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Phil43 May 2nd 2006 11:25 pm

Would you return for good?
 
Just wondering after the honeymoon period is over and your new life begins for real, does anyone feel like they had a better life back in England? If so How?

cov-canuck May 3rd 2006 12:13 am

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Originally Posted by Phil43
Just wondering after the honeymoon period is over and your new life begins for real, does anyone feel like they had a better life back in England? If so How?

Try looking at the "Returning to the UK" forum, this question has been answered in spades over there!

Gezza May 3rd 2006 12:24 am

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Originally Posted by Phil43
Just wondering after the honeymoon period is over and your new life begins for real, does anyone feel like they had a better life back in England? If so How?

always!

Londonuck May 3rd 2006 12:58 am

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Originally Posted by Phil43
Just wondering after the honeymoon period is over and your new life begins for real, does anyone feel like they had a better life back in England? If so How?


i made that mistake and have had a pretty poor 20 months getting used to overcrowded london life again. not sure i'd go back to vancouver but life was better over there.

Tiaribbon May 3rd 2006 1:13 am

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I had a lovely life in England. I have a lovely life here in Canada. No I would never return to England - can't bear the grey!!

Steve_P May 3rd 2006 3:02 am

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I've been here for 43 years so the honeymoon was over long ago.

For me to return to England would be like emigrating all over again.

I don't know how my life would have turned out had I stayed in England or returned early on (I never did have the desire to return), but I am extremely happy with the way my life played out here in Canada.

So the answer to your question, no I would never consider moving back to England.

Cheers
Steve

AnnetteM May 3rd 2006 3:54 am

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Originally Posted by Phil43
Just wondering after the honeymoon period is over and your new life begins for real, does anyone feel like they had a better life back in England? If so How?

I've lived here 30 years, so honeymoon was long over. Until now I would never have moved back. However, just returned from one of my annual visits to the UK where my husband became really ill and was hospitalized. The warmth and friendliness of all the people we met impressed me. We are both ready to "go home", but we have children and grandchildren here in Canada so it's not an option. All I can say is I felt very at home while in England and miss it terribly.

iaink May 3rd 2006 4:30 am

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Originally Posted by AnnetteM
We are both ready to "go home", but we have children and grandchildren here in Canada so it's not an option.

Surely its an option? My mum and dad have children and grandchildren in Canada and they live in the UK.

jandro May 3rd 2006 6:07 am

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Originally Posted by Phil43
Just wondering after the honeymoon period is over and your new life begins for real, does anyone feel like they had a better life back in England? If so How?

almost every day

dingbat May 3rd 2006 6:22 am

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Originally Posted by jandro
almost every day

Ditto. Moving back, however, when you've been here a while is very scary. I did not realise how much day to day "life" I had established here until I made arrangements to go home. My kids are more Canadian than I ever realised, but I still think we would be better off in the UK. Career wise and financially, I utterly screwed myself by coming here. Whether we will ever go home is not in my hands anymore, so I take each day as it comes. :)

AnnetteM May 3rd 2006 7:34 am

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Originally Posted by iaink
Surely its an option? My mum and dad have children and grandchildren in Canada and they live in the UK.

Leaving my kids and grandkids is absolutely not an option. The way I see it, I brought my kids to Canada, against their will, when they were young. They grew up without family - no aunts, uncles, grandparents around - and it would be betrayal for me to go back and leave them here. Plus, I don't want half a world between us.

Ruby Murray May 3rd 2006 7:45 am

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Originally Posted by Phil43
Just wondering after the honeymoon period is over and your new life begins for real, does anyone feel like they had a better life back in England? If so How?

Never....after 17 months in Canada it truly is amazing just how much you've got used to the lifestyle (even though I beat yourself up for months at first being homesick for family and missing daft things like my Morrisons and ASDA!!). But honestly, it's once you actually get back to the UK, you realise how claustrophobic everything is; houses, people, traffic jams as well as the constantly in your face yobs/hoodies :mad:

I would stress to anyone considering giving up what they fought so hard and long for.....go back for a 2 week holiday first rather than just sell everything up. If you really do feel like you've missed the place, then at least you know you'll be doing the right thing. If not, you've still got a home to come back to and you've seen family for 2 weeks!! I've become too Canadian now (25 months all-in-all)

uk4canada May 3rd 2006 8:34 am

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Originally Posted by alberta_jaycee
Never....after 17 months in Canada it truly is amazing just how much you've got used to the lifestyle (even though I beat yourself up for months at first being homesick for family and missing daft things like my Morrisons and ASDA!!). But honestly, it's once you actually get back to the UK, you realise how claustrophobic everything is; houses, people, traffic jams as well as the constantly in your face yobs/hoodies :mad:

I would stress to anyone considering giving up what they fought so hard and long for.....go back for a 2 week holiday first rather than just sell everything up. If you really do feel like you've missed the place, then at least you know you'll be doing the right thing. If not, you've still got a home to come back to and you've seen family for 2 weeks!! I've become too Canadian now (25 months all-in-all)

I have been in Canada as PR since Sept 2004. It is just my wife and I with all out family back in England.

Since moving here we have suffered a lot with having to retrain for work, suffering flood damage, depression and a lot besides.

Looking at the big picture, there is no way a herd of stampeding moose would drag me back to the UK. I am even biased to go to visit family. The quality of life here is sooooooooo much better than england I cant even draw a comparison.

There is a constant reminder of the better life which gets me everyday, and that is the Alberta Blue sky, huge, majestic, and warming to the soul..........


NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER ;)

Ruby Murray May 3rd 2006 8:44 am

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Originally Posted by uk4canada
I have been in Canada as PR since Sept 2004. It is just my wife and I with all out family back in England.

Since moving here we have suffered a lot with having to retrain for work, suffering flood damage, depression and a lot besides.

Looking at the big picture, there is no way a herd of stampeding moose would drag me back to the UK. I am even biased to go to visit family. The quality of life here is sooooooooo much better than england I cant even draw a comparison.

There is a constant reminder of the better life which gets me everyday, and that is the Alberta Blue sky, huge, majestic, and warming to the soul..........


NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER ;)

Oooh I'm envious of where you live.....I've always said to my hubby that if we dropped that 6/49 I want a big house built on the top of a hill, in Cochrane, with a mountain view!! I can still dream though!! ;)

Good to know we're in the same club on this issue......I've told my family back home that even if I die here, I don't want my body going back to UK soil......Alberta till I die!! LOL

Craftybanshee May 3rd 2006 8:48 am

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Originally Posted by uk4canada
I have been in Canada as PR since Sept 2004. It is just my wife and I with all out family back in England.

Since moving here we have suffered a lot with having to retrain for work, suffering flood damage, depression and a lot besides.

Looking at the big picture, there is no way a herd of stampeding moose would drag me back to the UK. I am even biased to go to visit family. The quality of life here is sooooooooo much better than england I cant even draw a comparison.

There is a constant reminder of the better life which gets me everyday, and that is the Alberta Blue sky, huge, majestic, and warming to the soul..........


NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER ;)


Confirms what I thought, it takes time to adjust amongst other things, but you get used to it. I'm depressed that we can't even get out there at the moment :( I hate where we live. We'd never move back to London where we're originally from. Things have changed too much there in a decade. I dislike the climate here, overcast for most of the bloody year and my cousin in the US says that us Brits are miserable. Just look at our climate, it's enough to make you scream!!!! :rolleyes: I think I must suffer from S.A.D. The long grey winter really got me down in the UK. I don't care if it's minus 30 in Canada, the fact that the sun shone cheered me up. Also have very little family left here now (I'm a young one in an old family). Hopefully we'll get there another way.

Ruby Murray May 3rd 2006 9:07 am

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Originally Posted by Craftybanshee
Confirms what I thought, it takes time to adjust amongst other things, but you get used to it. I'm depressed that we can't even get out there at the moment :( I hate where we live. We'd never move back to London where we're originally from. Things have changed too much there in a decade. I dislike the climate here, overcast for most of the bloody year and my cousin in the US says that us Brits are miserable. Just look at our climate, it's enough to make you scream!!!! :rolleyes: I think I must suffer from S.A.D. The long grey winter really got me down in the UK. I don't care if it's minus 30 in Canada, the fact that the sun shone cheered me up. Also have very little family left here now (I'm a young one in an old family). Hopefully we'll get there another way.

Hi craftybanshee.....have you submitted any applications to the CIC yet? Alberta has a Provinical Nominee Program (PNP) which could help you immigrate to Canada rather than the harder skilled workers route. We came out here this way as my husbands job title of Aircraft Painter wasn't listed on the N.O.L. If it wouldn't have been for the PNP, we'd still be in Hyde :scared:

Phil43 May 3rd 2006 9:20 am

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Originally Posted by Craftybanshee
Confirms what I thought, it takes time to adjust amongst other things, but you get used to it. I'm depressed that we can't even get out there at the moment :( I hate where we live. We'd never move back to London where we're originally from. Things have changed too much there in a decade. I dislike the climate here, overcast for most of the bloody year and my cousin in the US says that us Brits are miserable. Just look at our climate, it's enough to make you scream!!!! :rolleyes: I think I must suffer from S.A.D. The long grey winter really got me down in the UK. I don't care if it's minus 30 in Canada, the fact that the sun shone cheered me up. Also have very little family left here now (I'm a young one in an old family). Hopefully we'll get there another way.

I cant believe what you are saying. There is nothing more that makes me smile than £1.00 a litre for fuel, overpriced houses, tax tax tax tax tax and more bloody tax "can i take a dump?" " of course but theres a tax on it, Hoodies, scroungers, Traffic jams, even more speed cameras, Rain, tax, a goverment that couldnt run a bath, tax, Not to mention our ethnic cousins ( lets not go there!), chavs, teenage mums that have children to gain a house that dont pay bleeding tax and a benefits system that doesnt benefit me! come to england the land of hope a glory AND tax! :)

Ruby Murray May 3rd 2006 9:27 am

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Originally Posted by Phil43
I cant believe what you are saying. There is nothing more that makes me smile than £1.00 a litre for fuel, overpriced houses, tax tax tax tax tax and more bloody tax "can i take a dump?" " of course but theres a tax on it, Hoodies, scroungers, Traffic jams, even more speed cameras, Rain, tax, a goverment that couldnt run a bath, tax, Not to mention our ethnic cousins ( lets not go there!), chavs, teenage mums that have children to gain a house that dont pay bleeding tax and a benefits system that doesnt benefit me! come to england the land of hope a glory AND tax! :)

LMAO :D

Phil43 May 3rd 2006 9:30 am

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Originally Posted by alberta_jaycee
LMAO :D

What? :confused:

dingbat May 3rd 2006 9:40 am

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Originally Posted by Phil43
I cant believe what you are saying. There is nothing more that makes me smile than £1.00 a litre for fuel, overpriced houses, tax tax tax tax tax and more bloody tax "can i take a dump?" " of course but theres a tax on it, Hoodies, scroungers, Traffic jams, even more speed cameras, Rain, tax, a goverment that couldnt run a bath, tax, Not to mention our ethnic cousins ( lets not go there!), chavs, teenage mums that have children to gain a house that dont pay bleeding tax and a benefits system that doesnt benefit me! come to england the land of hope a glory AND tax! :)

<Really big sigh> It's all here too, in different guises. Gas is now $1.14 a litre - BUT in real terms the wages are lower than the UK and housing prices have rocketed, so it makes the same size if not larger size dent in your wallet. We have yobs, large numbers of teenage and deliberately single Mums, career welfare claimants, druggies on every corner (substitute puking and predictable drunks for unpredictable and violent meth addicts), we have a federal government that is likely just as corrupt as its predecessor, chavs = white trash....shall I continue? BTW your "ethnic" cousins live here in great numbers too, except you are also an immigrant and with a bit of luck, you might suffer some of the same discrimination they do around the world..in fact I know you will. Immigrants disparaging immigrants..I'd stay where you are if I were you, because here you might just find yourself in the minority. :rolleyes:

Ruby Murray May 3rd 2006 9:41 am

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Originally Posted by Phil43
What? :confused:

Surely I'm not the only one who found your brimming tribute to ol' Blighty a little "tongue in cheek".......

I saw plenty of what you said in my 8 months back in Manchester and am glad to say I don't have to deal with anymore.

Unless, I completely misread your post and you love the place really......... ;)

buzz365 May 3rd 2006 9:53 am

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Originally Posted by Phil43
I cant believe what you are saying. There is nothing more that makes me smile than £1.00 a litre for fuel, overpriced houses, tax tax tax tax tax and more bloody tax "can i take a dump?" " of course but theres a tax on it, Hoodies, scroungers, Traffic jams, even more speed cameras, Rain, tax, a goverment that couldnt run a bath, tax, Not to mention our ethnic cousins ( lets not go there!), chavs, teenage mums that have children to gain a house that dont pay bleeding tax and a benefits system that doesnt benefit me! come to england the land of hope a glory AND tax! :)

sorry didnt understand this...................please enlighten me :confused:

Craftybanshee May 3rd 2006 10:06 am

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Originally Posted by Phil43
I cant believe what you are saying. There is nothing more that makes me smile than £1.00 a litre for fuel, overpriced houses, tax tax tax tax tax and more bloody tax "can i take a dump?" " of course but theres a tax on it, Hoodies, scroungers, Traffic jams, even more speed cameras, Rain, tax, a goverment that couldnt run a bath, tax, Not to mention our ethnic cousins ( lets not go there!), chavs, teenage mums that have children to gain a house that dont pay bleeding tax and a benefits system that doesnt benefit me! come to england the land of hope a glory AND tax! :)


Ooohhhhh, I can literally see the acid running off the page there :eek: :D

You lurve Britain, don't you? :confused:

Craftybanshee May 3rd 2006 10:08 am

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Originally Posted by alberta_jaycee
Hi craftybanshee.....have you submitted any applications to the CIC yet? Alberta has a Provinical Nominee Program (PNP) which could help you immigrate to Canada rather than the harder skilled workers route. We came out here this way as my husbands job title of Aircraft Painter wasn't listed on the N.O.L. If it wouldn't have been for the PNP, we'd still be in Hyde :scared:


Sorry, but LMAO here ('cos I'm cracking up). We've recently been rejected after applying for Skilled Worker more than 2 years ago. Just 2 points short, that was all :( Glad you're enjoying your new life tho'

Craftybanshee May 3rd 2006 10:09 am

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Originally Posted by buzz365
sorry didnt understand this...................please enlighten me :confused:


Phil was just having a little vent ............ :rolleyes:

Phil43 May 3rd 2006 10:32 am

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Originally Posted by dingbat
<Really big sigh> It's all here too, in different guises. Gas is now $1.14 a litre - BUT in real terms the wages are lower than the UK and housing prices have rocketed, so it makes the same size if not larger size dent in your wallet. We have yobs, large numbers of teenage and deliberately single Mums, career welfare claimants, druggies on every corner (substitute puking and predictable drunks for unpredictable and violent meth addicts), we have a federal government that is likely just as corrupt as its predecessor, chavs = white trash....shall I continue? BTW your "ethnic" cousins live here in great numbers too, except you are also an immigrant and with a bit of luck, you might suffer some of the same discrimination they do around the world..in fact I know you will. Immigrants disparaging immigrants..I'd stay where you are if I were you, because here you might just find yourself in the minority. :rolleyes:

Maybe if you lived in a place that discriminates you for flying your own flag or celebrating your own religious beliefs for example christmas because its antisocial then maybe you may have something to say on the matter. I am not a racist by no means! Do you not think I have done my investigation into the country and realise that it is a multicultural place and that is what is so appealing? At least there is a structured points system and you have to prove you are beneficial, unlike here! Enough said.

Ruby Murray May 3rd 2006 10:42 am

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Originally Posted by Craftybanshee
Sorry, but LMAO here ('cos I'm cracking up). We've recently been rejected after applying for Skilled Worker more than 2 years ago. Just 2 points short, that was all :( Glad you're enjoying your new life tho'

Really sorry to hear that craftybanshee, 2 lousy points eh.....if you don't mind my asking, what are both your occupations you applied under? Alberta has quite a list of skills shortages that qualify for the PNP you know.....hope you're not too degected.....keep at it if it's your dream :)

Ruby Murray May 3rd 2006 10:46 am

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Originally Posted by Phil43
Maybe if you lived in a place that discriminates you for flying your own flag or celebrating your own religious beliefs for example christmas because its antisocial then maybe you may have something to say on the matter. I am not a racist by no means! Do you not think I have done my investigation into the country and realise that it is a multicultural place and that is what is so appealing? At least there is a structured points system and you have to prove you are beneficial, unlike here! Enough said.

Phil....I hear what you're saying really loud and clear and we wound ourselves up about those same things to the extent we did whatever we could to get out. Have you put an application in for immigration yourself? Would just like to try and help ease that inner frustration you got there :)

Phil43 May 3rd 2006 10:55 am

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Originally Posted by alberta_jaycee
Phil....I hear what you're saying really loud and clear and we wound ourselves up about those same things to the extent we did whatever we could to get out. Have you put an application in for immigration yourself? Would just like to try and help ease that inner frustration you got there :)

Thanks
I just needed to get it out there you know, and this seemed to be the place that got it.
We are in the throws of application and going for a investigation trip soon. (cant wait)
I feel vented now and can concentrate on getting out of here, maybe i am being nieve thinking grass is greener and all that but dont want to be one of those that say "what if"

dingbat May 3rd 2006 11:34 am

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Originally Posted by Phil43
Maybe if you lived in a place that discriminates you for flying your own flag or celebrating your own religious beliefs for example christmas because its antisocial then maybe you may have something to say on the matter. I am not a racist by no means! Do you not think I have done my investigation into the country and realise that it is a multicultural place and that is what is so appealing? At least there is a structured points system and you have to prove you are beneficial, unlike here! Enough said.

I lived in the UK for for most of my life. These things you bemoan were in place when I was there. It's no different here. Happy Christmas = Happy Holidays - same pc stuff applies. The biggest immigrant class is family - and the points system does not apply to them in exactly the same way. You need to do more of that research.

buzz365 May 3rd 2006 11:48 am

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[QUOTE=Phil43]Maybe if you lived in a place that discriminates you for flying your own flag or celebrating your own religious beliefs for example christmas because its antisocial then maybe you may have something to say on the matter.

Sorry but where does this happen in the uk?

buzz365 May 3rd 2006 11:50 am

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Originally Posted by dingbat
I lived in the UK for for most of my life. These things you bemoan were in place when I was there. It's no different here. Happy Christmas = Happy Holidays - same pc stuff applies. The biggest immigrant class is family - and the points system does not apply to them in exactly the same way. You need to do more of that research.

Them ..................you point being?

Ruby Murray May 3rd 2006 12:16 pm

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Originally Posted by Phil43
Thanks
I just needed to get it out there you know, and this seemed to be the place that got it.
We are in the throws of application and going for a investigation trip soon. (cant wait)
I feel vented now and can concentrate on getting out of here, maybe i am being nieve thinking grass is greener and all that but dont want to be one of those that say "what if"

Where in Canada have you got in mind?

dingbat May 3rd 2006 1:16 pm

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Originally Posted by buzz365
Them ..................you point being?

There is no "qualification" criteria (academic, work history etc.) for family class immigrants. The poster was critical of immigrants getting into the UK with no qualification criteria. My point, is that the same criteria applies to the largest number of immigrants into Canada. The posters point is therefore moot.

dbd33 May 3rd 2006 1:19 pm

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Originally Posted by Phil43
Thanks
I just needed to get it out there you know, and this seemed to be the place that got it.
We are in the throws of application and going for a investigation trip soon. (cant wait)
I feel vented now and can concentrate on getting out of here, maybe i am being nieve thinking grass is greener and all that but dont want to be one of those that say "what if"

I cannot be blaming you, it must be torture to be in a country with semi-literate immigrants.

Rich_007 May 3rd 2006 1:41 pm

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Originally Posted by Phil43
Just wondering after the honeymoon period is over and your new life begins for real, does anyone feel like they had a better life back in England? If so How?

NAFCIH

Rich

[Not a F*****g Chance In hell]

tallperson May 3rd 2006 1:47 pm

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Originally Posted by Rich_007
NAFCIH

Rich

[Not a F*****g Chance In hell]

You really have such a way with words it brings a grin to my face just to read it :D

tallperson May 3rd 2006 1:47 pm

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Not

mjanovitz May 3rd 2006 1:48 pm

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[QUOTE=dingbat]<Really big sigh> It's all here too, in different guises. Gas is now $1.14 a litre - BUT in real terms the wages are lower than the UK and housing prices have rocketed, so it makes the same size if not larger size dent in your wallet.QUOTE]

I would disagree with this. We sold our house in the UK for nearly £150k. It was a small three bed semi with no garage. We have looked here at houses and taking in to the account the exchange rate we can get a 3/4 bed bigger detached house with a single or doble garage and a basement for the same money. Seems to me to be twice the house for the same money.

We have only been here since Feb and my Wife starts working on Friday doing a similar job to what she did in the UK but earning not much less than she did in the UK. My chosen career takes a little longer to get in to which is the same as in the UK and my salary will also be slight lower. However it is nowhere near half of what we earned in the UK.

I actually liked the UK and still do, we liked where we lived, we came here for a change really and so far it seems to have been the right decision. It's nice to get up in the mornings and see a clear blue sky (whether its -20 or +20). I have recently bought a new cycle which cost me less than it would have in the UK, and better still despite living in a city there are loads of parks and pathways to ride it.

Public transport here is much better value than in the UK. I used to pay £1.30 for a four mile trip to work. Here you can go all over Toronto for $2.75!

There are the downsides of course....car insurance, air quality can be dubious sometimes, but nowhere is perfect. However for now Canada suits us. I still intend to get back to the UK once a year if I can to visit family. Do miss Heinz beans though, they dont taste the same here.

Mark

Linda P May 3rd 2006 2:35 pm

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Originally Posted by Rich_007
NAFCIH

Rich

[Not a F*****g Chance In hell]



LMAO

:beer: :beer: :beer: here's to the good life, eh!!!


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