British citizen by descent or not by descent ? Born in Hong Kong to British Father
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British citizen by descent or not by descent ? Born in Hong Kong to British Father
Thank you very much in advance for any assistance...
I was born in Hong Kong in 1956. I have had a British (then British European) passport for as long as I can remember. I have always understood that I did so because I was born in Hong Kong when it was a British Crown Colony. However, my Father was British (born London) and worked for Boustead's and then Jardine's in Hong Kong for many years as an expat. I have lived in Australia since I was 7. I wish to apply for a British passport for my daughter who is 17. She wants to travel to Scotland to live with her Scottish boyfriend when she turns 18. (Yes, I know !!! :-) ) We have numerous relatives in the UK. So the questions are:
Am I British "other than by descent", in which case, I believe my daughter is "automatically" a British citizen and I should simply apply for a passport for my her ? Or am I British "by descent", in which case.... am I able to Register her as a British Citizen and, if successful, then apply for her passport ?
Please help...
I was born in Hong Kong in 1956. I have had a British (then British European) passport for as long as I can remember. I have always understood that I did so because I was born in Hong Kong when it was a British Crown Colony. However, my Father was British (born London) and worked for Boustead's and then Jardine's in Hong Kong for many years as an expat. I have lived in Australia since I was 7. I wish to apply for a British passport for my daughter who is 17. She wants to travel to Scotland to live with her Scottish boyfriend when she turns 18. (Yes, I know !!! :-) ) We have numerous relatives in the UK. So the questions are:
Am I British "other than by descent", in which case, I believe my daughter is "automatically" a British citizen and I should simply apply for a passport for my her ? Or am I British "by descent", in which case.... am I able to Register her as a British Citizen and, if successful, then apply for her passport ?
Please help...
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Unless your father was in Crown service when you were born then you would have became a British citizen by descent on 1 January 1983. You would need to have lived in the UK for three continuous years before the birth of your daughter to enable her to be registered as a British citizen and the application must be submitted to the Home Office before she turns 18. If she turns 18 during the application process she will need to attend a citizenship ceremony.
If you wish to confirm your status you can submit a Subject Access Request to HMPO in the UK for £10. You should ask when and under which Section and Act you became a British citizen and whether this makes you a British citizen by descent or otherwise than by descent. You can download the form here.
If you wish to confirm your status you can submit a Subject Access Request to HMPO in the UK for £10. You should ask when and under which Section and Act you became a British citizen and whether this makes you a British citizen by descent or otherwise than by descent. You can download the form here.
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Unless your father was in Crown service when you were born then you would have became a British citizen by descent on 1 January 1983. You would need to have lived in the UK for three continuous years before the birth of your daughter to enable her to be registered as a British citizen and the application must be submitted to the Home Office before she turns 18. If she turns 18 during the application process she will need to attend a citizenship ceremony.
And to be clear, there is no flexibility if application is not made by age 18.
If you wish to confirm your status you can submit a Subject Access Request to HMPO in the UK for £10. You should ask when and under which Section and Act you became a British citizen and whether this makes you a British citizen by descent or otherwise than by descent.
I'm not sure if it's possible for a HK-born British citizen to be "otherwise than by descent" in any circumstance other than noted above.
Acquisition of British citizenship would normally have been under Section 11(1) of the 1981 Act but this doesn't specify whether someone is British by descent or not, and the Passport Office doesn't care about that.
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If the OP is a British citizen by descent (his father was born in the UK by the looks of it) could his daughter not apply for an ancestry visa for the UK in her Aus passport?
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If she is ineligible for Section 3(2) or Section 3(1) registration, or if she misses the deadline to apply, then it appears that Ancestry may still be an option. However, it does require that the purpose of going to the U.K. be to work.
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Unless your father was in Crown service when you were born then you would have became a British citizen by descent on 1 January 1983. You would need to have lived in the UK for three continuous years before the birth of your daughter to enable her to be registered as a British citizen and the application must be submitted to the Home Office before she turns 18. If she turns 18 during the application process she will need to attend a citizenship ceremony.
If you wish to confirm your status you can submit a Subject Access Request to HMPO in the UK for £10. You should ask when and under which Section and Act you became a British citizen and whether this makes you a British citizen by descent or otherwise than by descent. You can download the form here.
If you wish to confirm your status you can submit a Subject Access Request to HMPO in the UK for £10. You should ask when and under which Section and Act you became a British citizen and whether this makes you a British citizen by descent or otherwise than by descent. You can download the form here.
Thank you. So looks as if I'm Citizen by descent. In which case, I am assuming that the only option is for her to apply for Ancestry Visa. Thank you for the link to apply for clarification. I will follow that process as well.
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[QUOTE=JAJ;11310985]And to be clear, there is no flexibility if application is not made by age 18.
Thanks. "Flexibility" in what sense please? The impression I have at the moment is that there is no flexibility in my circumstances. Am I missing something ? Cheers
Thanks. "Flexibility" in what sense please? The impression I have at the moment is that there is no flexibility in my circumstances. Am I missing something ? Cheers
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So I'm about to start completing the application for her Ancestry Visa. One of the problems is that there appears no way in which she can go to Uni in the UK next year other than as a foreign student (regardless of her citizenship status). So the plan at the moment is for her to work while her BF studies. Hopefully, the Ancestry Visa doesn't require a pre-arranged job to go to.
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So I'm about to start completing the application for her Ancestry Visa. One of the problems is that there appears no way in which she can go to Uni in the UK next year other than as a foreign student (regardless of her citizenship status). So the plan at the moment is for her to work while her BF studies. Hopefully, the Ancestry Visa doesn't require a pre-arranged job to go to.
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Except that a person born in Hong Kong, who is a British citizen, will always be a British citizen by descent unless, a. the person acquired British citizenship after 1983 by Home Office registration/naturalisation (sometimes not even then), or b. there is Crown/designated service involved.
I'm not sure if it's possible for a HK-born British citizen to be "otherwise than by descent" in any circumstance other than noted above.
I'm not sure if it's possible for a HK-born British citizen to be "otherwise than by descent" in any circumstance other than noted above.
Acquisition of British citizenship would normally have been under Section 11(1) of the 1981 Act but this doesn't specify whether someone is British by descent or not, and the Passport Office doesn't care about that.