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oktata Aug 17th 2011 3:11 am

Anna Hazare
 
Extract from Guardian article - full article here

" Tens of thousands of people took to the streets across India on Tuesday to protest against the arrest of Anna Hazare, the country's most prominent anti-corruption campaigner and more than 1,000 of his followers.
Opposition politicians accused Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's beleaguered administration, currently in the middle of its second term, of repeating draconian crackdowns of the 1970s or the actions of British former imperial rulers. "This is murder of democracy," said Arun Jaitley, a senior leader of the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).

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dreadsoc Aug 17th 2011 10:08 am

Re: Anna Hazare
 

Originally Posted by oktata (Post 9564837)
Extract from Guardian article - full article here

" Tens of thousands of people took to the streets across India on Tuesday to protest against the arrest of Anna Hazare, the country's most prominent anti-corruption campaigner and more than 1,000 of his followers.
Opposition politicians accused Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's beleaguered administration, currently in the middle of its second term, of repeating draconian crackdowns of the 1970s or the actions of British former imperial rulers. "This is murder of democracy," said Arun Jaitley, a senior leader of the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP).

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Why am I not surprised by the arrest of Anna Hazare?
Obviously the powers that be fel threatened by the possibility of being found out!

Dread - x

oktata Aug 17th 2011 12:13 pm

Re: Anna Hazare
 

Originally Posted by dreadsoc (Post 9565727)
Why am I not surprised by the arrest of Anna Hazare?
Obviously the powers that be fel threatened by the possibility of being found out!

Dread - x

corruption is so deeply entrenched in the system that indian society, government, business and what have you are worried how things will work without it ! the power that be are terrified of the transparency and accountability that anna hazares lokpal bill aims to bring ;).
imagine an India without corruption and the underground economy (black money) !

Bipat Aug 17th 2011 7:19 pm

Re: Anna Hazare
 

Originally Posted by oktata (Post 9565866)
corruption is so deeply entrenched in the system that indian society, government, business and what have you are worried how things will work without it ! the power that be are terrified of the transparency and accountability that anna hazares lokpal bill aims to bring ;).
imagine an India without corruption and the underground economy (black money) !

Anna Hazare is a seasoned campaigner, he wanted to be arrested.
What is amazing is the thousands of young people on the streets, calling for change. People from all parts of society grabbing the microphones of reporters and challenging the government.

kernowpisky Aug 18th 2011 12:45 am

Re: Anna Hazare
 
although very commendable, does he really think his fast or a few rallies are going to change anything.

If they are serious about geting rid of corruption then they need to vote in people who are honest (rocking horse sh*t comes to mind) and not tolerate the cops etc taking back handers all the time

To be honest its so entrnenched here i wonder if its ever possible

After all just look at the UK, not exactly whiter than white when it comes to corrupt politicians etc

Bipat Aug 19th 2011 8:18 pm

Re: Anna Hazare
 

Originally Posted by kernowpisky (Post 9566857)
although very commendable, does he really think his fast or a few rallies are going to change anything.

If they are serious about geting rid of corruption then they need to vote in people who are honest (rocking horse sh*t comes to mind) and not tolerate the cops etc taking back handers all the time

To be honest its so entrnenched here i wonder if its ever possible

After all just look at the UK, not exactly whiter than white when it comes to corrupt politicians etc

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...cle2375698.ece

Hopefully this time something will come of it. Ordinary people have had enough of corruption. Heard of someone last week who had to pay an 'extra' for a death certificate. No way out of this it had to be paid if the funeral was to take place.

dreadsoc Aug 19th 2011 10:09 pm

Re: Anna Hazare
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 9570772)
http://www.thehindu.com/news/nationa...cle2375698.ece

Hopefully this time something will come of it. Ordinary people have had enough of corruption. Heard of someone last week who had to pay an 'extra' for a death certificate. No way out of this it had to be paid if the funeral was to take place.

How vile !

Dread - x

Bipat Aug 20th 2011 10:00 pm

Re: Anna Hazare
 
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/st.../1/148720.html

Peaceful demonstrations continue.

k800mer Aug 22nd 2011 3:50 am

Re: Anna Hazare
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 9572497)

It is good that they are peaceful demonstrations of course but there are lots of peaceful demonstrations that take place in the uk every year, they just are not so newsworthy as those that get turned into riots by a small number of thugs.

Bipat Aug 22nd 2011 4:00 am

Re: Anna Hazare
 

Originally Posted by k800mer (Post 9575008)
It is good that they are peaceful demonstrations of course but there are lots of peaceful demonstrations that take place in the uk every year, they just are not so newsworthy as those that get turned into riots by a small number of thugs.

I know K800; what Oktata and myself were trying to convey is the amazing happenings in India that are going on at the moment. They are happening as I write; millions are taking to the streets supporting the anti-corruption movement also demanding electoral reform. If anything comes of this it will be so important.
If you have Sky TV you can watch NDTV and see the events unfolding. I am surprised so few comments on this forum.

k800mer Aug 22nd 2011 4:38 am

Re: Anna Hazare
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 9575025)
I know K800; what Oktata and myself were trying to convey is the amazing happenings in India that are going on at the moment. They are happening as I write; millions are taking to the streets supporting the anti-corruption movement also demanding electoral reform. If anything comes of this it will be so important.
If you have Sky TV you can watch NDTV and see the events unfolding. I am surprised so few comments on this forum.

I really hope these peaceful demonstrators are successful but corruption is so endemic in India that unless it comes from the top down which would mean a lot of corrupt Indians (politicians for instance) getting an attack of conscience and renouncing their corrupt ways nothing is going to happen. First they need strong anti corruption laws then they need an incorruptible police force to enforce those laws no matter who is breaking them. Very very difficult, even in the UK corruption is everywhere although it is not so bad as in India where it is easy to pay off a policemen if you get stopped.

Bipat Aug 22nd 2011 4:54 am

Re: Anna Hazare
 

Originally Posted by k800mer (Post 9575135)
I really hope these peaceful demonstrators are successful but corruption is so endemic in India that unless it comes from the top down which would mean a lot of corrupt Indians (politicians for instance) getting an attack of conscience and renouncing their corrupt ways nothing is going to happen. First they need strong anti corruption laws then they need an incorruptible police force to enforce those laws no matter who is breaking them. Very very difficult, even in the UK corruption is everywhere although it is not so bad as in India where it is easy to pay off a policemen if you get stopped.

That's the point of Anna Hazare's movement, he and supporters think the proposed Lokpal Bill is not adequate, they want a tougher Bill to target those at the top. Also electoral reform, at the moment the Congress Party seems to run on 'black money', (It is alleged).
The support and number of people taking to the streets has been unprecedented.

k800mer Aug 22nd 2011 5:11 am

Re: Anna Hazare
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 9575174)
That's the point of Anna Hazare's movement, he and supporters think the proposed Lokpal Bill is not adequate, they want a tougher Bill to target those at the top. Also electoral reform, at the moment the Congress Party seems to run on 'black money', (It is alleged).
The support and number of people taking to the streets has been unprecedented.

I am sure he is right but he is wanting corrupt people to legislate against themselves and while politicians get away with bribing the electorate nothing is going to change. You have to get a lot of very poor people prepared to turn down cash and goods that they get for their votes which is not going to happen.

dreadsoc Aug 22nd 2011 6:36 am

Re: Anna Hazare
 
I know this may be playing devils advocate, but corruption runs through India at just about every level - even down to the small shops overcharging given a chance...... how many of the demonstrators would actually want corruption completely eradicated, at every level? Or do they just want corruption stopped within authority.
Just something that popped in my mind when I read this.

That said - what this guy is doing is truly commendable in my eyes and I hope he can at least start the process of change.

Dread - x

noni Aug 23rd 2011 7:24 am

Re: Anna Hazare
 
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...ow/9710916.cms

Join campaign for a strong Lokpal law to make India corruption-free

Anna's health worsens, refuses hospitalization


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