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colchar Jul 12th 2013 6:41 am

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10791781)
Religion is a problem in Canada too. In rural areas very many people attend churches and in urban areas significant numbers attend mosques or temples. The Prime Minister is an admitted religionist.

Harper may be religious, but that does not inform his policies the way it does for politicians in the U.S.

And Harper isn't terribly religious, especially not by U.S. standards. First, he grew up a Liberal who worshiped Trudeau. Second, his kids do not attend religious schools. Third, he and his wife weren't even married in a church, they were married at Calgary City Hall. Hardly the actions of a religious fanatic as some like to make him out to be.

MarylandNed Jul 12th 2013 6:43 am

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 10797262)
There is just something not right about a country whose citizens have the right to bear arms...full stop.

Yeah I was thinking about that the other day. Imagine this scenario. You get into a traffic accident. You get out of your car to approach the person in the other car. They pull a gun out of the glove box and shoot you dead. They later claim they felt threatened by you and so defended themselves. Where does this end?

Guns just make it too easy to kill people. At least if the other person gets out of the car to fight with fists, a baseball bat or a knife, you have a chance or you could avoid them. With a gun you have no chance.

MarylandNed Jul 12th 2013 6:46 am

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10797146)
I think it's an important point for Zimmerman's side that he thought Martin to be black. If his case is that every time he sees someone walking in the complex he calls the cops and then, taking up his gun, follows them, he's plainly bonkers. In order to be at all credible he has to be able to convey that he had reason to be suspicious, racism gives him that reason.

And therein lies the problem for the defense. I'm sure the jurors will be asking themselves if Zimmerman would have behaved the same way if the kid had not been black. The fact that the jurors have a verdict of manslaughter as an option must be a real worry for the defense team.

Jerseygirl Jul 12th 2013 6:50 am

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by MarylandNed (Post 10797274)
Yeah I was thinking about that the other day. Imagine this scenario. You get into a traffic accident. You get out of your car to approach the person in the other car. They pull a gun out of the glove box and shoot you dead. They later claim they felt threatened by you and so defended themselves. Where does this end?

Guns just make it too easy to kill people. At least if the other person gets out of the car to fight with fists, a baseball bat or a knife, you have a chance or you could avoid them. With a gun you have no chance.

Agreed...it's ludicrous...but many Americans cling onto that outdated right.

colchar Jul 12th 2013 6:51 am

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by Steve_ (Post 10793481)

Why Mark Carney is considered to be that brilliant of a banker I'm not sure, the reason Canada did better during the recession was simply that the Liberals paid down the national debt in the 1990s.


The Liberals only did that by increasing EI premiums, making it more difficult to claim, and then raiding the excess to claim that they had managed the budget properly.




Also some of the more obviously stupid financial problems the US had are illegal or don't exist in Canada, e.g. the home mortgage tax deduction or securitized mortgages and so on.
Exactly. The government and the Bank of Canada refused to allow Canadian banks to engage in the practices that U.S. and British banks engaged in. Carney was part of that so he was partially responsible for the stability of the Canadian banking system during the recession and for steering Canada's economy through that recession.

dbd33 Jul 12th 2013 6:58 am

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by colchar (Post 10797272)
Harper may be religious, but that does not inform his policies the way it does for politicians in the U.S.

Gay marriage. Abortion. These are issues on which he's taken a stance I would say is influenced by religion. I suggest that he's more influenced by religion than Obama or Clinton, any major US politician since Reagan. This goes way back; Stockwell Day, Jason Kenney and Jim Flaherty, close associates of Harper, have all worked with Ralph Reed. I don't think the religious right is concerned with national borders, all people need saving from sin.

Besides, "not terribly religious" is like "not terribly cancerous". Either he is a religionist or he isn't. If he attends church then he's not different from politicians in the same position as the US.

Almost Canadian Jul 12th 2013 8:30 am

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 10797262)
There is just something not right about a country whose citizens have the right to bear arms...full stop.

Citizens of Canada and Britain may possess arms

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 12th 2013 10:32 am

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 10791713)
My husband was an IT partner with one of the big 4...he transferred to the US because he had the opportunity to do so. He has now taken early retirement and we would love to return to the UK...but are settling for Toronto for family reasons. We are now UK and US citizens...neither helps us to move to Canada.

We came to the US for a year or two...but somehow we got sucked into things and are still here 17 years later. Most days we wished we'd stayed in the UK.

In the US there is no NHS, no employees' rights, the banking system is like stepping back into the dark ages, it is very superficial, I hate US politics more every day, I hate how the US interferes with the politics of other countries, I hate how everything in the US has religion undertones, I hate the right to own firearms...I could go on....

Employee rights in Canada are not much better, and since it varies by state in the US, several US states, (California for example) have better employee rights then what you will find in Canada.

Example breaks, in BC there is a loophole where an employer can just pay you instead of giving you a break, no requirement that the employee actually get a break. And trust me employers love to just pay you instead of giving breaks. In 15 jobs I have had in Canada over the years, only 1 provided a break. The rest operated on the bare min. staff of 1 for each 8 hour shift, so no breaks.

In California for example, breaks are mandatory, and only the employee can waive them, the employer cannot.

You have the right to own fire arms in Canada as well, and again in the US its state specific since the states do most of the regulating of them, some are stricter the others. Try to get a concealed permit in California, very difficult, and if your carrying a gun in public and its loaded, your likely going to jail.

Religion, some of the most religious places I have been to are in Canada, the bible belt of various Canadian area's are just as bad as the US Bible belt.

All again depends on where you are in the US, and where you are in Canada, more urban a place is the less religion their tends to be, the less urban areas tend to be more religious.

jimmydean Jul 12th 2013 10:34 am

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by red_onion (Post 10784343)
.......... is living in Toronto better than London?


I don't even have to go to Toronto to know that the answer to this question is................ no.

Good luck

dbd33 Jul 12th 2013 1:36 pm

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 10797415)
Citizens of Canada and Britain may possess arms

I have some firearms, I think most people who live in the country in Canada have a rifle or shotgun or both. I have a close colleague who lives in Virginia, suburban Washington DC, he's aghast at the liberalism of the gun usage laws here but, I suppose, the laws (if any) in New Hampshire would give him a conniption. Guns, at least long guns, just aren't a differentiator between the US and Canada.

Jsmth321 is bang on about the labour laws, whenever we've had jobs in California they've been contracted in another State, or in Ontario, to avoid the strict labour and employer liability codes there.

MarylandNed Jul 13th 2013 9:23 am

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by jimmydean (Post 10797588)

Originally Posted by red_onion (Post 10784343)
.......... is living in Toronto better than London?

I don't even have to go to Toronto to know that the answer to this question is................ no.

I've lived in Toronto and London. I enjoyed living in London but I actually preferred living in Toronto. It depends on a lot of factors including individual preferences regarding interests, lifestyle, etc.

Steve_ Jul 13th 2013 12:39 pm

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 10796872)
I'm not sure what your asterisks conceal but I don't think he made any comment on Zimmerman's sexual proclivities.

According to his friend who was on the phone with him, that's what he called Zimmermann. She testified to that in court.

Steve_ Jul 13th 2013 12:41 pm

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by colchar (Post 10797285)
Exactly. The government and the Bank of Canada refused to allow Canadian banks to engage in the practices that U.S. and British banks engaged in. Carney was part of that so he was partially responsible for the stability of the Canadian banking system during the recession and for steering Canada's economy through that recession.

Carney had nothing to do with it, that was my point, he came on the scene too late. All of the stuff stopping people from trading in dodgy things on US markets was already in place or the banks in Canada outright decided not to deal with them (I remember seeing the head of BMO investments interviewed).

The mortgage tax credits, property tax deductions were all done away with in Canada back in the 1980s, but they still exist in the US and encouraged people to buy houses.

Steve_ Jul 13th 2013 12:49 pm

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 10797262)
There is just something not right about a country whose citizens have the right to bear arms...full stop.

It's based on British common law, read Blackstone. It was put into the constitutions of the original States and that's where it came from in the Federal Bill of Rights.

But anyway, by any reasonable comparison, New Jersey has slightly tougher gun laws than Canada does.

When that shooting at the food hall in the Eaton Centre in Toronto happened I remember seeing some idiot on some political show going on about how it could be worse and it could be like Chicago but hey don't worry, Toronto has tougher gun laws... er no... Chicago at the time had way tougher gun laws. They've since been forced to change them by various court rulings.

But yet Canada has one-seventh the rate of firearm-related homicide that the US does and the difference between Chicago and Toronto is gigantic.

My personal view is that it is a difference in culture more than anything else. No argument about the differences in law can explain the huge difference in the rate of armed crime.

red_onion Jul 14th 2013 10:25 pm

Re: UK vs Canada vs US
 

Originally Posted by jimmydean (Post 10797588)
I don't even have to go to Toronto to know that the answer to this question is................ no.

Good luck

Jimmy care to explain why you think that is the case?


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