What happened to acts of kindness
Jan 16th 2011, 6:09 pm
#17
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Re: What happened to acts of kindness
I also think it is easier if you mix as much as possible with other immigrants. All our friends are immigrants in one way or another. It may be they are looking for new friends as well but, more likely, they share some sort of common experience with you. An experience that locals, particularly the "always lived here" locals will never be able to understand..
Jan 16th 2011, 6:27 pm
#18
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Re: What happened to acts of kindness
It is particularly difficult if you are in an established community because people already have their way of life set. They may be very nice people but they are simply not looking for new friends in the way you are.
Mrs JonboyE put a lot more effort than I did into trying to establish new friendships but I don't think we see anyone now from her active friend hunting days. Lasting friendships seem to happen naturally.
I also think it is easier if you mix as much as possible with other immigrants. All our friends are immigrants in one way or another. It may be they are looking for new friends as well but, more likely, they share some sort of common experience with you. An experience that locals, particularly the "always lived here" locals will never be able to understand.
So rest assured that friendships will happen - you just have to give it time.
Mrs JonboyE put a lot more effort than I did into trying to establish new friendships but I don't think we see anyone now from her active friend hunting days. Lasting friendships seem to happen naturally.
I also think it is easier if you mix as much as possible with other immigrants. All our friends are immigrants in one way or another. It may be they are looking for new friends as well but, more likely, they share some sort of common experience with you. An experience that locals, particularly the "always lived here" locals will never be able to understand.
So rest assured that friendships will happen - you just have to give it time.
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Jan 16th 2011, 6:30 pm
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Re: What happened to acts of kindness
The response of the other parents is within the 90 percentile in Canada, and is abhorrent, and certainly no surprise to me. Again this would NEVER happen in UK. Never!
Some of the other respondents on this thread have been here so long they have lost their Britishness and quick to jump on giving me shit for pointing out facts which shall later become evident to the misery of new immigrants.
Jan 16th 2011, 6:39 pm
#20
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Re: What happened to acts of kindness
This would have been extremely unlikely to happen anywhere else. Such a child as the "special needs" child here described should NOT be out in public. Anybody should be able to see that.
The response of the other parents is within the 90 percentile in Canada, and is abhorrent, and certainly no surprise to me. Again this would NEVER happen in UK. Never!
Some of the other respondents on this thread have been here so long they have lost their Britishness and quick to jump on giving me shit for pointing out facts which shall later become evident to the misery of new immigrants.
The response of the other parents is within the 90 percentile in Canada, and is abhorrent, and certainly no surprise to me. Again this would NEVER happen in UK. Never!
Some of the other respondents on this thread have been here so long they have lost their Britishness and quick to jump on giving me shit for pointing out facts which shall later become evident to the misery of new immigrants.
Those parents should have jumped on that child and held him down until the asylum staff came and took him back. A good birching wouldn't have gone amiss either - the little blighter would have remembered that next time!
Sadly, in Canada, the child has rights. Ridiculous!
Jan 16th 2011, 6:41 pm
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Re: What happened to acts of kindness
This would have been extremely unlikely to happen anywhere else. Such a child as the "special needs" child here described should NOT be out in public. Anybody should be able to see that.
The response of the other parents is within the 90 percentile in Canada, and is abhorrent, and certainly no surprise to me. Again this would NEVER happen in UK. Never!
Some of the other respondents on this thread have been here so long they have lost their Britishness and quick to jump on giving me shit for pointing out facts which shall later become evident to the misery of new immigrants.
The response of the other parents is within the 90 percentile in Canada, and is abhorrent, and certainly no surprise to me. Again this would NEVER happen in UK. Never!
Some of the other respondents on this thread have been here so long they have lost their Britishness and quick to jump on giving me shit for pointing out facts which shall later become evident to the misery of new immigrants.
Jan 16th 2011, 6:44 pm
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Jan 16th 2011, 6:45 pm
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Jan 16th 2011, 6:53 pm
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Jan 16th 2011, 6:57 pm
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Re: What happened to acts of kindness
I realise this is bit of thread drift, but what’s the obsession with trying to make friends with the locals? You obviously have to get on with them at work but other than that why bother? They’re just sort of there and good luck to them, each to their own and all that, but I can’t really see a reason to try and be overtly friends with them. The same with ice hockey, its probably decent enough sport but its got bugger all to do with me, so I don't bother with it.
Jan 16th 2011, 7:05 pm
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Re: What happened to acts of kindness
We decided on West Van purely on the house, even though the garden is unusable. We moved in last November and there didn't seem to be a great selection of houses with a garages and space for all our furniture. Looked at what was available at the time in Deep Cove (expensive), Londsale (new build but small townhomes) and even the Sea to Sky Highway (too far). Some properties were is a poor condition.
We are in British Properties, it's a mix of homes from the 50's which many residents have lived in most of their lives, so their much older than us, not that that's a problem, but younger families to socialise with are few and far between.
We are in British Properties, it's a mix of homes from the 50's which many residents have lived in most of their lives, so their much older than us, not that that's a problem, but younger families to socialise with are few and far between.
Jan 16th 2011, 7:08 pm
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Re: What happened to acts of kindness
I quite agree. Such children should be locked away from the eyes of polite society, in institutions run by god-fearing folk where they can knit socks and do what is appropriate to their lowly station in life. What good can it do to introduce them to the world, a world they can never partake of without being a danger to themselves and others?
Those parents should have jumped on that child and held him down until the asylum staff came and took him back. A good birching wouldn't have gone amiss either - the little blighter would have remembered that next time!
Sadly, in Canada, the child has rights. Ridiculous!
Those parents should have jumped on that child and held him down until the asylum staff came and took him back. A good birching wouldn't have gone amiss either - the little blighter would have remembered that next time!
Sadly, in Canada, the child has rights. Ridiculous!
Jan 16th 2011, 7:17 pm
#28
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Re: What happened to acts of kindness
I realise this is bit of thread drift, but what’s the obsession with trying to make friends with the locals? You obviously have to get on with them at work but other than that why bother? They’re just sort of there and good luck to them, each to their own and all that, but I can’t really see a reason to try and be overtly friends with them. The same with ice hockey, its probably decent enough sport but its got bugger all to do with me, so I don't bother with it.
Jan 16th 2011, 7:18 pm
#29
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Re: What happened to acts of kindness
Ok against my better judgments I shall bite. I child of 7 years of age cannot legally commit an offence as the age of responsability is 12 years of age. Moreover, if one lacks the mental capacity, as it appears is the case here, there is no criminal offence as there is no mens rea, which is the most elementary factor, in addition to actus rea, of an offence. I could also not say with my hand on my heart that the child meant any real ill will.
Had the police been called, we most likely would have attended, and deferred the matter to the minstry. It really is not a police matter. Children are not miniture adults, far from it, less so if they have developmental/mental challenges.
The entire premise of the Youth Criminal Justice Act views children not as small adults, but developing souls who need adult guidance and support. The age of 12 is viewed as the bare minimum where the child is viewed as having had enough exposure to the world to be able to know right from wrong and thus can be held accountable for any actions they may take.
I think you are missing the point as I read the OP as being more disgruntled with the lack of support of other parents, rather than the incident itself or the way in which it was dealt with.
Had the police been called, we most likely would have attended, and deferred the matter to the minstry. It really is not a police matter. Children are not miniture adults, far from it, less so if they have developmental/mental challenges.
The entire premise of the Youth Criminal Justice Act views children not as small adults, but developing souls who need adult guidance and support. The age of 12 is viewed as the bare minimum where the child is viewed as having had enough exposure to the world to be able to know right from wrong and thus can be held accountable for any actions they may take.
I think you are missing the point as I read the OP as being more disgruntled with the lack of support of other parents, rather than the incident itself or the way in which it was dealt with.
Jan 16th 2011, 7:22 pm
#30
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Re: What happened to acts of kindness
I know what you mean. Even in teh UK it tends to be a polite a few words over the fence or when backing out of the drive at the same time. If houses were spaced further apart and not jammed together as in the sterotypical housing estates, I doubt it would be much different than here.