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I spoke to the main person at PEER Training on 14-5-2009, this is what happens between ARTC & vatessess. When you make your application for migration, you supply information regarding your training the length of training; you also provided evidence of the company's you have worked for.

If you don't provide enough information or the type of information they may require for easy processes of the application this is where the two different routes come into play.

To Gain the Electrical Mechanic ARTC

1st if you give info of work styles like lots of contracting work on industrial, commercial, domestic work you supply enough evidence & info on the type of installations you have worked on also all differing tools used. If they feel that's enough evidence you shall be granted the ARTC Electrical Mechanic, end of story.

You may also be invited to do a trade test for ARTC again depending on the amount of info you put in the application, most case these days expect to be invited to do a trade test.

This system lets you apply to sit the A class exams when you get here I recommend PEER in S/A that’s the easiest route believe me.
If you don't provide enough info, you shall be pointed down the Vatessess route.
Both ARTC & vatessess now have the system where you shall have to do a trade test no ifs or buts.
With the Vatessess You still end up with the Cert for migration but in the long run it’s a nightmare mainly due to other components that come into play when you’re in Australia.
This means you can still do the A class exams at PEER when here, however there is a different system for Vatessess students.
For people who get the Cert of Electrical Mechanic & General Electrician, Electrical Fitter can also attend PEER to do there A class license no problems.
Now then apart from ARTC.

People who have been steered down the Vatessess route & people with General Electrician this can cause massive problems in other states, some states require what’s called Gap training this means you must work onsite for 12 months keeping a log book of all work completed on a continual basis without any breaks in the work time of the 12 months.
you won’t get a A class license until you have done this logbook you only get a ”Restricted license” meaning you’re not allowed to work on your own.??? Who is going to employ a person who must have all work checked on a daily basis.
This is mainly for people doing Vatessess, people can go to PEER in S/A do the exams then have the A class transferred to the state you are going to reside in then your fine, But as I say this is for vatessess people mainly even though you may do the PEER route you must do this Log Book for 12 months if your living in QLD
Problems are

lower pay
work checked continually
if you have a gap in the 12 months your buggered.
You can only have a restricted license for a few years then that’s your lot.
As I say I got this from the main man on Friday 15-5-2009 from PEER S/A

I hope this info is of some help to you all maybe not what you’re expecting but its real information
When you do the application you must have all documents signed & dated then the documents become a legal document make lots of copies make sure all is correct or the application shall be returned to you with little info stating why or what the problem may be from the migration dept.

It’s” illegal” to work in any state across Australia without the A class license, NO insurance company would touch a claim if anything was to go wrong.

Then if you intend to work for yourself after obtaining the A class license you then go to the nearest Tafe (College) and do a 12 week x 1 night per week doing a Business course.
When you have passed this course then you must obtain Insurance. It’s become normal now for Indemnity cover of $10,000,000 (Ten Million) dollars insurance cover.
Then you can quote for jobs in a legal capacity as I say this is only if you intend to be working for yourself, if you work for a company then all you require is the A class license.

If you intend to setup your own company & you have the A class license every job you do for any customer you must supply that customer with an COES (Certificate of Electrical Safety) one copy direct to the customer one copy to Energy Safe the other copy you keep for 7 years. Most installations are now being audited to about 30% in all states.

Getting the ATRC or ART or Vatessess may seem to be the easy part once your here this is exactly what must be achieved to work as a fully licensed electrician in Australia.

Most Migration “Agents” (That’s a laugh) do NOT inform people about the information above you pay them your money then that’s your lot you’re on your own when you get here.

I hope this information is of some value to any people who may be applying for migration.

Myself I try to help people around Melbourne, there is another person on British Ex Pats who lives in QLD his name on the site is Steve’O he is fantastic and very switched on he is also available for assistance with information for the migration process.
The duration of the A class license is 3 years it’s your responsibility to renew the license you get a renewal reminder then that's your lot if you DON'T renew you must sit all exams again.

The duration of the Contractors course in Melbourne is about 12 weeks x one night per week

Cost of A class license I think about $270.00 per 3 years

Cost of Contractors course about $850.00 (Allow for that) one payment only

Cost of Contractors license about $300.00 per year.

Cost of Insurance depends on how much cover you require I have $10,000,000 (Ten Million) costing $500.00 per year.

Regards & Best of luck with your applications, if you require help just ask
Arthur Quinn
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Excellent post mate well done thats help me alot
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Nice one pom, thanks.

Im moving to SA in October with my Vetassess papers so are you saying i can gain the A class at peer? And without the need for a logbook?

Ive tried to contact peer a few times but only get one word answers.
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correct my friend, you only need the logbook if your residing in QLD
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Jeez I better hurry up and pull my finger out !!

The courier is coming for our SA SS aplication tomo shold be in Adelaide for monday AM

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Hi pom,

Thanks for the info, I have a couple of queries,

I plan to live in queensland but had idea's about doing the peer course in Adelaide and transfering the SA licence to a queensland one. I'm sure steve O has said this is possible in the past?

Secondly I have just had my special class assessment back positive and it was my understanding that different situation applies for the special class sparks category ie you can sit the exam with your artc and that's that - does seem a bit too good to be true but there have beens grumbles here about unfairly easy this is for those that have managed to go this route.

Top post thanks for the info, would appreciate it if you could enlighten me as to how many sticks I've got the wrong end of

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You can do the PEER course no problems there mate, then if or should i say when you pass you go to the S/A licensing dept in S/A On the same day & you can have the A class license transferred to QLd there & then.
However im 99% sure you must keep a logbook for 12 months if you go down the Vatesses route if you have been granted the ARTC then your fine.

Stevo'O is correct when he said you can do this via PEER.

If you have the ARTC, then its this straight forward as above get to PEER then that's it.

the difference between ARTC & vatessess it in the way people do there application for migration & the information they provide, not enough information or not enough evidence of work then they are steered down the vatessess route end of story.


you shall be fine if you follow the above points & call PEER the person you may want to talk to is Peter Jolly at PEER a real decent bloke
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Hi Arthur,

My position is that I have PR Visa and looking at moving to Adelaide end of this year begining of next. Am I right in thinking that the first thing I need to do now to get things started is get the ARTC? If so can I do this from UK and how do I go about doing this, I'm sure I read somewhere you need an Aussie address which we don't have. Please help I am so confused about the whole process.

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Derek, you make you application via the forms from the Australian migration dept you can download them from the internet, if you meet all criteria you shall get either the ARTC or Vatessess certificate, the mote info you give them with lots of detail & if your doing loads of installation work & projects with 230V & 415V equipment you may get the easy route of ARTC or ART then i would be contacting PEER in S/A do there distance learning course with a workbook & loads of examples then when you get here you simply book in at PEER tpo do the A class exams.
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I am in Australia working for a consultant, they don't require me to have a Electrician License. However I have been graded by TRA as General Electrician.

Where does put me with regards to applying for my Electricians License, can you please advise.



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I spoke to the main person at PEER Training on 14-5-2009, this is what happens between ARTC & vatessess. When you make your application for migration, you supply information regarding your training the length of training; you also provided evidence of the company's you have worked for.

If you don't provide enough information or the type of information they may require for easy processes of the application this is where the two different routes come into play.

To Gain the Electrical Mechanic ARTC

1st if you give info of work styles like lots of contracting work on industrial, commercial, domestic work you supply enough evidence & info on the type of installations you have worked on also all differing tools used. If they feel that's enough evidence you shall be granted the ARTC Electrical Mechanic, end of story.

You may also be invited to do a trade test for ARTC again depending on the amount of info you put in the application, most case these days expect to be invited to do a trade test.

This system lets you apply to sit the A class exams when you get here I recommend PEER in S/A that’s the easiest route believe me.
If you don't provide enough info, you shall be pointed down the Vatessess route.
Both ARTC & vatessess now have the system where you shall have to do a trade test no ifs or buts.
With the Vatessess You still end up with the Cert for migration but in the long run it’s a nightmare mainly due to other components that come into play when you’re in Australia.
This means you can still do the A class exams at PEER when here, however there is a different system for Vatessess students.
For people who get the Cert of Electrical Mechanic & General Electrician, Electrical Fitter can also attend PEER to do there A class license no problems.
Now then apart from ARTC.

People who have been steered down the Vatessess route & people with General Electrician this can cause massive problems in other states, some states require what’s called Gap training this means you must work onsite for 12 months keeping a log book of all work completed on a continual basis without any breaks in the work time of the 12 months.
you won’t get a A class license until you have done this logbook you only get a ”Restricted license” meaning you’re not allowed to work on your own.??? Who is going to employ a person who must have all work checked on a daily basis.
This is mainly for people doing Vatessess, people can go to PEER in S/A do the exams then have the A class transferred to the state you are going to reside in then your fine, But as I say this is for vatessess people mainly even though you may do the PEER route you must do this Log Book for 12 months if your living in QLD
Problems are

lower pay
work checked continually
if you have a gap in the 12 months your buggered.
You can only have a restricted license for a few years then that’s your lot.
As I say I got this from the main man on Friday 15-5-2009 from PEER S/A

I hope this info is of some help to you all maybe not what you’re expecting but its real information
When you do the application you must have all documents signed & dated then the documents become a legal document make lots of copies make sure all is correct or the application shall be returned to you with little info stating why or what the problem may be from the migration dept.

It’s” illegal” to work in any state across Australia without the A class license, NO insurance company would touch a claim if anything was to go wrong.

Then if you intend to work for yourself after obtaining the A class license you then go to the nearest Tafe (College) and do a 12 week x 1 night per week doing a Business course.
When you have passed this course then you must obtain Insurance. It’s become normal now for Indemnity cover of $10,000,000 (Ten Million) dollars insurance cover.
Then you can quote for jobs in a legal capacity as I say this is only if you intend to be working for yourself, if you work for a company then all you require is the A class license.

If you intend to setup your own company & you have the A class license every job you do for any customer you must supply that customer with an COES (Certificate of Electrical Safety) one copy direct to the customer one copy to Energy Safe the other copy you keep for 7 years. Most installations are now being audited to about 30% in all states.

Getting the ATRC or ART or Vatessess may seem to be the easy part once your here this is exactly what must be achieved to work as a fully licensed electrician in Australia.

Most Migration “Agents” (That’s a laugh) do NOT inform people about the information above you pay them your money then that’s your lot you’re on your own when you get here.

I hope this information is of some value to any people who may be applying for migration.

Myself I try to help people around Melbourne, there is another person on British Ex Pats who lives in QLD his name on the site is Steve’O he is fantastic and very switched on he is also available for assistance with information for the migration process.
The duration of the A class license is 3 years it’s your responsibility to renew the license you get a renewal reminder then that's your lot if you DON'T renew you must sit all exams again.

The duration of the Contractors course in Melbourne is about 12 weeks x one night per week

Cost of A class license I think about $270.00 per 3 years

Cost of Contractors course about $850.00 (Allow for that) one payment only

Cost of Contractors license about $300.00 per year.

Cost of Insurance depends on how much cover you require I have $10,000,000 (Ten Million) costing $500.00 per year.

Regards & Best of luck with your applications, if you require help just ask
Arthur Quinn
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contact PEER in S/A you can do the A class exams there.
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Originally Posted by The_Pom_From_Aus
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contact PEER in S/A you can do the A class exams there.
I have just rang "Peer" today ((08)83481200) and spoke to Emily ( Peter Jolly's name has also been mentioned on this site as being very helpfull), Very helpfull, very flexible as to how you do to course, from home, at the college or a bit of both all for the same price. I am flying into Adelaide on the 9th July and picking up books etc, study for 4 or 5 days and do the exam when ready.
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george dutton;

hell mate that's what i keep telling people on here to do but they don't seem to be able to absorb the info, it was me who mentioned Peter Jolly's name to people on here as i said he is a real decent bloke.

the PEER course is the quickest way to get the A class license, to be honest ive come in for some stick from people i have been trying to assist for FREE, so im now considering saying sod it to all & withdrawing from this site & just let people struggle from now on.??

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george dutton;

hell mate that's what i keep telling people on here to do but they don't seem to be able to absorb the info, it was me who mentioned Peter Jolly's name to people on here as i said he is a real decent bloke.

the PEER course is the quickest way to get the A class license, to be honest ive come in for some stick from people i have been trying to assist for FREE, so im now considering saying sod it to all & withdrawing from this site & just let people struggle from now on.??

Arthur
Pom,

Before you do please PM me so I can benefit from your experience and help outside of this forum, I understand Wendy has also distanced herself from here now, when will people wake up and stop biting the hand that feeds them?
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