they need each other but they don;t trust each other, they come across a river, the frog o.k, he can swim, but the scorpian can;t, so the scorpian says let me climb on your back and you can carry me, to the frog, the frog says no way, if i do that you will sting me, no no says the scorpian, i won;t, o.k says the frog, i will carry you, but half way the scorpian stings the frog, as the frog is dying, why did you do that, we will both drown now, i;m sorry said the scorpian, it;s was in my nature to betray you, like it;s in the goans nature to betray f.n

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[QUOTE=noni;7731955]Hi Noni
I know and understand. I was just seeking an unbiased insight.

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Very true - why have the Goans turned agains us.
biting off the hand that feeds them.:curse:

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Have you Goan_Friend and Jose signed the petition with your friends?
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/goahomes

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noni;

i joined this forum because of the goan bashing i saw going on. i was told this is not the case. but from jose1's post and your reaction to it, i see see bashing is not only going on here but is being condoned by u, the moderator.

wat with comparisons made to scorpions, coconut heads and vile country et all.

have the goan people hurt u guys in anyway, or the goan government. where in the world do government actions reflect the view and actions of their people? the US and UK have a military presence in Iraq and afghanistan. how many of u Brits support this policy?

why blame the goan ppl for this mess. when FN's came in and started buying flats and property at such exhorbitant rates, local goans were left with no option. there may be 50000 goans in the UK who own land. good for them. wat abt the 1 miilion here in goa who cannot buy land in their own state because of where the rates have reached? have you considered the impact you guys have had on the property rates?