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Former Lancastrian Jul 4th 2013 7:16 am

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by red_onion (Post 10784656)
thanks for taking your time to reply. I am aware that these things are down to personal experiences hence I am kind of looking for a more general answer. Former Lancastrian Intra company transfer is an option which I am looking at to US but it not looking good due to things being slow. I dont quite know what you mean by why move if employed in the UK. Lack of job is not my primary reason for wanting to move rather life and scenery change both the wife and kids. Again I dont quite get what 'you will run into problems with a company willing to offer you a job' mean but I guess if the company found someone more suitable locally they would employ this person rather than me. US is more appealing to us due to family connections nothing more but what I dont know is whether passing an opportunity like this worth the wait. Again thanks for your time.

Well the scenery will certainly be different from barren tundra in the north to mountains, rolling hills, flat prairie fields and lakes to coastal areas on 3 sides.
Yes you could certainly be happy here or just as if not more miserable if unable to adapt. Even though we speak the same language Canada is not the UK and the UK is not Canada.
Many have gone for it and done extremely well and ok and others have tried it and moved back as they couldn't or did not want to adapt or did not do their homework or were laid off shortly after arriving and could not find other jobs.
Only you can think its worth it or not and live with the outcome be it positive or negative.

CanadaJimmy Jul 4th 2013 11:36 am

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by Steve_ (Post 10784727)
This is a point really that should be in every single thread about immigration on this forum and every immigration forum really, it's just it's so obvious that no-one ever says it.

If you're on a work permit, you are tied to that employer and you essentially have the Sword of Damocles hanging over your head.

It's not a good idea to be on a work permit under any circumstances in any country really if you can avoid it. I mean if you're just nipping over the border like a lot of Canadians do (cross border commuter) it's not so bad but moving from another continent is highly risky.

Forget whether they like you or not, what if they go bust? Or take advantage of you in some way?

For example I remember meeting an American in Calgary who was here on a TWP in the construction industry and his employer basically refused to sponsor him for PR status because they knew given the job market for construction at the time that he would almost certainly leave them. So he ended up moving back to the US.

Being on a work permit sucks, but the reward at the end is worth it in my opinion. It's a tough slog but just because there's an easier option doesn't make it the right option. I hated being on a work permit, it does cast a shadow over everything you do and every decision you make, but it is a solid immigration route and at the end of it you become free and get PR.

Steve_ Jul 4th 2013 4:15 pm

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by CanadaJimmy (Post 10785097)
and at the end of it you become free and get PR.

Maybe. If they'll do the paperwork and they don't go bust or whatever. It is risky.

Steve_ Jul 4th 2013 4:26 pm

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by siouxie (Post 10784744)
If they have PNP nomination and approval then they can get a work permit on the back of that - no LMO required - whilst PR is processing.

But it requires a job offer doesn't it? So you're still at the mercy of the employer to some extent.

I'm not saying don't do it, I'm just saying be sure you want to do it and be prepared in case it falls apart.

Siouxie Jul 4th 2013 4:39 pm

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by Steve_ (Post 10785310)
But it requires a job offer doesn't it? So you're still at the mercy of the employer to some extent.

I'm not saying don't do it, I'm just saying be sure you want to do it and be prepared in case it falls apart.

It depends on the Province and stream, some don't require a job offer at all.

I suppose you have to weigh things up and decide if it's a risk worth taking.

:)

red_onion Jul 4th 2013 8:22 pm

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by siouxie (Post 10785319)
It depends on the Province and stream, some don't require a job offer at all.

I suppose you have to weigh things up and decide if it's a risk worth taking.

:)

If the company choses FSW2 route wouldn't that allow me PR status sometime in future? Would that still tie me to the company? How long before I apply for PR if the initial permit is temporary?

christmasoompa Jul 4th 2013 11:07 pm

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by red_onion (Post 10785494)
If the company choses FSW2 route wouldn't that allow me PR status sometime in future? Would that still tie me to the company? How long before I apply for PR if the initial permit is temporary?

The company wouldn't close FSW cat 2 route, you would, as you'd have to apply for it. But yes, that would get you PR once it's processed (figure about 18 months to get it), until that point you'd be tied to the employer on the TWP.

HTH.

red_onion Jul 5th 2013 12:00 am

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by christmasoompa (Post 10785676)
The company wouldn't close FSW cat 2 route, you would, as you'd have to apply for it. But yes, that would get you PR once it's processed (figure about 18 months to get it), until that point you'd be tied to the employer on the TWP.

HTH.

I see, and what happens if the company and I parted company for whatever reason in between TWP and PR? Would I be allowed to seek another employment or just packing my bag so to speak? What happens to my wife throughout the process? Would she be allowed to work?

Former Lancastrian Jul 5th 2013 12:10 am

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by red_onion (Post 10785750)
I see, and what happens if the company and I parted company for whatever reason in between TWP and PR? Would I be allowed to seek another employment or just packing my bag so to speak? What happens to my wife throughout the process? Would she be allowed to work?

Dependent on your NOC job code she might be eligible to a spousal open work permit based on your work permit. If you lost your job before PR was granted you would need to secure employment either by the FSW route again or have the new employer apply for an LMO.
You being laid off, quitting etc would not affect the spousal open work permit.

red_onion Jul 5th 2013 12:16 am

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 10785763)
Dependent on your NOC job code she might be eligible to a spousal open work permit based on your work permit. If you lost your job before PR was granted you would need to secure employment either by the FSW route again or have the new employer apply for an LMO.
You being laid off, quitting etc would not affect the spousal open work permit.

Lancastrian thanks for swift response, how long do I have before securing another employment? Sorry for pestering you with lots of questions. My NOC code is 2147.

Former Lancastrian Jul 5th 2013 12:34 am

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by red_onion (Post 10785770)
Lancastrian thanks for swift response, how long do I have before securing another employment? Sorry for pestering you with lots of questions. My NOC code is 2147.

Your NOC code is skill level A which allows the spousal open work permit.
Even if you got laid off before the work permit expires you are still eligible to stay as the work permit is still valid (yes strange I know) and search for another job based on the original work permit issued and its validity date.

Aqua Jul 5th 2013 12:38 am

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 
If your on an TWP your tied to the company for the duration unless you can secure employment and a new LMO elsewhere , i was in the same boat when i came over. My wife had an open work permit so this helped until the PR was approved. Best bet is to start the PR process as soon as you can!

red_onion Jul 5th 2013 12:41 am

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 10785795)
Your NOC code is skill level A which allows the spousal open work permit.
Even if you got laid off before the work permit expires you are still eligible to stay as the work permit is still valid (yes strange I know) and search for another job based on the original work permit issued and its validity date.

Oh great! One last question I promises :) does the new company need to apply for a new LMO while I still have a valid work permit? I presume not.

red_onion Jul 5th 2013 12:43 am

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by Aqua (Post 10785800)
If your in an TWP your tied to the company for the duration, i was in the same boat when i came over. My wife had an open work permit so this helped until the PR was approved. Best bet is to start the PR process as soon as you can!

Aqua, thanks. Does the company has any say in your PR application or is this something you can independently?

Aqua Jul 5th 2013 12:56 am

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 
With me the company had nothing to do with the PR process except at the beginning by writing a letter saying my employment was open ended!

The company I worked for was in an industry with very little competition ( Waterpark construction)and they new this, I was reminded on several occasions that I was on a TWP ( Change of conditions and assignment length )..... This was something they did to another guy from Australia too. I resigned a few months before my PR was granted and the amazing part was that the company tried hard to stop the process by writing to the company I now work for threatening non disclosure and such as well as informing CIC I had resigned, fortunately this had no impact!!

Obviously they missed my English humour I guess:thumbsup:

My NOC is 0711


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