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old.sparkles Aug 11th 2016 1:28 am

Re: practical exam theory
 

Originally Posted by jaykay2279 (Post 12024371)
Hi Michael,

Ive never had hands on experience with a DOL, my work is mainly domestic, commercial never industrial.

Im quiet good a reading circuit diagrams etc, but the down under centre have sent a ladder diagram (never heard of one until I googled it). So just looking for the correct circuit wiring digram to get my head around it.

Ive picked one up from my wholesaler with an overload relay so going to give myself some hands on practice just looking for diagram that is correct that I can work from.

Unfortunately or fortunately I run my own business and I've cut back the number of guys I employ so I'm the most experienced. But there is always something new to learn I guess.

Any help would be appreciated.

If you were replying to me, I'm definitely not Michael :lol:

Some added info here - Direct On Line (DOL) Motor Starter | EEP

BEVS Aug 11th 2016 2:57 pm

Re: practical exam theory
 

Originally Posted by old.sparkles (Post 12024485)
If you were replying to me, I'm definitely not Michael :lol:

G'won. My name is Fred really.

old.sparkles is a highly qualified accomplished sparky jaykay2279 so you are in her good safe hands.

dsmithy Aug 25th 2016 9:50 pm

Re: practical exam theory
 
Currently studying for my future skills Assessment which is on Tuesday in Brisbane. Very nervous to say the least:(
I am wondering sparkles about the latest link you have put up regarding the DOL starter. This is how i have revised it to be but in earlier posts (Dunes), other diagrams show a neutral to the relay coil (A2) from thermal relay NC (95)
so confused please help!!!
ps. some great advice by all the guys on here, nice to see!:thumbsup:


Originally Posted by old.sparkles (Post 12024485)
If you were replying to me, I'm definitely not Michael :lol:

Some added info here - Direct On Line (DOL) Motor Starter | EEP


old.sparkles Aug 26th 2016 10:50 am

Re: practical exam theory
 

Originally Posted by dsmithy (Post 12035547)
Currently studying for my future skills Assessment which is on Tuesday in Brisbane. Very nervous to say the least:(
I am wondering sparkles about the latest link you have put up regarding the DOL starter. This is how i have revised it to be but in earlier posts (Dunes), other diagrams show a neutral to the relay coil (A2) from thermal relay NC (95)
so confused please help!!!
ps. some great advice by all the guys on here, nice to see!:thumbsup:

I think you are misreading the drawing dsmithy. the only connection at A2 is to neutral to complete the control side of the circuit.

The line drawing at the top explains the links. From the live feed, through the stop button (N/C - normally closed, labelled 11 and 12), through a start button (N/O, numbers 23 and 24) then through the thermal overload (95 and 96) onto the coil for the contactor A1. There is also a 'hold-on' connection through the normally open contacts on the contactor 13 and 14, which will close when the contactor pulls in and maintain the control circuit when you take your finger off the start button.

Does that make sense?

dsmithy Aug 26th 2016 11:37 am

Re: practical exam theory
 
Yeh it does thanks sparkles but when i compare it to the other diagram in that link you kindly put up it confuses me. this shows A2 of the coil being supplied a phase from the line side of the contactor. It also says this in the descriptive notes given with the diagram. Am i also right in thinking that it doesnt really matter which order the start/stop is wired and also numbers can be different depending on contactors. Also may be just going mad as my brain is just mush at the minute trying to revise/learn stuff i done 10 years ago for this assessment on tuesday:unsure:
Thanks in advance!


Originally Posted by old.sparkles (Post 12036065)
I think you are misreading the drawing dsmithy. the only connection at A2 is to neutral to complete the control side of the circuit.

The line drawing at the top explains the links. From the live feed, through the stop button (N/C - normally closed, labelled 11 and 12), through a start button (N/O, numbers 23 and 24) then through the thermal overload (95 and 96) onto the coil for the contactor A1. There is also a 'hold-on' connection through the normally open contacts on the contactor 13 and 14, which will close when the contactor pulls in and maintain the control circuit when you take your finger off the start button.

Does that make sense?


old.sparkles Aug 26th 2016 6:15 pm

Re: practical exam theory
 

Originally Posted by dsmithy (Post 12036091)
Yeh it does thanks sparkles but when i compare it to the other diagram in that link you kindly put up it confuses me. this shows A2 of the coil being supplied a phase from the line side of the contactor. It also says this in the descriptive notes given with the diagram. Am i also right in thinking that it doesnt really matter which order the start/stop is wired and also numbers can be different depending on contactors. Also may be just going mad as my brain is just mush at the minute trying to revise/learn stuff i done 10 years ago for this assessment on tuesday:unsure:
Thanks in advance!

The other link has a general discussion of DOL that I found on the fly. I think they are also using 415V control which sometimes comes up. I don't really like either as 24V control is safer I reckon.

The drawing with a link from the thermal overload is using that as the hold on contact as the contactor there only has the 3 poles.

dsmithy Aug 26th 2016 7:04 pm

Re: practical exam theory
 
Thanks for the fast reply sparkles. Dont suppose you know which 1 they require you to do in the assessment then? Im also struggling for revision material as all my stuff is back in the UK. I have been through all the posts with a couple of good links but some are also redundant now. Any notes or links would be much appreciated!


Originally Posted by old.sparkles (Post 12036193)
The other link has a general discussion of DOL that I found on the fly. I think they are also using 415V control which sometimes comes up. I don't really like either as 24V control is safer I reckon.

The drawing with a link from the thermal overload is using that as the hold on contact as the contactor there only has the 3 poles.


old.sparkles Aug 26th 2016 7:47 pm

Re: practical exam theory
 

Originally Posted by dsmithy (Post 12036214)
Thanks for the fast reply sparkles. Dont suppose you know which 1 they require you to do in the assessment then? Im also struggling for revision material as all my stuff is back in the UK. I have been through all the posts with a couple of good links but some are also redundant now. Any notes or links would be much appreciated!

I did my assessment with Vic Uni and had 230V control.

Theory wise it was DC resistor circuits (series and parallel), a bit on power factor, real power and apparent power. Khan academy will have some stuff as they have electrical engineering as a subject but you may just have to use google a lot.

Check out Vetassess site for safe disconnect / reconnect procedure though.

Adamski681 Sep 10th 2016 7:53 am

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Hi all, just filling out future skills elective on general electrician construction section but stuck with what to write in the key skills and knowledge anyone filled this section out I've got an idea on what I want to put but best to find out from anyone thats done it.í ½í¸€í ½í¸€

dave992 Oct 1st 2016 8:10 pm

Re: practical exam theory
 
Good morning all,

Once the theory and practical day is over, how long before you get the results, if you receive a fail mark can you re-take a part of the exam or would you have to re-take the whole exam

thanks

old.sparkles Oct 1st 2016 8:34 pm

Re: practical exam theory
 

Originally Posted by dave992 (Post 12066501)
Good morning all,

Once the theory and practical day is over, how long before you get the results, if you receive a fail mark can you re-take a part of the exam or would you have to re-take the whole exam

thanks

My understanding is if you fail part of the assessment you need to retake all the assessment. I think when I did mine I waited around a week for the result, but I did mine with Vic Uni.

dave992 Oct 26th 2016 12:33 am

Re: practical exam theory
 
Hi all, would like to thanks all for the information given. i have now done an pass the electrical exam at down under centre in London. Please email me for any information. Thanks

old.sparkles Oct 26th 2016 3:15 pm

Re: practical exam theory
 

Originally Posted by dave992 (Post 12086912)
Hi all, would like to thanks all for the information given. i have now done an pass the electrical exam at down under centre in London. Please email me for any information. Thanks

Congratulations on passing Dave :)

Have things changed from what has been previously posted?

waveydaveyryan Nov 19th 2016 2:25 am

Re: practical exam theory
 

Originally Posted by dave992 (Post 12086912)
Hi all, would like to thanks all for the information given. i have now done an pass the electrical exam at down under centre in London. Please email me for any information. Thanks

hi dave whats your email address?

i have my exam next week in the down under center and had some questions too

thanks

christmasoompa Nov 19th 2016 2:29 am

Re: practical exam theory
 

Originally Posted by waveydaveyryan (Post 12109042)
hi dave whats your email address?

i have my exam next week in the down under center and had some questions too

thanks

BE is a public forum, so we ask that people don't put their email addresses or other personal info on it, just to save them from all the spambots and weirdos out there! You can contact Dave via the forum once you have joined in it more and have access to the PM system, using the drop down menu when you click on his name.

HTH.


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