Originally Posted by noni

Charity begins at home - do you agree?

Quite interesting this (scroll down) actually what benefit is it for UK to give away so much to developing third world, particularly when we ourselves are so much in the proverbial.
Comparative figures for France are £40 million , Germany £35 million.....UK wait for it....... £785 million.
How on earth can we afford this? How can this Government justify aid to this all consuming "bottomless pit"
We have had over 50 years of giving out hand outs and all its does is perhaps save a few thousand extra people in such countries, which usually due to war, weather or famine means the good old UK has to pay to keep these extra people alive as well.
Basically we see adverts of kids having to walk 5 miles a day to get fresh water....answer to that is: move nearer the bloody well then!!!
And if their parents didn’t breed so much in places where water or food is scarce then even if the kid still had to walk 5 miles the water container would not be so heavy for them would it.
We cannot afford to morally balance the world...so why on earth do we bother....Oxfam look back at UK mainland instead of focussing thousands of miles away
Please forward this and speak about it to others. The so-called Cuts ignore the vast cost of the EU and International Aid. Nothing short of criminal.
How angry do people have to get? - Read this and weep!
HOW TRUE
We're "broke" & can't help: -
Our own Senior Citizens,
Our own deserving Troops,
Our Orphans,
And the Homeless
Etc . .. . Etc. . . Etc. . .

In the last month alone we have provided aid to: -

Haiti - again!,
Chile ,
Turkey ,
Greece ,
Pakistan - again. . ..
Amongst others
Our pensioners are living on a 'fixed income'
Receive no aid, or get any breaks, while our
Government and religious organizations pour
Hundreds of Millions of ££££££'s
And Tons of Food
ALL to Foreign Countries!

We have thousands of adoptable children who are shoved aside
WHY . . . .
To make room for the adoption of foreign orphans!!!!!!!!!!!


Great Britain - a country where we have: -
Homeless without shelter,
Children and adults going to bed hungry,
Elderly going without 'needed' medication,
The mentally ill without treatment -etc,etc.
YET...................

They are requesting donations for the people of Pakistan . . ...
A country that trains British Muslim extremists How to BOMB & KILL us!!!!

A country that ploughs millions into its nuclear programme!!!

A country with hundreds of millionaires who do sod all For THEIR own countrymen!!!.
The same country that has passed laws so these Rich people don't pay ANY taxes!!!

The same country where most of the aid sent DOES NOT reach the ones in need!!!


..and we have - Yet AGAIN . .
TV stations that are spouting WE are letting these people down!!!
Whilst OUR ships And OUR planes (laughably some are Military ones)
All lined up to fly and crammed full with:
Our food . .
Our Bottled Water!!! . ..
Our New Tents ... .
Our New Clothes . ... .
Our New Bedding .. . . OUR NHS Doctors & Nurses
And OUR medical supplies . ..
Whilst UK cancer patients are denied life saving drugs!!!
And some of our OWN - from children to pensioners - Go to bed hungry!!!

Imagine if the *GOVERNMENT* gave 'US'

The same support they give to other countries.
Sad isn't it?


Your Comments !

Originally Posted by SteveKingswear

Bipat the point is simply this, ignoring the rhetoric: but if one of your grandchildren needed a new pair of shoes and on the way to the shoe shop you noticed a child, unknown to you, that also needed a pair of shoes, but you only had enough money to buy shoes for one child, who are you going to buy for? Obviously you would buy for your grandchild, as would we all. Now substitute grandchild for UK and unknown child for foreign aid, you get the point? Simply put the UK cannot afford to lavish money on foreign aid when there is so much that needs to be done in the UK. Charity begins at home!

Originally Posted by SteveKingswear

I think you responded to the literal post as opposed to responding to the message it was attempting to put across, what money goes where etc is immaterial. The fact is that whilst in the UK there is one person sleeping rough, one pensioner afraid to turn the heating on, one child going to bed hungry then there should be no foreign aid. Just a view you understand, just a view.

Originally Posted by Bipat

The post was put there for comment.

Do you really think that the UK cannot afford to feed its children, give more heating allowance to pensioners and also give some aid to others? We haven't reached the level of the Greeks yet!!!

Originally Posted by Bipat

The post was put there for comment.

Do you really think that the UK cannot afford to feed its children, give more heating allowance to pensioners and also give some aid to others? We haven't reached the level of the Greeks yet!!!

Originally Posted by SteveKingswear

Sadly Bipat we have been there for years! Every bad winter we have pensioners die because of lack of heating, frightened to turn it on or up. Every night there are children in this country that are going to bed hungry and where ever you live in the UK go to your closest major city and you won't have to look very hard to find the homeless and of course the homeless you find on the streets doesn't include the thousands that 'sofa surf'.

If people as individuals want to give to any charity UK or foreign then that is there right to do so, however when the government are using our tax revenues to 'support' some third world African despot where the money is then filtered to some numbered Swiss account! Well that certainly wasn't what I voted for. My view is really very simple, only when we have sorted out our own social and economic problems should we consider helping others with theres.

On a personal note what I find particularly galling is that so many of the homeless in the UK are ex-servicemen that have been unable to adapt to civilian life or whose military experiences have left them mentally scarred. These people whom were prepared to put there lives on the line for us and yet in there hour of need are ignored and ultimately discarded.

Originally Posted by Bipat

As I have said above the amount and distribution of aid needs to be discussed. There are also political reasons for some of it.
If it stopped today there would still be the same economic problems in the UK and the government of the day would still be wasting money on various projects. Including some benefits as Dread has said.

Originally Posted by noni

> "The problems we face today are there because the people who work
> for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living"
>
This was written by a 21 yr old female who gets it. It's her future
she’s worried about and this is how she feels about the social welfare
system that she’s being forced to live in! These solutions are just
common sense in her opinion.
>
> Put me in charge . . ..
>
Put me in charge of benefit payments. I'd get rid of cash payments and
provide vouchers for 50kg bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese,
basic sanitary items and all the powdered milk you can use.
If you want steak, burgers, takeaway and junk food, then get a job.
>
Put me in charge of the NHS. The first thing I'd do is to get women to
have birth control implants.
Then, we'll test recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine. If you
want to reproduce, use drugs, drink alcohol or smoke, then get a job.
>
Put me in charge of local authority housing. Ever live in military
barracks?
You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair.
Your "home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions
will be inventoried.
If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your own
place.
>
Put me in charge of compulsory job search. You will either search for
employment each week no matter what the job or you will report for
community work.
This may be clearing the roadways and open spaces of rubbish, painting
and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you.
We will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your dooff
dooff stereo and speakers and put that money toward the “common
good..”
>
Before you write that I've violated someone's rights, realise that all
of the above is voluntary.
If you want our hard earned cash and housing assistance, accept our
rules..
Before you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin someones "self
esteem," consider that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone
else's money for doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered
self esteem.
>
If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at
least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current
system rewards those for continuing to make bad choices.
>
> AND While you are on benefit income you no longer have the right to
VOTE!
For you to vote would be a conflict of interest..... If you want to
vote, then get a job.

BRING ON THE REVOLUTION


I totally agree with the above!

Originally Posted by Bipat

Noni, at least Dread realised that people can be on benefits through no fault of their own.
My son's office closed he was made redundant, job seekers allowance first refused then allowed. He applied for voluntary work, letters not answered. He now has a part time menial job. His wife working for the same firm her office closes next month. They are both graduates and were working for a previous government agency, which became privatised. I am sure our grandson is entitled to free school dinners but they would be ashamed to apply. ( But we help so they will be OK).

And before you make the usual remark about "taking it personally", there must be thousands in this position through no fault of their own.
"Get a job" tell them how!! "Bad choice" ??
They have an absolute right to vote, we all have our own agendas when voting.

A quick research shows that your post originated in USA, has been adapted for UK. How do you find these items Noni??

Originally Posted by SteveKingswear

It is always very sad when someone that you know or love is affected in this way, particularly as the amount paid on benefits is so derisory! Perhaps if we weren't paying out so much in foreign aid the amount paid to those on benefits and that genuinely deserve them could be at a meaningful level.