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TGA Jan 25th 2014 5:19 pm

Should Britain give the Falkland Islands to Argentina
 
Should Britain give the Falkland Islands to Argentina

not2old Jan 25th 2014 7:50 pm

Re: Should Britain give the Falkland Islands to Argentina
 
for 10 billion pounds maybe

dfjordan Jan 25th 2014 9:21 pm

Re: Should Britain give the Falkland Islands to Argentina
 
Why do you ask?

TGA Jan 26th 2014 6:19 am

Re: Should Britain give the Falkland Islands to Argentina
 

Originally Posted by dfjordan (Post 11096643)
Why do you ask?

why not?:confused:

chris955 Jan 26th 2014 6:39 am

Re: Should Britain give the Falkland Islands to Argentina
 
When something like 99% of the population want to be British then no can be the only answer.

Vexcore Jan 26th 2014 7:05 am

Re: Should Britain give the Falkland Islands to Argentina
 
No,

simple as that, we we're strong once and hopefully can be strong again? there was a reason why we have such islands etc

unless they can give the UK 100 billion but no chance we ain't giving up these islands.

holly_1948 Jan 26th 2014 11:49 pm

Re: Should Britain give the Falkland Islands to Argentina
 
It's not Britain's to give. Simple as that really, it belongs to the people of the Falklands.

Vexcore Jan 27th 2014 1:26 am

Re: Should Britain give the Falkland Islands to Argentina
 

Originally Posted by holly_1948 (Post 11098251)
It's not Britain's to give. Simple as that really, it belongs to the people of the Falklands.

Not a chance:lol:

lupine_85 Jan 27th 2014 9:17 am

Re: Should Britain give the Falkland Islands to Argentina
 
If it were large enough to be autonomous, life might be easier all round - but it's very arguably not. Anyway, it's a British dependent territory at the moment.

Rule of law wins over self-interest; it's on the UN's decolonisation list, and should be permitted to run through that process just like so many former British territories that self-interest would really have preferred us to keep hold of. The history's murky enough that the outcome of that isn't really obvious.

Gordon Barlow Jan 27th 2014 5:38 pm

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Originally Posted by lupine_85 (Post 11098714)
Rule of law wins over self-interest

Not these days it doesn't. If it did, there wouldn't ever have been British troops in Iraq or Afghanistan! It's an axiom of international politics that nations don't have principles, only national interests.

lupine_85 Jan 28th 2014 10:14 am

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It was a moral statement, not a declaration of how the would actually works all the time. ;).

And states are constrained to acting against their national self-interest all the time. It's just harder to make the bigger ones fall in line; which is why we'll probably never see Blair in the Hague. Doesn't mean we should stop trying to arrest him if we see him in the streets, though.

johno5175 Sep 9th 2014 2:50 pm

Re: Should Britain give the Falkland Islands to Argentina
 

Originally Posted by TGA (Post 11096394)
Should Britain give the Falkland Islands to Argentina


Considering Britain colonized it before Argentina even existed as a nation should be enough of an answer.

Little fact left out from the other side of the argument. :rofl:

Gordon Barlow Sep 9th 2014 3:43 pm

Re: Should Britain give the Falkland Islands to Argentina
 

Originally Posted by johno5175 (Post 11398235)
Considering Britain colonized it before Argentina even existed as a nation should be enough of an answer. Little fact left out from the other side of the argument. :rofl:

Ah, well, if we're going to be technical... the "Britain" that claimed it in 1833 was not the same nation as the "Britain" of today. That earlier Britain included the whole of Ireland. Argentina could argue that the Britain of today doesn't have any legal right to negotiate.

No, I'm afraid it comes down to "might is right" - and by that measure the UK (as presently constituted) is the legitimate ruler! This link here is both relevant and interesting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkla...eignty_dispute

Steve_ Oct 11th 2014 12:06 am

Re: Should Britain give the Falkland Islands to Argentina
 

Originally Posted by johno5175 (Post 11398235)
Considering Britain colonized it before Argentina even existed as a nation should be enough of an answer.

That's subject to debate, Argentina gained independence in 1816 and did have a settlement there, until the Americans got rid of it 15 years later because it was interfering with their fishers. So the UK then took control of the islands again in 1833. Prior to that they had changed hands various times. But technically speaking when Argentina became a country, the islands were under their sovereignty and they lost them to the UK.

The obvious answer is missing from the poll - independence. If the oil reserves turn out to be as large as people are hoping, they'll be swimming in money and I have no doubt large numbers of people will then move there. The Falklands are nearly as large as Northern Ireland, so it's not unrealistic for them to become an independent country. They could easily pay for the Royal Navy or whoever to secure them.

Gordon Barlow Oct 13th 2014 5:32 pm

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The only thing that argues for the Falklands to belong to Argentina is what's called "the geographical imperative" - that islands rightly belong to the major nation they're closest to. There are plenty of examples around the world arguing for and against that position. Arguing against is that the people who live there have British ancestors.

Oh, and the axiom that possession is nine points of the law, of course! That's conclusive, most of the time.

Oh, and the other axiom that "might is right".


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