Work Ethic
#31
I couldn't have put it better myself.
This is my first Canadian job and a real eye opener, we are so over staffed at the moment it's a joke. What do the managers do? they recruit more of us

If a job needs doing, they sub it out to external companies while we look over them and oversee the project. Gov't jobs are nice, great security and decent money but it would be nice to actually come home from work feeling like you've worked once in a while.
#33
Not a bad description but the consulting, personal or as a pimp, is just jam these days. We make 90% of our income from software royalties, that is recurring fees for the use the of existing programs.
#34
That is strange. The current employer that is looking at me and also has a large presence in Mississagua (around 600 people) told me flat out in one of the interviews that if I could not manage my work-life balance properly then I would not be hired. They almost force you to have a life outside work, which is fine with me 

#35
Yorkshire Lass




Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 288
From: Selby, in the Vale of York, North Yorkshire











I work in a hospital and the work ethic there seems no different to hospitals I worked at in England. The only difference is that there is no afternoon coffee break, and lunch is 30 minutes. Which I prefer, as I would rather go home 30 mins earlier. For me the shift times are much earlier and later, starting at 7.30 to 3.30, 3.30 to 11.30, 11.30 to 7.30. In the UK it most shifts were 8 hours between 8 and 6 with much longer shifts to cover evenings, nights and weekends.
I am supposed to work 8am-4pm but this is rare, i usually work later than 4.00pm and never work weekends unless overtime is paid.
I think, if you work and are prepared to put in extra hours you should be able to fit in anywhere. Is is hard or easy to get a job in a hospital in Canada - i am headed for NS, if my nerves hold out and i have been told i should have no problem, but with my kind of work/job being unionised is this harder still (Medical Secretary). Would appreciate any advice, as i do not want to walk away from all i have if i cannot guarantee some kind of job etc.
Emmjay
#36










Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 9,606

I am not convinced there is a need for govt. employees, be it federal, provincial, municipal, whatever, to actually have a work ethic.
Some do, others don't.
As to working overtime, well in the private sector it usually goes with the territory; however in government, it is usually well rewarded.
Also take into account all those 'sick' or personal days allowed. Quite generous. And, if memory serves, all those 'sick' days not used add up and are either paid out or accumulated so one doesn't have to show up for work, but is still paid full salary, a few months before official retirement.
I am not being critical of such employees but with relatively solid job security as one gains seniority, why would there even be a need for a work ethic?
Some do, others don't.
As to working overtime, well in the private sector it usually goes with the territory; however in government, it is usually well rewarded.
Also take into account all those 'sick' or personal days allowed. Quite generous. And, if memory serves, all those 'sick' days not used add up and are either paid out or accumulated so one doesn't have to show up for work, but is still paid full salary, a few months before official retirement.
I am not being critical of such employees but with relatively solid job security as one gains seniority, why would there even be a need for a work ethic?
#37
Souvette got quite a shock earlier this year when she moved from military administration to public service administration. From what she says, people just don't give a shit. It seems prevalent at all levels. Her boss, a Director General, told her she'd need to go through a period of "detox".
R.
#38










Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 9,606

I have often joked that whenever she goes to a new position there is a need to hire extra cleaning staff, to wash the splattered egos off the walls.
#39
It's hard to balance quality with efficiency, but it's a wonderful skill to be able to deliver such a beast to businesses.
I often describe myself as the guy with the laser beam; Switch it on, scan, analyse, execute, move on.
R.
#40










Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 9,606

I empathise. Sounds like she kicks ass. It's tough working with the fragile ego's of insecurity, incompetence, and sloth.
It's hard to balance quality with efficiency, but it's a wonderful skill to be able to deliver such a beast to businesses.
I often describe myself as the guy with the laser beam; Switch it on, scan, analyse, execute, move on.
R.
It's hard to balance quality with efficiency, but it's a wonderful skill to be able to deliver such a beast to businesses.
I often describe myself as the guy with the laser beam; Switch it on, scan, analyse, execute, move on.
R.
Since the recruitment rules were changed a year or two ago, lots of military admin types have moved into the public service.
#41
Ah yes. If only more people in business knew that. Instead they're more interested inn office politics, mud slinging, character assasination or simply covering their ass in fully operational job-protection mode.
IMHO only 5% of people in business deliver the goods, the rest are useless hangers-on simply there as warm bodies to make up the numbers.
R.
IMHO only 5% of people in business deliver the goods, the rest are useless hangers-on simply there as warm bodies to make up the numbers.
R.
#42
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Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 504
From: Calgary, South by Java Head











I'll use the example of Calgary, which is the work environment that I know best. Exxon/Mobil would be an example of a company that was at the top of the food chain. Exxon/Mobil might hire a consulting engineering firm -- like Colt, Fluor or SNC-Lavalin -- to design a new facility for them. If, say, Fluor is awarded the contract, there may be bits of the work that are too much for them (depending on their current workload), and they may sub-contract those bits to smaller companies. Those smaller companies, in turn, may sub-contract bits of work to individual consultants.
I promise you that, once you get down into the smaller companies and the individual consultants, no one mentions the term work-life balance. They accept any work that comes their way, even if their lives are a sort of feast or famine rollercoaster ride.
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I promise you that, once you get down into the smaller companies and the individual consultants, no one mentions the term work-life balance. They accept any work that comes their way, even if their lives are a sort of feast or famine rollercoaster ride.
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#44

I am very similar. I have a gov't job here in the UK. Work from home 2 days a week - and it is a given that we do bugger all at home.
I KNOW I am in for a shock when I have to get a "proper" job





