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To who it may concern on this site

To who it may concern on this site
I spoke to the main person at PEER Training on 14-5-2009, this is what happens between ARTC & vatessess. When you make your application for migration, you supply information regarding your training the length of training; you also provided evidence of the company's you have worked for.

If you don't provide enough information or the type of information they may require for easy processes of the application this is where the two different routes come into play.

To Gain the Electrical Mechanic ARTC

1st if you give info of work styles like lots of contracting work on industrial, commercial, domestic work you supply enough evidence & info on the type of installations you have worked on also all differing tools used. If they feel that's enough evidence you shall be granted the ARTC Electrical Mechanic, end of story.

You may also be invited to do a trade test for ARTC again depending on the amount of info you put in the application, most case these days expect to be invited to do a trade test.

This system lets you apply to sit the A class exams when you get here I recommend PEER in S/A that’s the easiest route believe me.
If you don't provide enough info, you shall be pointed down the Vatessess route.
Both ARTC & vatessess now have the system where you shall have to do a trade test no ifs or buts.
With the Vatessess You still end up with the Cert for migration but in the long run it’s a nightmare mainly due to other components that come into play when you’re in Australia.
This means you can still do the A class exams at PEER when here, however there is a different system for Vatessess students.
For people who get the Cert of Electrical Mechanic & General Electrician, Electrical Fitter can also attend PEER to do there A class license no problems.
Now then apart from ARTC.

People who have been steered down the Vatessess route & people with General Electrician this can cause massive problems in other states, some states require what’s called Gap training this means you must work onsite for 12 months keeping a log book of all work completed on a continual basis without any breaks in the work time of the 12 months.
you won’t get a A class license until you have done this logbook you only get a ”Restricted license” meaning you’re not allowed to work on your own.??? Who is going to employ a person who must have all work checked on a daily basis.
This is mainly for people doing Vatessess, people can go to PEER in S/A do the exams then have the A class transferred to the state you are going to reside in then your fine, But as I say this is for vatessess people mainly even though you may do the PEER route you must do this Log Book for 12 months if your living in QLD
Problems are

lower pay
work checked continually
if you have a gap in the 12 months your buggered.
You can only have a restricted license for a few years then that’s your lot.
As I say I got this from the main man on Friday 15-5-2009 from PEER S/A

I hope this info is of some help to you all maybe not what you’re expecting but its real information
When you do the application you must have all documents signed & dated then the documents become a legal document make lots of copies make sure all is correct or the application shall be returned to you with little info stating why or what the problem may be from the migration dept.

It’s” illegal” to work in any state across Australia without the A class license, NO insurance company would touch a claim if anything was to go wrong.

Then if you intend to work for yourself after obtaining the A class license you then go to the nearest Tafe (College) and do a 12 week x 1 night per week doing a Business course.
When you have passed this course then you must obtain Insurance. It’s become normal now for Indemnity cover of $10,000,000 (Ten Million) dollars insurance cover.
Then you can quote for jobs in a legal capacity as I say this is only if you intend to be working for yourself, if you work for a company then all you require is the A class license.

If you intend to setup your own company & you have the A class license every job you do for any customer you must supply that customer with an COES (Certificate of Electrical Safety) one copy direct to the customer one copy to Energy Safe the other copy you keep for 7 years. Most installations are now being audited to about 30% in all states.

Getting the ATRC or ART or Vatessess may seem to be the easy part once your here this is exactly what must be achieved to work as a fully licensed electrician in Australia.

Most Migration “Agents” (That’s a laugh) do NOT inform people about the information above you pay them your money then that’s your lot you’re on your own when you get here.

I hope this information is of some value to any people who may be applying for migration.

Myself I try to help people around Melbourne, there is another person on British Ex Pats who lives in QLD his name on the site is Steve’O he is fantastic and very switched on he is also available for assistance with information for the migration process.
The duration of the A class license is 3 years it’s your responsibility to renew the license you get a renewal reminder then that's your lot if you DON'T renew you must sit all exams again.

The duration of the Contractors course in Melbourne is about 12 weeks x one night per week

Cost of A class license I think about $270.00 per 3 years

Cost of Contractors course about $850.00 (Allow for that) one payment only

Cost of Contractors license about $300.00 per year.

Cost of Insurance depends on how much cover you require I have $10,000,000 (Ten Million) costing $500.00 per year.

Regards & Best of luck with your applications, if you require help just ask
Arthur Quinn
Melbourne
If you don’t pay the licenses or Insurance your unable to work in a legal capacity.

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Excellent post mate well done :) thats help me alot

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Top Post Arthur :thumbsup:



Dougie

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Nice one pom, thanks.

Im moving to SA in October with my Vetassess papers so are you saying i can gain the A class at peer? And without the need for a logbook?

Ive tried to contact peer a few times but only get one word answers.

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jonsparx;

correct my friend, you only need the logbook if your residing in QLD

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Jeez I better hurry up and pull my finger out !!

The courier is coming for our SA SS aplication tomo shold be in Adelaide for monday AM :fingerscrossed:

I can see a surge coming on :ohmy:


Dougie :)

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Hi pom,

Thanks for the info, I have a couple of queries,

I plan to live in queensland but had idea's about doing the peer course in Adelaide and transfering the SA licence to a queensland one. I'm sure steve O has said this is possible in the past?

Secondly I have just had my special class assessment back positive and it was my understanding that different situation applies for the special class sparks category ie you can sit the exam with your artc and that's that - does seem a bit too good to be true but there have beens grumbles here about unfairly easy this is for those that have managed to go this route.

Top post thanks for the info, would appreciate it if you could enlighten me as to how many sticks I've got the wrong end of

Cheers

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rinkerdink;

You can do the PEER course no problems there mate, then if or should i say when you pass you go to the S/A licensing dept in S/A On the same day & you can have the A class license transferred to QLd there & then.
However im 99% sure you must keep a logbook for 12 months if you go down the Vatesses route if you have been granted the ARTC then your fine.

Stevo'O is correct when he said you can do this via PEER.

If you have the ARTC, then its this straight forward as above get to PEER then that's it.

the difference between ARTC & vatessess it in the way people do there application for migration & the information they provide, not enough information or not enough evidence of work then they are steered down the vatessess route end of story.


you shall be fine if you follow the above points & call PEER the person you may want to talk to is Peter Jolly at PEER a real decent bloke

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Hi Arthur,

My position is that I have PR Visa and looking at moving to Adelaide end of this year begining of next. Am I right in thinking that the first thing I need to do now to get things started is get the ARTC? If so can I do this from UK and how do I go about doing this, I'm sure I read somewhere you need an Aussie address which we don't have. Please help I am so confused about the whole process.:confused:

Kind Regards

Derek

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Derek, you make you application via the forms from the Australian migration dept you can download them from the internet, if you meet all criteria you shall get either the ARTC or Vatessess certificate, the mote info you give them with lots of detail & if your doing loads of installation work & projects with 230V & 415V equipment you may get the easy route of ARTC or ART then i would be contacting PEER in S/A do there distance learning course with a workbook & loads of examples then when you get here you simply book in at PEER tpo do the A class exams.

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I am in Australia working for a consultant, they don't require me to have a Electrician License. However I have been graded by TRA as General Electrician.

Where does put me with regards to applying for my Electricians License, can you please advise.



vdnestsn.

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vdnestsn;

contact PEER in S/A you can do the A class exams there.

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I have just rang "Peer" today ((08)83481200) and spoke to Emily ( Peter Jolly's name has also been mentioned on this site as being very helpfull), Very helpfull, very flexible as to how you do to course, from home, at the college or a bit of both all for the same price. I am flying into Adelaide on the 9th July and picking up books etc, study for 4 or 5 days and do the exam when ready.

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george dutton;

hell mate that's what i keep telling people on here to do but they don't seem to be able to absorb the info, it was me who mentioned Peter Jolly's name to people on here as i said he is a real decent bloke.

the PEER course is the quickest way to get the A class license, to be honest ive come in for some stick from people i have been trying to assist for FREE, so im now considering saying sod it to all & withdrawing from this site & just let people struggle from now on.??

Arthur

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Pom,

Before you do please PM me so I can benefit from your experience and help outside of this forum, I understand Wendy has also distanced herself from here now, when will people wake up and stop biting the hand that feeds them?

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Just wanted to say Arthur,Steve and the rest of the guys and girls who help that you have been great and I think without all your help it would have been a complete nightmare. So thanks to you all, I for one am very grateful for all your help :thumbsup::thumbsup:

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And I'll DITTO that ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Now i have just spent ages ranting on for ages about loads of stuff and lost it due to the crap wireless connection I have downstairs !!

So I'll try and keep this quick and to the point..........

Right you know who you are being weapons and giving all the top guys on here the grief.

Its not there fault that this process is so difficult is it ? Why not give them a break and respect there replies to your post's?

IMHO despite this long road to an electrical licence being very difficult I belive that the relevant authorities have done a decent job in trying to keep the riff raff out of there country!

The people in question here remember have already been down this road, that is why they have all the info and assistance relating to the best ways / shortcuts / back doors / etc etc etc

They do not have to post on here do they ?? I am sure that they have more productive projects to invest there time and research into but the reason why i belive they do it is because they are genuinely nice people.

So next time you post :

• Spare a thought for the OP's input
• How much research have they done
• Have you used the very good search engine on this forum first
• if you have not been arsed to look into the matter for yourself then why should

they help you

Just a few little thoughts to bear in mind, now my drunken rant has come to an end I hope I have made some sense


Regards


Dougie

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shar07;

thats very kind of you to mention us all on here

all the very best to you
arthur

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Arthur,

Your input and experience has been invaluable to my husband and I, I can't believe people would give you stick although I do believe it because I see it!
You offer so much help and advice and I for one really really appriciate it, I wasn't aware Wendy had distanced herself.....what a massive shame.
We've just got her and are going to Peers after getting TRA - hmm what a waste of money Vetassess was oh well.

Becky & Dave

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Becky,

im going to send a P/M now to you

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To who it may concern on this site
I spoke to the main person at PEER Training on 14-5-2009, this is what happens between ARTC & vatessess. When you make your application for migration, you supply information regarding your training the length of training; you also provided evidence of the company's you have worked for.

If you don't provide enough information or the type of information they may require for easy processes of the application this is where the two different routes come into play.

To Gain the Electrical Mechanic ARTC

1st if you give info of work styles like lots of contracting work on industrial, commercial, domestic work you supply enough evidence & info on the type of installations you have worked on also all differing tools used. If they feel that's enough evidence you shall be granted the ARTC Electrical Mechanic, end of story.

You may also be invited to do a trade test for ARTC again depending on the amount of info you put in the application, most case these days expect to be invited to do a trade test.

This system lets you apply to sit the A class exams when you get here I recommend PEER in S/A that’s the easiest route believe me.
If you don't provide enough info, you shall be pointed down the Vatessess route.
Both ARTC & vatessess now have the system where you shall have to do a trade test no ifs or buts.
With the Vatessess You still end up with the Cert for migration but in the long run it’s a nightmare mainly due to other components that come into play when you’re in Australia.
This means you can still do the A class exams at PEER when here, however there is a different system for Vatessess students.
For people who get the Cert of Electrical Mechanic & General Electrician, Electrical Fitter can also attend PEER to do there A class license no problems.
Now then apart from ARTC.

People who have been steered down the Vatessess route & people with General Electrician this can cause massive problems in other states, some states require what’s called Gap training this means you must work onsite for 12 months keeping a log book of all work completed on a continual basis without any breaks in the work time of the 12 months.
you won’t get a A class license until you have done this logbook you only get a ”Restricted license” meaning you’re not allowed to work on your own.??? Who is going to employ a person who must have all work checked on a daily basis.
This is mainly for people doing Vatessess, people can go to PEER in S/A do the exams then have the A class transferred to the state you are going to reside in then your fine, But as I say this is for vatessess people mainly even though you may do the PEER route you must do this Log Book for 12 months if your living in QLD
Problems are

lower pay
work checked continually
if you have a gap in the 12 months your buggered.
You can only have a restricted license for a few years then that’s your lot.
As I say I got this from the main man on Friday 15-5-2009 from PEER S/A
I hope this info is of some help to you all maybe not what you’re expecting but its real information
When you do the application you must have all documents signed & dated then the documents become a legal document make lots of copies make sure all is correct or the application shall be returned to you with little info stating why or what the problem may be from the migration dept.

It’s” illegal” to work in any state across Australia without the A class license, NO insurance company would touch a claim if anything was to go wrong.

Then if you intend to work for yourself after obtaining the A class license you then go to the nearest Tafe (College) and do a 12 week x 1 night per week doing a Business course.
When you have passed this course then you must obtain Insurance. It’s become normal now for Indemnity cover of $10,000,000 (Ten Million) dollars insurance cover.
Then you can quote for jobs in a legal capacity as I say this is only if you intend to be working for yourself, if you work for a company then all you require is the A class license.

If you intend to setup your own company & you have the A class license every job you do for any customer you must supply that customer with an COES (Certificate of Electrical Safety) one copy direct to the customer one copy to Energy Safe the other copy you keep for 7 years. Most installations are now being audited to about 30% in all states.

Getting the ATRC or ART or Vatessess may seem to be the easy part once your here this is exactly what must be achieved to work as a fully licensed electrician in Australia.
Most Migration “Agents” (That’s a laugh) do NOT inform people about the information above you pay them your money then that’s your lot you’re on your own when you get here.
I hope this information is of some value to any people who may be applying for migration.

Myself I try to help people around Melbourne, there is another person on British Ex Pats who lives in QLD his name on the site is Steve’O he is fantastic and very switched on he is also available for assistance with information for the migration process.
The duration of the A class license is 3 years it’s your responsibility to renew the license you get a renewal reminder then that's your lot if you DON'T renew you must sit all exams again.
The duration of the Contractors course in Melbourne is about 12 weeks x one night per week

Cost of A class license about $270.00 per 5 years
Electrical Contractors course Now has become Small Business Course in S/A cost $1,160.00 to date 27/5/2009 one payment only. The course 2 x modules 1st Legal requirements + 2nd financial costing & planning the course is completed over three Sundays at PEER total duration of the course = 60 hours inclusive of projects completed at home. (Most of the work is achieved at home)
Cost of Contractors license about $300.00 per year.
Cost of Insurance depends on how much cover you require I have $10,000,000 (Ten Million) costing $500.00 per year.
There is also a Basic Safety induction course x 6 hour done in 1 day $80.00 at PEER
The original Certificate was the Green card now it’s become the White card.
This card is recognised Australia wide, most sites shall require you to hold this card or you may NOT be allowed on site to work.??

Regards & Best of luck with your applications, if you require help just ask
Arthur Quinn Melbourne
(PS) If you don’t pay the licenses or insurance your unable to work in a legal capacity anywhere in Australia.

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How come youre doing TRA? I thought you did vetts in the UK?

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Arthur You are the man.


An absolute outstanding post, many thanks from me for sure.

This is just what this section of the forum needs (maybe a seperate thread is in order?) a definative process if you like to guide all the new / old posters on here.

Again thanks for the great informative post.


Regards

Dougie

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DOUGIE AN LOUISE;

your welcome mate if there is anything else i can do let me know

Art

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Originally Posted by Becky723359
Arthur,

Your input and experience has been invaluable to my husband and I, I can't believe people would give you stick although I do believe it because I see it!
You offer so much help and advice and I for one really really appriciate it, I wasn't aware Wendy had distanced herself.....what a massive shame.
We've just got her and are going to Peers after getting TRA - hmm what a waste of money Vetassess was oh well.

Becky & Dave

How come youre doing TRA? I thought you did vetts in the UK?

Jon,

Yes we did do the Vetassess but no-one seems to wanna touch Dave with his provisional licence - fortunately we'd not applied and we're gonna go down the TRA route and Peers for wiring reg's. I would recommend you think about doing the same.

I'll lay it on the line as it is in Melbourne.
You have your provisional licence to get your A Class you gotta do the LEA course, get employed as a spark and be supervised and write a log book for 12 months and have your work signed off.
No-one wants you because you've not got the A Class and you can't get it without a job......to put it nicely it's a crap system.
Fortunately with Arthurs help and speaking to the guys at Peers, TRA and SA Licencing and another guy who help sparkies we've decided TRA is the best route.
Energy Safe Vic aren't great they just tell you what you already know if your lucky - our local TAFE didn't know the new system either.

I'm doing the application for TRA today and will let everyone know how this goes. Hopefully in 6-7 weeks Dave will have his A Class and be able to get a proper job with proper money.

Becky

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That just makes you mad dont it!!

I thought Arthur mentioned that PEER said you could still get licensed with them even if you had done Vetassess?? And without the need for a log book?? I.E. just sit the wiring rules exams??

I hope so anyway.... PEER dont seem to be too keen on replying to my Emails.


Anyway best of luck!!

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Hi we are going to WA in a couple of weeks for a validation trip I will find out from Peer exactly what we have to do it seems to be different from state to state. We are really p****d off because we originally went with TRA and then it changed to Vetassess. I just wish they could make their mind up. Anyway I will post on here what we find out in Perth, but I do think as Arthur and Becky say its ARTC then onto workbook from UK (for us) etc then to exam in oz. :frown:

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jonsparx;

you only need the logbook if you intend to work in the QLD state, if you have ARTC, ART, Vatessess then you go to PEER & do the A class license, but before that do the Electrical distacnce learning course phone PEER sign up they send all books to the UK then when you get here book in for the exam, there is NO added cost for this exam its all inclusive in the distance course.

arthur

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shar07;

phone Peter Jolly at PEER

PEER VEET
1042 Port Road
Albert Park SA 5014
Phone +61 8 8348 1200
Fax +61 8 8348 1201
www.peer.com.au <http://www.peer.com.au

tell peter you have been in touch with Arthur Quinn in Melbourne we have a good working relationship he is the main man for electrical training at PEER they are fantastic people.

arthur

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Hi Arthur,

Now im really confused, Just spoke to PEER... they have just told me that Vetassess people need to complete a year in full time employment along with the completion of a logbook, in order to become fully licensed in South Australia.

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Hi Jon,

Please only speak to Peter Jolly - he's in the know.
This is a really confusing time and very limited people know what options there are.
I've spoke to Peers, TRA, and licencing authority in SA and they all said if I now get an Atrc then we can go this route even though we've got the Vetassess.
Up to you what you do but I'm here now and no-one whats a fully qualified spark that has to be always supervised.

Becky

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Ok, ill keep trying to get hold of him! Thanks for the advice. Why is this so difficult?!!

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Jon,

It's difficult because it's still all new.....and I don't think it's working very well.
Trust me it's much more frustrating sat out here in Melbourne not being able to get work. Grrrrrr.

Becky

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jonsparx;

Phone Peter Jolly, mention you Spoke to Arthur in Melbourne. we are friends

[email protected] ph 061 08 8348 1200

regards

Arthur

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Thanks Arthur I will give him a ring, thanks for your help :thumbsup::thumbsup:

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Hi Arthur just reading up on your post what is VATESSESS lol is that something new again ive heard of VETASSESS (vocational education training and assessment services) and you mention the A-Class exam again and the TRADE test isnt that the same thing? I also spoke to PEER VEET in Adelaide i went down there as it isnt far from my house and asked the question "what is this A-Class exam everyone keeps talking about and they said that there are two exams we do here one is the AS/3000 wiring rules the other a Trade test. We dont do an A-Class exam. I wonder if you could let me know what exactley this A-Class exam is as if this is the case i would like to speak to PEER VEETagain. cheers spike ps keep the beers chilled lol

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Hello All,

It's my believe that there's no A-class exam at PEER, i think the A class came from before the time when electricians needed to be licence, it was one way of telling apart the qualified from the non qualified, same with the motor mechanics.

There are two courses, the first is if you are required to sit a trade test, which is simular to the apprentices capstone exam. the second which is the wiring regs and is required to be taken by all to obtain a licence, which is called the " workers registration licence "

As in my previous thread, only one state classes it's licence as an A grade.

Regards

Kevin

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Kevin S;

with regards to the classification of A grade or A class, its now standard across Australia for the License to be called A class in every state to eliminate any confusion.

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Hello all,

Arthur, i don't want to get into a handbag slinging competition, but your statement can not be correct, i took the information from the mutual recognition website and there is nothing on there to back your claim.

You do some tremendous work for people on this forum and i don't wish to offend but you have to remain factual to be of any use.

Regards

Kevin

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Kevin S;
thats ok my friend i have no problems with you making any comments its all fine, but can you show me in any other state where they make reference to the classification being anything else but A class, to be honest mate thats the info i have been told from PEER its not just me saying that i would never do that, if you phone PEER they shall tell you the same.

But for goodness sake Kevin im im wrong then you tell me so my friend