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Re: UK vs Canada vs US
Originally Posted by red_onion
(Post 10790949)
Hmmmm very strong views mate. I wonder if many people share your views or experience. Because things like what you describe could be a major factor in deciding whether to go for it or not.
For some people it works and some it does not. I think if your are determined to make the move you should give it a try. If it doesnt work out then the US and UK will still be there. |
Re: UK vs Canada vs US
Originally Posted by orly
(Post 10786725)
I think an important thing to remember, wherever you end up, is that it won't be like home and you'll gain and lose. You have to do your homework and preferably visit each country at different times/seasons.
I've never lived in the USA but have visited it quite regularly in recent years (always New York state though) due to proximity to Ontario. I always come back to Canada feeling glad. It's somewhat irrational as both countries have a lot in common but overall Canada just feels "better" to me. In many ways Canada and the UK would be more similar than the US and UK. |
Re: UK vs Canada vs US
Originally Posted by christmasoompa
(Post 10790959)
Yes, you can, it depends on the visa route.
People getting bogged down in being pedantic about the immigration system, the point I was making is that he was screwed over by his employer. Which certainly is possible. |
Re: UK vs Canada vs US
Originally Posted by red_onion
(Post 10790949)
Hmmmm very strong views mate. I wonder if many people share your views or experience. Because things like what you describe could be a major factor in deciding whether to go for it or not.
One thing I've said on here many times and I've had people say it to me many times is that the job situation in Canada is more "settled", i.e. they want immigrants and employers need immigrants but there's a middle tier of unions and professional associations who make life difficult for immigrants because they don't want their cart upended. Do a search of the web, you'll find loads of stories like that. Not recognizing foreign qualifications for spurious reasons or telling people to learn Canadian "best practice" even though it is inferior to where you came from, etc. It's especially idiotic in IT fields. Okay yes there are differences, e.g. privacy laws but it's not that huge of a deal. |
Re: UK vs Canada vs US
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 10791146)
FWIW, Canada has not destroyed my career, it is however rife, rife I tell you, with immigrants. These immigrants do typically have older relatives who are not in Canada. And, you know what, so do I!
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Re: UK vs Canada vs US
Originally Posted by Steve_
(Post 10791662)
I don't necessarily disagree with what he said, but he sounds very career orientated. Yes Canada can be dull, but dull is underrated imo. Dull often indicates that the place hasn't got any overt problems. Just look at the banking crisis, Canada's banking system was old-fashioned but that turned out to be a positive.
One thing I've said on here many times and I've had people say it to me many times is that the job situation in Canada is more "settled", i.e. they want immigrants and employers need immigrants but there's a middle tier of unions and professional associations who make life difficult for immigrants because they don't want their cart upended. Do a search of the web, you'll find loads of stories like that. Not recognizing foreign qualifications for spurious reasons or telling people to learn Canadian "best practice" even though it is inferior to where you came from, etc. It's especially idiotic in IT fields. Okay yes there are differences, e.g. privacy laws but it's not that huge of a deal. |
Re: UK vs Canada vs US
Originally Posted by MarylandNed
(Post 10791320)
Where in New York state? Anywhere beyond the Walden Galleria in Buffalo? Much of upstate New York doesn't have much going for it. Judging an entire country on one state (or part of one state) isn't going to give you an accurate assessment. I've split my adult life living and working in various parts of the UK, Canada and the US. The country that feels the most different out of the 3 is definitely the UK. Sure - I'd place Canada somewhere between the US and UK. That's only natural given that, for example, Canada's political, legal and healthcare systems are more like the UK's systems. But in terms of lifestyle and "look and feel", Canada is much more like the US than the UK in my opinion. So I would say Canada and the US are more similar to each other than either are to the UK.
As a whole Canada is closer to the UK than US for me. Except Quebec...it's a weird place. |
Re: UK vs Canada vs US
Originally Posted by red_onion
(Post 10784343)
Hi, I apologies in advance if this has been asked before. My background is as follows. I've been working in IT for over 12 yrs. I live in London and work for one of the big players in IT consultancy. Married with two kids, mortgage etc. I am on the verge of a job offer to join a similar company in Ontario. Learning from the good people of this forum it could take anything between 12 to 18 weeks to get LMO which the company don't mind waiting. My preference really is to immigrate to US and I have posted a few questions on the US section of this forum. Due to job market etc that is yet to materialise. My question I guess is living in Toronto better than London? If so in what aspect? Or do I just wait until I get an opportunity to relocate to US? Does being a Canadian PR/Citizen has any advantage in moving over to US long term? Does anyone has any regrets moving over from these shores? I guess these things are more of a personal experience/account than anything else but I take all advice.
Many thanks We came to the US for a year or two...but somehow we got sucked into things and are still here 17 years later. Most days we wished we'd stayed in the UK. In the US there is no NHS, no employees' rights, the banking system is like stepping back into the dark ages, it is very superficial, I hate US politics more every day, I hate how the US interferes with the politics of other countries, I hate how everything in the US has religion undertones, I hate the right to own firearms...I could go on.... |
Re: UK vs Canada vs US
Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
(Post 10791713)
My husband was an IT partner with one of the big 4...he transferred to the US because he had the opportunity to do so. He has now taken early retirement and we would love to return to the UK...but are settling for Toronto for family reasons. We are now UK and US citizens...neither helps us to move to Canada.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/work/special-business.asp Many Canadians have used it to go the other way and start on the path to PR and US citizenship.
Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
(Post 10791713)
We came to the US for a year or two...but somehow we got sucked into things and are still here 17 years later. Most days we wished we'd stayed in the UK.
In the US there is no NHS, no employees' rights, the banking system is like stepping back into the dark ages, it is very superficial, I hate US politics more every day, I hate how the US interferes with the politics of other countries, I hate how everything in the US has religion undertones, I hate the right to own firearms...I could go on.... Banks are annoying everywhere...not just in the US. The US political system is just sickening at the moment. Just total partisan gridlock. We can't even get increased background checks after what happened at Newtown. The UK has interfered in the politics of many countries too over the years. I hate the religious undertones in the US. The sickening thing is that the people who use it as a weapon aren't really religious at all...they are just twisting it for their own ends. However, religion is also an issue in the UK and "God Save The Queen" is the national anthem. The whole gun thing is a sick joke. I have no idea how the 2nd amendment can be used to allow people to own automatic and semi-automatic weapons capable of killing many people in a short space of time. |
Re: UK vs Canada vs US
Originally Posted by MarylandNed
(Post 10791761)
The health insurance system is a disaster....no doubt about that.
Banks are annoying everywhere...not just in the US. The US political system is just sickening at the moment. Just total partisan gridlock. We can't even get increased background checks after what happened at Newtown. The UK has interfered in the politics of many countries too over the years. I hate the religious undertones in the US. The sickening thing is that the people who use it as a weapon aren't really religious at all...they are just twisting it for their own ends. However, religion is also an issue in the UK and "God Save The Queen" is the national anthem. The whole gun thing is a sick joke. I have no idea how the 2nd amendment can be used to allow people to own automatic and semi-automatic weapons capable of killing many people in a short space of time. |
Re: UK vs Canada vs US
Originally Posted by MarylandNed
(Post 10791761)
Maybe doesn't help you but USC's can take advantage of NAFTA.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/work/special-business.asp Many Canadians have used it to go the other way and start on the path to PR and US citizenship. The health insurance system is a disaster....no doubt about that. Banks are annoying everywhere...not just in the US. The US political system is just sickening at the moment. Just total partisan gridlock. We can't even get increased background checks after what happened at Newtown. The UK has interfered in the politics of many countries too over the years. I hate the religious undertones in the US. The sickening thing is that the people who use it as a weapon aren't really religious at all...they are just twisting it for their own ends. However, religion is also an issue in the UK and "God Save The Queen" is the national anthem. The whole gun thing is a sick joke. I have no idea how the 2nd amendment can be used to allow people to own automatic and semi-automatic weapons capable of killing many people in a short space of time. |
Re: UK vs Canada vs US
It seems every time a US politician is on TV or makes a speech...god comes into it somewhere. Same with many TV political analysts and interviewers. Don't get me started about how politically biased TV journalists are and they give their opinions on TV.
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Re: UK vs Canada vs US
Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
(Post 10791788)
It seems every time a US politician is on TV or makes a speech...god comes into it somewhere. Same with many TV political analysts and interviewers. Don't get me started about how politically biased TV journalists are and they give their opinions on TV.
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Re: UK vs Canada vs US
Originally Posted by orly
(Post 10791811)
Or race. Look at how Zimmerman is being treated when it would appear, based on the evidence, he did nothing against the law.
High profile court cases seem to be a game played by the lawyers on TV. By the time it gets to trial almost everyone and his dog has already formed an opinion...how can the jury be unbiased? |
Re: UK vs Canada vs US
Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
(Post 10791827)
High profile court cases seem to be a game played by the lawyers on TV. By the time it gets to trial almost everyone and his dog has already formed an opinion...how can the jury be unbiased?
The CNN coverage of the trial, though, has been little short of a disgrace. As a somewhat interested outsider it appeared to be heavily biased. Almost becoming a witch hunt. |
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