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Father born in Mozambique 1929 - British Other Than By Birth?

Father born in Mozambique 1929 - British Other Than By Birth?

Old Jul 25th 2020, 12:19 am
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Sorry, more questions - could you confirm where and when you were born?
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Old Jul 25th 2020, 9:47 am
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Sorry, more questions - could you confirm where and when you were born?
Also, was anyone in Crown service at any point?
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Old Jul 27th 2020, 10:25 am
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Sorry, more questions - could you confirm where and when you were born?
Hi BritInParis, sorry for delay in replying, locked myself out of BritishExpats on my phone. I was born in South Africa in 1968. My Grandfather (fathers father) was employed by a British company as part of the British infrastructure development in Mozambique. In those days I believe the Companies were part of the British Government but I am not sure if they would be regarded as Crown. The Uncle was chief engineer on the Royal Yacht etc but not relevant. My Grandmother, mother's mother was secretary on the British railways in Southern Rhodesia, but again I don't think regarded as Crown. Thanks again
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Rhodesia Railways was not Crown Service. i am sure.

I am surprised at the number of people i come across inquiring about citizenship and nationality issues after several generations in Central Africa. Nationality Law is certainly complex.

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.... I am surprised at the number of people i come across inquiring about citizenship and nationality issues after several generations in Central Africa. Nationality Law is certainly complex.
People in "the colonies" used to think of themselves as being British even if they had several generations of ancestors born locally/ outside the UK. Certainly many of the residents of what is now the US whose traced their ancestry to the UK considered themselves to be British right up to the declaration of independence. So I am not, in the least bit surprised to learn that people who have not integrated into the local population in former colonies are now trying to "reclaim" their ancestral British nationality.
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People in "the colonies" used to think of themselves as being British even if they had several generations of ancestors born locally/ outside the UK. Certainly many of the residents of what is now the US whose traced their ancestry to the UK considered themselves to be British right up to the declaration of independence. So I am not, in the least bit surprised to learn that people who have not integrated into the local population in former colonies are now trying to "reclaim" their ancestral British nationality.
Pulaski, that's a massive generlisation verging on being offensive! We live in a completely multicultural world. Britain was built on the back of Empire, exploitation of the colonies. I have been very fortunate to be able to build myself a multicultural lifestyle of benefit to me and the people around me.This is not the place for me to correct your opinions on nationality and identity. Regards
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Pulaski, that's a massive generlisation verging on being offensive! We live in a completely multicultural world. Britain was built on the back of Empire, exploitation of the colonies. I have been very fortunate to be able to build myself a multicultural lifestyle of benefit to me and the people around me.This is not the place for me to correct your opinions on nationality and identity. Regards
I made two statements, two sentences, that are objectively true, historic facts. ([1] "People in "the colonies" used to think of themselves as being British", and [2] "Certainly many of the residents of what is now the US whose traced their ancestry to the UK considered themselves to be British ....."

The third sentence was about myself and my perception, based in part on a steady stream of questions on BE from people who predominanlty are resident in East or Southern Africa who are trying to reclaim ancestral British nationality. there clearly "want out" of the country/ region where they live. I am not aware of the reason for that, and that information is not usually shared - not ever that I know of.

My perception, both personal and vicariously though personal reports and news reports from various countries, that there are many people, who do not have the multicultural mindset that you would like to think they have. In extreme cases this extends to entire regions/ countries that demonize immigrants and various minorities. I could point to various countries over the past 30 years that have engaged in some form of "ethnic cleansing", but to this specific discussion I would point to Idi Amin forcing most of the Indian population of Uganda to flee, and more recently the "land reform" in Zimbabwe that stripped the white farmers of their land. You can disagree with this perception if you wish (which IMO would mean that you are dilusional), but I don't think that it can be "corrected".

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I made two statements, two sentences, that are objectively true, historic facts. ([1] "People in "the colonies" used to think of themselves as being British", and [2] "Certainly many of the residents of what is now the US whose traced their ancestry to the UK considered themselves to be British ....."

The third sentence was about myself and my perception, based in part on a steady stream of questions on BE from people who predominanlty are resident in East or Southern Africa who are trying to reclaim ancestral British nationality. there clearly "want out" of the country/ region where they live. I am not aware of the reason for that, and that information is not usually shared - not ever that I know of.

My perception, both personal and vicariously though personal reports and news reports from various countries, that there are many people, who do not have the multicultural mindset that you would like to think they have. In extreme cases this extends to entire regions/ countries that demonize immigrants and various minorities. I could point to various countries over the past 30 years that have engaged in some form of "ethnic cleansing", but to this specific discussion I would point to Idi Amin forcing most of the Indian population of Uganda to flee, and more recently the "land reform" in Zimbabwe that stripped the white farmers of their land. You can disagree with this perception if you wish (which IMO would mean that you are dilusional), but I don't think that it can be "corrected".
I get your point and as humans we all revolve around a sense of identity and ancestry, it validates self. Just look at the huge business of Ancestry and now DNA. I grew up in a country that stripped people of it's identity, you were mocked and shamed for who you were. Close members of my family had to flee Zambia and Mozambique leaving behind lives that in some cases were generational. One of the first things I learnt as a child was the meaning of Refugee. That's politics and instability something we in Britain are starting to again experience. I get that many immigrants don't "assimilate" into their adopted county, just visit Benidorm or the Algarve. As much as locals in many countries including Britain reject immigrants. As you say the demonization of immigrants and minorities. We all remember those Brexit posters! Friends were brutally murdered, gang raped on their farm in Zimbabwe. Personally I have worked on NGO projects in various countries across Southern Africa. Family links gave me a personal sense of responsibility to these countries. I have always considered myself British probably because I am so involved in British Culture. Politics has fractured in my lifetime what once was. In 20 years will Britain exist or will it be England Scotland Wales and even Little London.

Back to the point of this thread is for advice on my Official British Nationality. Politics and Entitlement is something their are endless other threads for.
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