2 Years and hate it!!
#107
Re: 2 Years and hate it!!
It has absolutely nothing to do with being an expatriate or foreign, and everything to do with people not losing their jobs when they have worked for the company for longer than someone else - it's called seniority, not discrimination.
I know many nurse and non-nurse Canadian born workers in the local Hamilton Health Sciences Group. 5-6 years ago many of them were on a lay-off notice for well over a year due to cut backs.
It is a unionised environment and seniority counts for everything - so if your associate has been working there for a couple of years more than you and their job is cut, they are able to apply for any job in the system that is available and will get the appointment through seniority. It also sometimes enables them to 'bump' a more junior worker from their job - then the more junior worker can 'bump' someone else who has worked there for a shorter period (ad infinitum).
This is also something that goes on in some schools too.
I would suggest anyone who is going to work for a hospital ask to see and read the Union contract/ collective agreement - you will find seniority clauses in most of them.
I know many nurse and non-nurse Canadian born workers in the local Hamilton Health Sciences Group. 5-6 years ago many of them were on a lay-off notice for well over a year due to cut backs.
It is a unionised environment and seniority counts for everything - so if your associate has been working there for a couple of years more than you and their job is cut, they are able to apply for any job in the system that is available and will get the appointment through seniority. It also sometimes enables them to 'bump' a more junior worker from their job - then the more junior worker can 'bump' someone else who has worked there for a shorter period (ad infinitum).
This is also something that goes on in some schools too.
I would suggest anyone who is going to work for a hospital ask to see and read the Union contract/ collective agreement - you will find seniority clauses in most of them.
It sucks but I agree that discrimination and foreigness have nothing to do with the suckiness.
Seniority won't always transfer between hospitals either so people go to the bottom again when they move. Part time workers' seniority is based on hours worked rather than time served.
Seniority won't always transfer between hospitals either so people go to the bottom again when they move. Part time workers' seniority is based on hours worked rather than time served.
#108
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Re: 2 Years and hate it!!
Does anyone know where my post went?
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Re: 2 Years and hate it!!
I spent some time composing a post, but it never made it Can a mod please help?
Thanks for the compliment on above though
Thanks for the compliment on above though
#114
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Re: 2 Years and hate it!!
Changing times in Ontario re OT's and PT's. MY advice to you is to move to Nova Scotia where you will find more of the British model of healthcare. I am a Podiatrist and there are very few hospital posts available in Ontario for my profession which is now just about 100% private care. Retirement and nursing home care posts have just been shafted in a budget reshuffle because a few nursing homes were dissatisfied with the PT care from the corporate providers.
Take a look at the maritimes.
Take a look at the maritimes.
#115
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Re: 2 Years and hate it!!
There are insurance companies here that accept british no claims history johnson.ca accepted my 11 years no claims
#116
April 2009
Joined: Apr 2009
Location: Calgary
Posts: 41
Re: 2 Years and hate it!!
It has absolutely nothing to do with being an expatriate or foreign, and everything to do with people not losing their jobs when they have worked for the company for longer than someone else - it's called seniority, not discrimination.
I know many nurse and non-nurse Canadian born workers in the local Hamilton Health Sciences Group. 5-6 years ago many of them were on a lay-off notice for well over a year due to cut backs.
It is a unionised environment and seniority counts for everything - so if your associate has been working there for a couple of years more than you and their job is cut, they are able to apply for any job in the system that is available and will get the appointment through seniority. It also sometimes enables them to 'bump' a more junior worker from their job - then the more junior worker can 'bump' someone else who has worked there for a shorter period (ad infinitum).
This is also something that goes on in some schools too.
I would suggest anyone who is going to work for a hospital ask to see and read the Union contract/ collective agreement - you will find seniority clauses in most of them.
I know many nurse and non-nurse Canadian born workers in the local Hamilton Health Sciences Group. 5-6 years ago many of them were on a lay-off notice for well over a year due to cut backs.
It is a unionised environment and seniority counts for everything - so if your associate has been working there for a couple of years more than you and their job is cut, they are able to apply for any job in the system that is available and will get the appointment through seniority. It also sometimes enables them to 'bump' a more junior worker from their job - then the more junior worker can 'bump' someone else who has worked there for a shorter period (ad infinitum).
This is also something that goes on in some schools too.
I would suggest anyone who is going to work for a hospital ask to see and read the Union contract/ collective agreement - you will find seniority clauses in most of them.
#117
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Location: SW Ontario
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Re: 2 Years and hate it!!
As someone else pointed out - "seniority does not necessarily a good nurse make", it should always be that the best person for the job gets the job regardless. Especially in healthcare otherwise you can get what has happened too often here, a person will little or no experience in a specific field of work taking the job of someone who has expert knowledge. It is ridiculous, ......if I make an error at work I could easily kill someone, inexperience increases that risk - fact. For example, if I spent a 30 year career working in outpatients do you seriously think that I am more qualified to look after a critically ill patient than a nurse who has been working in critical care for 5 years just because I've worked for the employer longer to suggest this is OK is in my opinion madness.
#118
April 2009
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Location: Calgary
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Re: 2 Years and hate it!!
Believe me - I have. They are well aware and indeed have just represented me in a complaint that resulted in an apology from my employer today. I have colleagues going through similar experiences at the moment. Shame it has to come to that really. Just hope that you do not rely upon experience over competence one day especially if your life or the life of a loved one depends upon it.
#119
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Re: 2 Years and hate it!!
Believe me - I have. They are well aware and indeed have just represented me in a complaint that resulted in an apology from my employer today. I have colleagues going through similar experiences at the moment. Shame it has to come to that really. Just hope that you do not rely upon experience over competence one day especially if your life or the life of a loved one depends upon it.
To be fair, there are many both very competent and experienced workers in the various departments of most hospitals, they are not all inexperienced nor incompetent. It's generally a mixed bag, is it not? Doesn't competence generally go hand in hand with experience or is it an either/or thing in your opinion?
(I'm not being contentious, I genuinely would like to know your thoughts on that).
I have been most fortunate - despite being seen by doctors finishing their residency and therefore presumably relatively inexperienced - that I have had excellent diagnosis and treatment for potentially life threatening ailments. They generally have a better bedside manner than some of the more established specialists, I have found!
I know it must be difficult to adjust to after working in the UK health system, but I think you have to accept (within reason) what the conditions of working here are and decide whether it is something you can deal with or not.
Have you thought about working at a doctors surgery or clinic instead? I know a couple of nurses who have gone down that route and are far happier in their working life. Better hours, better conditions and generally better pay as well.
Just a thought.
#120
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Re: 2 Years and hate it!!
Bang on the money....like a bat right out of hell
Akin to the thought that every "senior" deserves to draw state pension, when some might not have paid into the kitty. Gotta love when they show up at Timmies demanding "senior coffee"
As someone else pointed out - "seniority does not necessarily a good nurse make", it should always be that the best person for the job gets the job regardless.