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Old Mar 26th 2014, 8:57 pm
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Originally Posted by R I C H
The puzzlement is as much as to why 'anywhere' in Canada is better than 'anywhere' in the UK. Given the emotional strains, logistical issues, financial pressures, losing immediate family and friend networks etc, it's a choice I find odd. Are Canadian career opportunities and prospects that much better to not care where you live?
Maybe - for some people at least. I know some people who have moved because the opportunity was so good career-wise and/or financially that they felt they had to take it no matter what. Of course, some of them had no intention of remaining beyond a certain period of time so the fact that the geography/climate/lifestyle wasn't a good fit didn't particularly bother them because they were on a fixed timeline before moving on.
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Old Mar 26th 2014, 9:58 pm
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There's another aspect to this discussion which I think needs airing: simple practicality.

The first international move we made (from Cambridge to near Los Angeles) was in 1977 (20-odd years pre internet), so online research tools weren't available. The move was made by someone (myself) earning 3600 pounds gross a year and my wife earning about half that amount. A recce was impossible for us in our financial circumstances.

Indeed the last work-related relocation I made was in 1993, admittedly post internet but not by much. Before google maps and web forums by a long way.

However by then I'd gained enough seniority to have the prospective employer offer to pay for recce trips for both of us, in addition to paying travel costs & living expenses for me to present a research lecture ahead of the offer.

These conditions don't apply to many.

I've been lucky.

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There's another aspect to this discussion which I think needs airing: simple practicality.

The first international move we made (from Cambridge to near Los Angeles) was in 1977 (20-odd years pre internet), so online research tools weren't available. The move was made by someone (myself) earning 3600 pounds gross a year and my wife earning about half that amount. A recce was impossible for us in our financial circumstances.

Indeed the last work-related relocation I made was in 1993, admittedly post internet but not by much. Before google maps and web forums by a long way.

However by then I'd gained enough seniority to have the prospective employer offer to pay for recce trips for both of us, in addition to paying travel costs & living expenses for me to present a research lecture ahead of the offer.

These conditions don't apply to many.

I've been lucky.
That takes me back to when my (then) husband and I moved to Hong Kong to take up a teaching post in 1979, the salary was around £3800 a year and there was no chance of doing a recce - we literally had 48 hours to decide if he wanted the job or not. Our shipping allowance consisted of the equivalent of 8 tea chests and we packed all our worldly belongings and off we went. Arriving in mid-summer, to temperatures in the high 30's and 97% humidity (and no central air) we did wonder what on earth we had let ourselves in for! We had been allocated housing (which we paid a percentage of salary for) on the far south coast of HK island but his job was by the Kowloon tunnel to the NT's (more than 2 hours by public transport, at that time) - we did manage to renegotiate the living arrangements, but it was a stressful time. Had a wonderful few years though...


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Old Mar 26th 2014, 10:17 pm
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That takes me back to when my (then) husband and I moved to Hong Kong to take up a teaching post in 1979, the salary was around £3800 a year and there was no chance of doing a recce - we literally had 48 hours to decide if he wanted the job or not. Our shipping allowance consisted of the equivalent of 8 tea chests and we packed all our worldly belongings and off we went. Arriving in mid-summer, to temperatures in the high 30's and 97% humidity (and no central air) we did wonder what on earth we had let ourselves in for! We had been allocated housing (which we paid a percentage of salary for) on the far south coast of HK island but his job was by the Kowloon tunnel to the NT's (more than 2 hours by public transport, at that time) - we did manage to renegotiate the living arrangements, but it was a stressful time. Had a wonderful few years though...

£3800 a year? Bourgeois pigs!
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Originally Posted by R I C H
The puzzlement is as much as to why 'anywhere' in Canada is better than 'anywhere' in the UK. Given the emotional strains, logistical issues, financial pressures, losing immediate family and friend networks etc, it's a choice I find odd. Are Canadian career opportunities and prospects that much better to not care where you live?
I sometimes wonder about this too, reading some of the posts on this forum

But then, I never moved countries to *get away* from the UK. I moved (UK-France-UK-Hong Kong-brief stint in Oz-HK-UK-France-Canada), in the spirit of adventure, new horizons, some interesting jobs along the way, and once as a trailing spouse.

Along the way, I ended up in Qc, with young children in tow, & rightly or wrongly, although I really had a hard time settling, I stayed because I didn't want to uproot them again.

Canada/Qc was never on my list of places to visit (see trailing spouse comment above ), but it did "tick the boxes" of my necessary criteria *at the time*. I did a lot of (pre-internet) research; 2 (winter) recce trips, & agreed to move.

I've survived, prospered for a while, struggled sometimes, divorced, & still heartily hate the winters!!

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I sometimes wonder about this too, reading some of the posts on this forum

But then, I never moved countries to *get away* from the UK. I moved (UK-France-UK-Hong Kong-brief stint in Oz-HK-UK-France-Canada), in the spirit of adventure, new horizons, some interesting jobs along the way, and once as a trailing spouse.

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Yes, that certainly is important as well. I think one of you should start a new thread about Travelling the World While Living in a Bean Can. Memories of a Forgotten Era.
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Default Re: The truth about winter in Canada.

Originally Posted by R I C H
The puzzlement is as much as to why 'anywhere' in Canada is better than 'anywhere' in the UK. Given the emotional strains, logistical issues, financial pressures, losing immediate family and friend networks etc, it's a choice I find odd. Are Canadian career opportunities and prospects that much better to not care where you live?
"Anywhere" is an odd choice indeed. I can't imagine anyone that would say that would have done any actual research beyond some pictures and a holiday show on TV (do they still do those any more? ).

But then just travelling there with a brief idea of wanting to stay is a bit odd. Kinda depends on where you're coming from and what you'll be happy to leave behind.

Maybe even just giving yourself the change it so desperately needs.
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"Anywhere" is an odd choice indeed. I can't imagine anyone that would say that would have done any actual research beyond some pictures and a holiday show on TV (do they still do those any more? ).

But then just travelling there with a brief idea of wanting to stay is a bit odd. Kinda depends on where you're coming from and what you'll be happy to leave behind.

Maybe even just giving yourself the change it so desperately needs.
I briefly looked, but have you decided yet where you'll be living?
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Actually young Jedi, you don't agree with RICH. You belong to the anywhere in Malta is better than anywhere in Canada minority.
Well "Anywhere in Malta" isn't really a category. Malta is all the same because its so small
If Malta doesn't work out I might emigrate to the UK, Oz or NZ so that's not necessarily true either. Malta is just my first choice.
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Well "Anywhere in Malta" isn't really a category. Malta is all the same because its so small
If Malta doesn't work out I might emigrate to the UK, Oz or NZ so that's not necessarily true either. Malta is just my first choice.
Good to know. ABC eh?
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Yes, that certainly is important as well. I think one of you should start a new thread about Travelling the World While Living in a Bean Can.
Huh? Have I been whooshed?

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You calling me old?? ! !

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Huh? Have I been whooshed?



You calling me old?? ! !

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Madame! As my sig line used to say, "I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now".

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Madame! As my sig line used to say, "I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now".

Whooshed?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whoosh

(My use of the term very probably dates me; I learnt it on Usenet...)

(I was wondering about the "... Living in a Bean Can" reference?)



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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whoosh

(My use of the term very probably dates me; I learnt it on Usenet...)

(I was wondering about the "... Living in a Bean Can" reference?)



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Oh, I see. Sorry. the reference was to a Peter Cook and Dudley Moore TV programme from, err, a long time ago.

If I know BristolUK he'll provide the youtube link presently.
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Oh, I see. Sorry. the reference was to a Peter Cook and Dudley Moore TV programme from, err, a long time ago.

If I know BristolUK he'll provide the youtube link presently.
Oh Crikey. I now feel officially old. But no longer whooshed, I just hadn't thought back far enough ... I "get" the Pete & Dud reference ...

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