are you tired of all the justifying?
Aug 26th 2008, 6:28 pm
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Aug 26th 2008, 7:42 pm
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Re: are you tired of all the justifying?
The amount of time on this forum that the good people spend shooting down others and trying to gain one upmanship means that you have to be a little wicked. Think outside the square. Shoot the breeze. Swim against the tide.
As I said jest is better than anger.
But credit where it's due this is none the less a great forum and with the utmost respect for (i) those who agree to disagree and (ii) those who agree, you all play a part in keeping me going as I await my destiny with CIC.
And bringing this post back I would like to categorically say "YES I AM TIRED OF ALL THE JUSTIFYING".
Now Steve_P let's cut up that dead horse and BBQ it with some fine Canadian beer.
dbd33 this horse is obviously not one of yours because it would of been fatter and fed better!
Chi_Nook you bring the muffins for desert.
I apologise to vegan's, vegetarian's and animal lovers for the above.
Last edited by JamesM; Aug 26th 2008 at 7:46 pm. Reason: spelt dbd33's name wrong unintentionally
Aug 26th 2008, 7:55 pm
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Re: are you tired of all the justifying?
We don't feed ours, they just bloat naturally. I'm all for eating someone else's, so long as we barbecue properly, with charcoal.
Aug 26th 2008, 9:02 pm
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Re: are you tired of all the justifying?
Aug 26th 2008, 9:33 pm
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Re: are you tired of all the justifying?
We’ll just tell its beef you won’t be able to tell, at least we’ll not be making cold cuts out of it
Any way how many pallets of beer?
Aug 26th 2008, 9:52 pm
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Re: are you tired of all the justifying?
2 or 3 beers enough for me (Alexander Keiths or Rickard Red preferred, but anything for free!) ...you can finish off the rest of the pallet(s)...
Hmmm can hardly wait....
Aug 26th 2008, 10:01 pm
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Aug 26th 2008, 10:47 pm
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Aug 26th 2008, 10:54 pm
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Aug 26th 2008, 11:34 pm
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Re: are you tired of all the justifying?
I just got back from the border were we went to land with new PR visas. It's the second time I took precious time off work and dragged my wife and children down there. I won't bore you with our story. Compared to many people who post here our journey has been easy. My company even paid a lawyer to handle the PR. All I needed was to supply the documents, although having moved some 22 times in the last 18 years you can perhaps imagine some of the complications.
The truth is that deep down after all we did to get them I actually wanted them to refuse us. I was almost willing them to present me with one more stupid pointless bureaucratic hoop to jump through so I could tell them to get stuffed. I'm tired of justifying myself and my family to these people. My wife and I are both 38 years old. Like many of the folks I read about here, we are both fully qualified and experienced professionals. We are here because I was head hunted by a Canadian company. We never came here looking for some Canuk fantasy utopia, and we would leave tomorrow if a better offer came up. We pay (a lot of) tax, we have integrated and made friends in our local community and our children are doing well at the local school. Yet we are second class citizens, no not even that - we aren't citizens at all.
So we have to keep justifying ourselves. My wife wants to work as a teacher, so she needs a certificate from the Ontario College to Teachers. So there's another inexplicable fee and she's back on the phone to confused secretaries at her old colleges in the UK trying to get those completely pointless and non-existent 'sealed' transcripts again: "no! one copy in a sealed envelope...what do you mean you don't have a university stamp!". Looking on the bright side, at least now we have PRs I won't have to go cap in hand to the local school board in September for special permission for my children to attend school.
Anyway I said I wouldn't bore you all and I already have, so my question to you all is this: don't you just get tired of it? Doesn't it make you look around and think, is it really worth all this just to live in this place? Perhaps that's the real purpose behind all the bureaucracy - to put people off. It's worked for me. I'm defeated and I've had enough. After 10 years of being foreigners we want to be citizens again, and by chance of birth this means the UK.
Back at the border when the CIC guy gave us our PRs he said 'congratulations'. I think he was surprised by my unenthusiastic response. We bought the kids a Hershey bar across the street and drove home. On the way back the kids fell asleep and we began plotting our departure from Canada.
The truth is that deep down after all we did to get them I actually wanted them to refuse us. I was almost willing them to present me with one more stupid pointless bureaucratic hoop to jump through so I could tell them to get stuffed. I'm tired of justifying myself and my family to these people. My wife and I are both 38 years old. Like many of the folks I read about here, we are both fully qualified and experienced professionals. We are here because I was head hunted by a Canadian company. We never came here looking for some Canuk fantasy utopia, and we would leave tomorrow if a better offer came up. We pay (a lot of) tax, we have integrated and made friends in our local community and our children are doing well at the local school. Yet we are second class citizens, no not even that - we aren't citizens at all.
So we have to keep justifying ourselves. My wife wants to work as a teacher, so she needs a certificate from the Ontario College to Teachers. So there's another inexplicable fee and she's back on the phone to confused secretaries at her old colleges in the UK trying to get those completely pointless and non-existent 'sealed' transcripts again: "no! one copy in a sealed envelope...what do you mean you don't have a university stamp!". Looking on the bright side, at least now we have PRs I won't have to go cap in hand to the local school board in September for special permission for my children to attend school.
Anyway I said I wouldn't bore you all and I already have, so my question to you all is this: don't you just get tired of it? Doesn't it make you look around and think, is it really worth all this just to live in this place? Perhaps that's the real purpose behind all the bureaucracy - to put people off. It's worked for me. I'm defeated and I've had enough. After 10 years of being foreigners we want to be citizens again, and by chance of birth this means the UK.
Back at the border when the CIC guy gave us our PRs he said 'congratulations'. I think he was surprised by my unenthusiastic response. We bought the kids a Hershey bar across the street and drove home. On the way back the kids fell asleep and we began plotting our departure from Canada.
We were enjoying life here very much at the time but I think it was the time it had taken me to find a hat that tipped me over the edge.
Anyway we left as planned and whilst we were away everything was sorted out and a fax was sent to Calgary airport to allow us back in.
We are citizens now but I can remember how I felt at the time. We, too, have dealt with immigration in the States and Australia and if you think the Canadians are bad try dealing with them.
Other than that time I have always felt really at home here and I think that is why we stayed. I find Canadians to be very friendly and intelligent and much more worldly than Americans or Australians - bless - maybe I am just lucky or perhaps I am just happy to converse at a lower level!!