traffic in canada
Sep 18th 2002, 10:10 pm
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Re: traffic in canada
people who complain about traffic conditions are arghhh!! you guys should drive in india or thailand!!!
not only are the roads full of potholes, half the time they are flooded with backed up sewage, the concept of a "sidewalk" dosnt exist, hawkers set up stalls *on* the road itself, traffic consists of trucks, buses, cars, motorbikes, bicycles, rickshaws, pedestrians, cows, dogs, the occasional buffalo all going in their own different direction on the same lane at the same time with no clue that they are not the only ones trying to use the road...
i have no problem sitting in a nice air conditioned car on an expressway in the middle of the rush hour jammed in with a few hundered other cars all pointing in the same direction... so i get in to work a half hour late... big deal.. atleast a buffalo didnt decide to take a crap on my hood...
not only are the roads full of potholes, half the time they are flooded with backed up sewage, the concept of a "sidewalk" dosnt exist, hawkers set up stalls *on* the road itself, traffic consists of trucks, buses, cars, motorbikes, bicycles, rickshaws, pedestrians, cows, dogs, the occasional buffalo all going in their own different direction on the same lane at the same time with no clue that they are not the only ones trying to use the road...
i have no problem sitting in a nice air conditioned car on an expressway in the middle of the rush hour jammed in with a few hundered other cars all pointing in the same direction... so i get in to work a half hour late... big deal.. atleast a buffalo didnt decide to take a crap on my hood...
Sep 19th 2002, 5:07 am
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Re: traffic in canada
Originally posted by Tom Masters:
I noticed in a previous thread that Bodza Bodza mentioned the daily commute to work could be worse in Canada compared to the UK. One of the reasons we are thinking of leaving the UK is because of the traffic. Maybe it is because we live near the M4 which is always at a standstill mainly due to accidents. I was under the impression that because of the wider, larger roads and less people, there was less traffic congestion. Is this true or is it just as bad/worse in Canada?
Tom
I noticed in a previous thread that Bodza Bodza mentioned the daily commute to work could be worse in Canada compared to the UK. One of the reasons we are thinking of leaving the UK is because of the traffic. Maybe it is because we live near the M4 which is always at a standstill mainly due to accidents. I was under the impression that because of the wider, larger roads and less people, there was less traffic congestion. Is this true or is it just as bad/worse in Canada?
Tom
Everyone is right it all depends were you live, I can go back to Britain and I still would'nt drive on those roads its a bit to much for me, but I can drive in Vancouver b.c or on any of the roads Calgrey ,Edmonton no problem, but in down town Liverpool nooo way!!!!
Sep 19th 2002, 11:56 pm
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Re: traffic in canada
Tom Masters wrote:
> I noticed in a previous thread that Bodza Bodza mentioned the daily
> commute to work could be worse in Canada compared to the UK. One of the
> reasons we are thinking of leaving the UK is because of the traffic.
> Maybe it is because we live near the M4 which is always at a standstill
> mainly due to accidents. I was under the impression that because of the
> wider, larger roads and less people, there was less traffic congestion.
> Is this true or is it just as bad/worse in Canada?
OK one thing at a time. For Canada I can only speak for Toronto.
1. I have done the Mississauga to Keele and Finch commute across the
2.
3. I have done the Brampton to Dundas and 427 commute from 410 to 401
to 427.
4. I have done the Brampton to Downtown Toronto commute from 410 to
401 to 427 to QEW.
I have no idea how far these are in Kms but I can take a guess.
5. is about 15-20kms? From 1994 to 1996 this commute took about an
hour. I left about 8 and got there about 9-9.15. At least once a week
I was up to 30 minutes late because of accidents. At least one a month
I was more than an hour late because the highway was blocked
completely.
6. Is 20-25kms? From 1998 to 2001 this commute took about an hour and
a half sometimes two hours. I typically had to leave at 7am to get
there for 9.
It was easier to get off the highway if there was an accident but I
was still late at least once a week.
7. Is 30-35Kms? 2001 only. This commute took about two hours. Same
stats for accidents.
Sometimes I took the subway from Kipling to Union and then walked. It
didn't save any time to get to Kipling (approx 427 and dundas) and
then take the subway instead of the QEW.
Traffic in the USA seems to be as bad as traffic in Toronto in major
metro areas. This based upon hitting metro areas at rush hour while
driving from Detroit to Houston Texas over the course of a couple of
days. I can't say what it's like to compare on a day to day basis.
I can say that driving the commute in Toronto is pretty fragging slow.
It's much worse than the commute in Glasgow. It is equal to the
commute in London, England in terms of traffic density (based upon
driving on the M25 four or five times. Although the M25 is a bit worse
since it's ALWAYS jammed).
But as far as morning commutes go, there's nothing in it. The Toronto
commute is just as bad as the London commute. And whilst the Toronto
subway *does* have *much* bigger and comfier cars, it is no faster
than the London underground.
Also, frustratingly, it only covers a subsection of the Toronto
sprawl.
If you're lucky enough to live right beside a subway station, you're
set.
But of course, rent will rocket the closer you are....
I've also done the Go-Train from Brampton to Toronto which is not bad.
It normally took about an hour to an hour and a half. It doesn't run
often enough, however, finishing too early at 6 or 7.
Personally I don't think "escaping the traffic" is a very good reason
to move to another metro-urban area *anywhere* in the world.
If you want to avoid traffic, move to a smaller city or move to the
country.
This is equally valid in Canada as it is in the UK.
You made me laugh though when you said you thought larger wider roads
and less people make for safer roads.
That's what I thought too. But there are two things that seems to have
conspired together to make that not so (hence the ridiculous insurance
rates $2000 or even more *best case*. If you get in an accident you
will be $5000 a year!)
But I digress: The two things that conspire to make the traffic
equally bad in spite of wider roads and less people are
a. Wider roads makes for sloppier driving. Same as SUVs: People in
SUVs don't slow down in the Snow because they think they're
indestructible. Problem is they're right: If they get in an accident
they will probably survive pretty good, but it sure does block the
highway whilst their truck is towed away.
b. Less people *ALL* get on the highway even if it would be quicker to
go on a side-road. I don't know why this is, but I observed that the
Queensway which runs parallel to the QEW was often empty when the QEW
was jammed. Same goes for north south routes parallel to the 427
(though not in all cases - the 27 is just as jammed as the 427).
To summarize: If you're thinking of moving to Toronto, strike traffic
off of your list of reasons.... There are other, better reasons for
moving there such as better weather, more space, tons of cheap, good,
restaurants...
> I noticed in a previous thread that Bodza Bodza mentioned the daily
> commute to work could be worse in Canada compared to the UK. One of the
> reasons we are thinking of leaving the UK is because of the traffic.
> Maybe it is because we live near the M4 which is always at a standstill
> mainly due to accidents. I was under the impression that because of the
> wider, larger roads and less people, there was less traffic congestion.
> Is this true or is it just as bad/worse in Canada?
OK one thing at a time. For Canada I can only speak for Toronto.
1. I have done the Mississauga to Keele and Finch commute across the
2.
3. I have done the Brampton to Dundas and 427 commute from 410 to 401
to 427.
4. I have done the Brampton to Downtown Toronto commute from 410 to
401 to 427 to QEW.
I have no idea how far these are in Kms but I can take a guess.
5. is about 15-20kms? From 1994 to 1996 this commute took about an
hour. I left about 8 and got there about 9-9.15. At least once a week
I was up to 30 minutes late because of accidents. At least one a month
I was more than an hour late because the highway was blocked
completely.
6. Is 20-25kms? From 1998 to 2001 this commute took about an hour and
a half sometimes two hours. I typically had to leave at 7am to get
there for 9.
It was easier to get off the highway if there was an accident but I
was still late at least once a week.
7. Is 30-35Kms? 2001 only. This commute took about two hours. Same
stats for accidents.
Sometimes I took the subway from Kipling to Union and then walked. It
didn't save any time to get to Kipling (approx 427 and dundas) and
then take the subway instead of the QEW.
Traffic in the USA seems to be as bad as traffic in Toronto in major
metro areas. This based upon hitting metro areas at rush hour while
driving from Detroit to Houston Texas over the course of a couple of
days. I can't say what it's like to compare on a day to day basis.
I can say that driving the commute in Toronto is pretty fragging slow.
It's much worse than the commute in Glasgow. It is equal to the
commute in London, England in terms of traffic density (based upon
driving on the M25 four or five times. Although the M25 is a bit worse
since it's ALWAYS jammed).
But as far as morning commutes go, there's nothing in it. The Toronto
commute is just as bad as the London commute. And whilst the Toronto
subway *does* have *much* bigger and comfier cars, it is no faster
than the London underground.
Also, frustratingly, it only covers a subsection of the Toronto
sprawl.
If you're lucky enough to live right beside a subway station, you're
set.
But of course, rent will rocket the closer you are....
I've also done the Go-Train from Brampton to Toronto which is not bad.
It normally took about an hour to an hour and a half. It doesn't run
often enough, however, finishing too early at 6 or 7.
Personally I don't think "escaping the traffic" is a very good reason
to move to another metro-urban area *anywhere* in the world.
If you want to avoid traffic, move to a smaller city or move to the
country.
This is equally valid in Canada as it is in the UK.
You made me laugh though when you said you thought larger wider roads
and less people make for safer roads.
That's what I thought too. But there are two things that seems to have
conspired together to make that not so (hence the ridiculous insurance
rates $2000 or even more *best case*. If you get in an accident you
will be $5000 a year!)
But I digress: The two things that conspire to make the traffic
equally bad in spite of wider roads and less people are
a. Wider roads makes for sloppier driving. Same as SUVs: People in
SUVs don't slow down in the Snow because they think they're
indestructible. Problem is they're right: If they get in an accident
they will probably survive pretty good, but it sure does block the
highway whilst their truck is towed away.
b. Less people *ALL* get on the highway even if it would be quicker to
go on a side-road. I don't know why this is, but I observed that the
Queensway which runs parallel to the QEW was often empty when the QEW
was jammed. Same goes for north south routes parallel to the 427
(though not in all cases - the 27 is just as jammed as the 427).
To summarize: If you're thinking of moving to Toronto, strike traffic
off of your list of reasons.... There are other, better reasons for
moving there such as better weather, more space, tons of cheap, good,
restaurants...
Sep 20th 2002, 3:40 am
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Re: traffic in canada
He had mentioned earlier that he was planning to move to Hamilton or London, so I'm guessing he won't be commuting to Toronto. Hamilton doesn't have much in the way of traffic within town, and London has practically no traffic. If I were living in Hamilton/Burlington and commuting to Toronto (an INSANE idea), I'd take the Go Train for sure.
Another thing that people seem to be completely ignoring re: commuting traffic is that the easiest way to avoid it is to live downtown, which is also a hell of a lot more fun. Or you could least live close enough to downtown to take a subway or streetcar (not a bus. Ugh. Except in Ottawa where they have the Transitway)
Another thing that people seem to be completely ignoring re: commuting traffic is that the easiest way to avoid it is to live downtown, which is also a hell of a lot more fun. Or you could least live close enough to downtown to take a subway or streetcar (not a bus. Ugh. Except in Ottawa where they have the Transitway)
Sep 20th 2002, 12:09 pm
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AM wrote:
> Forrest wrote in message news:...
> >(snip) ........
> >Ugh. Except in
> >Ottawa where they have the Transitway)
> wait for a bus in Ottawa at night in winter - I wouldn't even recommend
> it for brass monkeys.......
But brass monkeys wouldn't travel except with the gun carriage they're
holding the cannon balls for! The saying has nothing to do with the
anatomical parts of a primate!
> Forrest wrote in message news:...
> >(snip) ........
> >Ugh. Except in
> >Ottawa where they have the Transitway)
> wait for a bus in Ottawa at night in winter - I wouldn't even recommend
> it for brass monkeys.......
But brass monkeys wouldn't travel except with the gun carriage they're
holding the cannon balls for! The saying has nothing to do with the
anatomical parts of a primate!
Sep 20th 2002, 11:18 pm
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You know you can always ride the subway if you don't like traffic in Toronto.
Sep 23rd 2002, 4:30 pm
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if i may 
I'm a canadian citizen in the US waiting for my wife's PR. We go
to Canada thru Lewiston. Man, the difference in driving habits is
horrendous. In the US, where i live anyway, the police presence is
phenomenal on the Interstate, hence people slow up a bit (don't want to mess
with a Maryland State Trooper), when we cross into Canada and hit the QEW,
it's like no mans land. You drive 85 or be squashed! (thats 85 mph not km/h)
no signalling lane changes i forgot what it was like. Thats the only thing i
don't miss about Ontario, is the lack of regard for safety on the highways..
Just thought i'd say that, ignore me if you choose to
Taisto
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I'm a canadian citizen in the US waiting for my wife's PR. We goto Canada thru Lewiston. Man, the difference in driving habits is
horrendous. In the US, where i live anyway, the police presence is
phenomenal on the Interstate, hence people slow up a bit (don't want to mess
with a Maryland State Trooper), when we cross into Canada and hit the QEW,
it's like no mans land. You drive 85 or be squashed! (thats 85 mph not km/h)
no signalling lane changes i forgot what it was like. Thats the only thing i
don't miss about Ontario, is the lack of regard for safety on the highways..
Just thought i'd say that, ignore me if you choose to
Taisto
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Sep 24th 2002, 3:27 am
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you should come and driveo n the motorway in UK. As the speedlimit is 70mph
the average speed for the lanes in the centre is between 80-90 and the
outside lanes are most often more like 90-110. When i drive on the motorway
im frequently never below 90mph just to keep in with the traffic. In fact my
driving instructor when I was taking my passpolus course including some
motorway driving said not to bother driving below 80.
Germany has it best though with its Autobahns and no speed limit.
Drew
"taisto" wrote in message
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m...
> if i may I'm a canadian citizen in the US waiting for my wife's PR. We
go
> to Canada thru Lewiston. Man, the difference in driving habits is
> horrendous. In the US, where i live anyway, the police presence is
> phenomenal on the Interstate, hence people slow up a bit (don't want to
mess
> with a Maryland State Trooper), when we cross into Canada and hit the QEW,
> it's like no mans land. You drive 85 or be squashed! (thats 85 mph not
km/h)
> no signalling lane changes i forgot what it was like. Thats the only thing
i
> don't miss about Ontario, is the lack of regard for safety on the
highways..
> Just thought i'd say that, ignore me if you choose to
> Taisto
> AftonOkla wrote in message
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> Toronto.
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the average speed for the lanes in the centre is between 80-90 and the
outside lanes are most often more like 90-110. When i drive on the motorway
im frequently never below 90mph just to keep in with the traffic. In fact my
driving instructor when I was taking my passpolus course including some
motorway driving said not to bother driving below 80.
Germany has it best though with its Autobahns and no speed limit.
Drew
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m...
> if i may
I'm a canadian citizen in the US waiting for my wife's PR. Wego
> to Canada thru Lewiston. Man, the difference in driving habits is
> horrendous. In the US, where i live anyway, the police presence is
> phenomenal on the Interstate, hence people slow up a bit (don't want to
mess
> with a Maryland State Trooper), when we cross into Canada and hit the QEW,
> it's like no mans land. You drive 85 or be squashed! (thats 85 mph not
km/h)
> no signalling lane changes i forgot what it was like. Thats the only thing
i
> don't miss about Ontario, is the lack of regard for safety on the
highways..
> Just thought i'd say that, ignore me if you choose to
> Taisto
> AftonOkla wrote in message
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> Toronto.
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Sep 24th 2002, 4:49 am
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Re: traffic in canada
And I am a Canadian citizen as well, but residing in Toronto, I enjoy
extremely driving at high speeds, 150-160kph, I have been doing it for over
18 ys without one little crash, I can doing it around Toronto (not during
rush hours), but when I go to the States I am forced to slow down within the
speed limit. Cops everywhere! State troopers, highway rangers, local police,
you name it, man, here in Ontario it's a paradise for drivers like me.
For Labor Day weekend I took a trip to Chicago, from Detroit to Chicago and
back to Detroit, I can recall over 12 police cruisers, but from Toronto to
Windsor and back to Toronto just ONE! In Ontario there are no cops on the
road (except in Toronto on 40 kph speed zones, mostly school zones, with
their laser radar gun), because there is NO need for them.
And about signaling lane changes, it might be bad in Ontario, but as soon as
you get into Michigan, then Illinois, Indiana, etc., NOBODY, I repeat,
NOBODY bothers to signal a change lane, and I'm talking about freeways. But
go down to Texas, Arizona, Nevada and mostly California, it's a different
world. I was there last December, I couldn't believe the difference.
Everybody was signaling any lane change.
Maybe the South is more civilized than the North.
And by the way, I LOVE driving on Long Island Expressway (up to the exit for
Huntington), it's similar as QEW in S. Ontario.
Chris
PS Speed does NOT kill, lack of driving experience at ANY speed kills.
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m...
> if i may I'm a canadian citizen in the US waiting for my wife's PR. We
go
> to Canada thru Lewiston. Man, the difference in driving habits is
> horrendous. In the US, where i live anyway, the police presence is
> phenomenal on the Interstate, hence people slow up a bit (don't want to
mess
> with a Maryland State Trooper), when we cross into Canada and hit the QEW,
> it's like no mans land. You drive 85 or be squashed! (thats 85 mph not
km/h)
> no signalling lane changes i forgot what it was like. Thats the only thing
i
> don't miss about Ontario, is the lack of regard for safety on the
highways..
> Just thought i'd say that, ignore me if you choose to
> Taisto
> AftonOkla wrote in message
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> Toronto.
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extremely driving at high speeds, 150-160kph, I have been doing it for over
18 ys without one little crash, I can doing it around Toronto (not during
rush hours), but when I go to the States I am forced to slow down within the
speed limit. Cops everywhere! State troopers, highway rangers, local police,
you name it, man, here in Ontario it's a paradise for drivers like me.
For Labor Day weekend I took a trip to Chicago, from Detroit to Chicago and
back to Detroit, I can recall over 12 police cruisers, but from Toronto to
Windsor and back to Toronto just ONE! In Ontario there are no cops on the
road (except in Toronto on 40 kph speed zones, mostly school zones, with
their laser radar gun), because there is NO need for them.
And about signaling lane changes, it might be bad in Ontario, but as soon as
you get into Michigan, then Illinois, Indiana, etc., NOBODY, I repeat,
NOBODY bothers to signal a change lane, and I'm talking about freeways. But
go down to Texas, Arizona, Nevada and mostly California, it's a different
world. I was there last December, I couldn't believe the difference.
Everybody was signaling any lane change.
Maybe the South is more civilized than the North.
And by the way, I LOVE driving on Long Island Expressway (up to the exit for
Huntington), it's similar as QEW in S. Ontario.
Chris
PS Speed does NOT kill, lack of driving experience at ANY speed kills.
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> if i may
I'm a canadian citizen in the US waiting for my wife's PR. Wego
> to Canada thru Lewiston. Man, the difference in driving habits is
> horrendous. In the US, where i live anyway, the police presence is
> phenomenal on the Interstate, hence people slow up a bit (don't want to
mess
> with a Maryland State Trooper), when we cross into Canada and hit the QEW,
> it's like no mans land. You drive 85 or be squashed! (thats 85 mph not
km/h)
> no signalling lane changes i forgot what it was like. Thats the only thing
i
> don't miss about Ontario, is the lack of regard for safety on the
highways..
> Just thought i'd say that, ignore me if you choose to
> Taisto
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> Toronto.
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Sep 24th 2002, 7:47 pm
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> Germany has it best though with its Autobahns and no speed limit.
Alas few and far between now...
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Alas few and far between now...
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Sep 25th 2002, 10:56 pm
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Summons is in the post :-)
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> you should come and driveo n the motorway in UK. As the speedlimit is
70mph
> the average speed for the lanes in the centre is between 80-90 and the
> outside lanes are most often more like 90-110. When i drive on the
motorway
> im frequently never below 90mph just to keep in with the traffic. In fact
my
> driving instructor when I was taking my passpolus course including some
> motorway driving said not to bother driving below 80.
> Germany has it best though with its Autobahns and no speed limit.
> Drew
> "taisto" wrote in message
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> /url]...
> > if i may I'm a canadian citizen in the US waiting for my wife's PR.
We
> go
> > to Canada thru Lewiston. Man, the difference in driving habits is
> > horrendous. In the US, where i live anyway, the police presence is
> > phenomenal on the Interstate, hence people slow up a bit (don't want to
> mess
> > with a Maryland State Trooper), when we cross into Canada and hit the
QEW,
> > it's like no mans land. You drive 85 or be squashed! (thats 85 mph not
> km/h)
> > no signalling lane changes i forgot what it was like. Thats the only
thing
> i
> > don't miss about Ontario, is the lack of regard for safety on the
> highways..
> >
> > Just thought i'd say that, ignore me if you choose to
> >
> > Taisto
> > AftonOkla wrote in message
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> > > You know you can always ride the subway if you don't like traffic in
> > Toronto.
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> you should come and driveo n the motorway in UK. As the speedlimit is
70mph
> the average speed for the lanes in the centre is between 80-90 and the
> outside lanes are most often more like 90-110. When i drive on the
motorway
> im frequently never below 90mph just to keep in with the traffic. In fact
my
> driving instructor when I was taking my passpolus course including some
> motorway driving said not to bother driving below 80.
> Germany has it best though with its Autobahns and no speed limit.
> Drew
> "taisto" wrote in message
> [url="news:[email protected]"]news:[email protected][-
> /url]...
> > if i may
I'm a canadian citizen in the US waiting for my wife's PR.We
> go
> > to Canada thru Lewiston. Man, the difference in driving habits is
> > horrendous. In the US, where i live anyway, the police presence is
> > phenomenal on the Interstate, hence people slow up a bit (don't want to
> mess
> > with a Maryland State Trooper), when we cross into Canada and hit the
QEW,
> > it's like no mans land. You drive 85 or be squashed! (thats 85 mph not
> km/h)
> > no signalling lane changes i forgot what it was like. Thats the only
thing
> i
> > don't miss about Ontario, is the lack of regard for safety on the
> highways..
> >
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Sep 26th 2002, 1:14 am
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Re: traffic in canada
For me, nothing beats Sydney, Australia in terms of driving maniacs. The
traffic is bad, the people are bad tempered and it seems that no one's turn
signal works any more. And everyone is in a hurry. If you live on a main
road and are turning into your driveway, you have to slow down, but beware,
you will incur the ire of all who have to slow down to 80 behind you *lol*.
I even read a report from the daily newspaper there that a woman shot
another person in a fit of road rage - and this woman did it in front of
her kids who were sitting in the car at the time! I seriously think they
are heading the way of LA with drive by shootings and road rage. By
comparison I think drivers in Canada (espeically here in Calgary) are
courteous and well behaved. What a nice change!
Karina
"Chris" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
m...
> And I am a Canadian citizen as well, but residing in Toronto, I enjoy
> extremely driving at high speeds, 150-160kph, I have been doing it for
over
> 18 ys without one little crash, I can doing it around Toronto (not during
> rush hours), but when I go to the States I am forced to slow down within
the
> speed limit. Cops everywhere! State troopers, highway rangers, local
police,
> you name it, man, here in Ontario it's a paradise for drivers like me.
> For Labor Day weekend I took a trip to Chicago, from Detroit to Chicago
and
> back to Detroit, I can recall over 12 police cruisers, but from Toronto to
> Windsor and back to Toronto just ONE! In Ontario there are no cops on the
> road (except in Toronto on 40 kph speed zones, mostly school zones, with
> their laser radar gun), because there is NO need for them.
> And about signaling lane changes, it might be bad in Ontario, but as soon
as
> you get into Michigan, then Illinois, Indiana, etc., NOBODY, I repeat,
> NOBODY bothers to signal a change lane, and I'm talking about freeways.
But
> go down to Texas, Arizona, Nevada and mostly California, it's a different
> world. I was there last December, I couldn't believe the difference.
> Everybody was signaling any lane change.
> Maybe the South is more civilized than the North.
> And by the way, I LOVE driving on Long Island Expressway (up to the exit
for
> Huntington), it's similar as QEW in S. Ontario.
> Chris
> PS Speed does NOT kill, lack of driving experience at ANY speed kills.
> "taisto" wrote in message
> [url="news:[email protected]"]news:[email protected][-
> /url]...
> > if i may I'm a canadian citizen in the US waiting for my wife's PR.
We
> go
> > to Canada thru Lewiston. Man, the difference in driving habits is
> > horrendous. In the US, where i live anyway, the police presence is
> > phenomenal on the Interstate, hence people slow up a bit (don't want to
> mess
> > with a Maryland State Trooper), when we cross into Canada and hit the
QEW,
> > it's like no mans land. You drive 85 or be squashed! (thats 85 mph not
> km/h)
> > no signalling lane changes i forgot what it was like. Thats the only
thing
> i
> > don't miss about Ontario, is the lack of regard for safety on the
> highways..
> >
> > Just thought i'd say that, ignore me if you choose to
> >
> > Taisto
> > AftonOkla wrote in message
> > news:20020920191852.0900-
> > [email protected] ...
> > > You know you can always ride the subway if you don't like traffic in
> > Toronto.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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traffic is bad, the people are bad tempered and it seems that no one's turn
signal works any more. And everyone is in a hurry. If you live on a main
road and are turning into your driveway, you have to slow down, but beware,
you will incur the ire of all who have to slow down to 80 behind you *lol*.
I even read a report from the daily newspaper there that a woman shot
another person in a fit of road rage - and this woman did it in front of
her kids who were sitting in the car at the time! I seriously think they
are heading the way of LA with drive by shootings and road rage. By
comparison I think drivers in Canada (espeically here in Calgary) are
courteous and well behaved. What a nice change!
Karina
"Chris" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
m...
> And I am a Canadian citizen as well, but residing in Toronto, I enjoy
> extremely driving at high speeds, 150-160kph, I have been doing it for
over
> 18 ys without one little crash, I can doing it around Toronto (not during
> rush hours), but when I go to the States I am forced to slow down within
the
> speed limit. Cops everywhere! State troopers, highway rangers, local
police,
> you name it, man, here in Ontario it's a paradise for drivers like me.
> For Labor Day weekend I took a trip to Chicago, from Detroit to Chicago
and
> back to Detroit, I can recall over 12 police cruisers, but from Toronto to
> Windsor and back to Toronto just ONE! In Ontario there are no cops on the
> road (except in Toronto on 40 kph speed zones, mostly school zones, with
> their laser radar gun), because there is NO need for them.
> And about signaling lane changes, it might be bad in Ontario, but as soon
as
> you get into Michigan, then Illinois, Indiana, etc., NOBODY, I repeat,
> NOBODY bothers to signal a change lane, and I'm talking about freeways.
But
> go down to Texas, Arizona, Nevada and mostly California, it's a different
> world. I was there last December, I couldn't believe the difference.
> Everybody was signaling any lane change.
> Maybe the South is more civilized than the North.
> And by the way, I LOVE driving on Long Island Expressway (up to the exit
for
> Huntington), it's similar as QEW in S. Ontario.
> Chris
> PS Speed does NOT kill, lack of driving experience at ANY speed kills.
> "taisto" wrote in message
> [url="news:[email protected]"]news:[email protected][-
> /url]...
> > if i may
I'm a canadian citizen in the US waiting for my wife's PR.We
> go
> > to Canada thru Lewiston. Man, the difference in driving habits is
> > horrendous. In the US, where i live anyway, the police presence is
> > phenomenal on the Interstate, hence people slow up a bit (don't want to
> mess
> > with a Maryland State Trooper), when we cross into Canada and hit the
QEW,
> > it's like no mans land. You drive 85 or be squashed! (thats 85 mph not
> km/h)
> > no signalling lane changes i forgot what it was like. Thats the only
thing
> i
> > don't miss about Ontario, is the lack of regard for safety on the
> highways..
> >
> > Just thought i'd say that, ignore me if you choose to
> >
> > Taisto
> > AftonOkla wrote in message
> > news:20020920191852.0900-
> > [email protected] ...
> > > You know you can always ride the subway if you don't like traffic in
> > Toronto.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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