Ticket, Ticket,Ticket.
Sep 3rd 2016 | 4:47 am
#16
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Re: Ticket, Ticket,Ticket.
The top link in post #2 on this thread gives somewhat of an explanation.
Certain offences carry demerit points and the number will affect insurance rates and driving licence renewals.
Some offences have no demerit points and use a sliding scale of fines levied.
Others well maybe SGI spin the Wheel of Fortune and whatever it lands on is your fine.
Certain offences are classed as Criminal Code Offences such as street racing and others are either Provincial Highway Traffic Act offences or City or Municipal offences.
The education part comes in after accumulating X amount of points or having the licence suspended. The current system of ticket ticket ticket just rakes in more money. There again one might look at your offences racked up and think did he even read the Drivers handbook
Must have read some of it to pass the test UNLESS it was a reciprocal change of licence from the UK to Saskatchewan and no test were administered therefore the onus would be on the driver to educate themselves.
Walking a dog with no leash is a heinous crime punishable by making you drink Tim Hortons coffee for 3 months as a penalty in some Provinces.
Certain offences carry demerit points and the number will affect insurance rates and driving licence renewals.
Some offences have no demerit points and use a sliding scale of fines levied.
Others well maybe SGI spin the Wheel of Fortune and whatever it lands on is your fine.
Certain offences are classed as Criminal Code Offences such as street racing and others are either Provincial Highway Traffic Act offences or City or Municipal offences.
The education part comes in after accumulating X amount of points or having the licence suspended. The current system of ticket ticket ticket just rakes in more money. There again one might look at your offences racked up and think did he even read the Drivers handbook
Must have read some of it to pass the test UNLESS it was a reciprocal change of licence from the UK to Saskatchewan and no test were administered therefore the onus would be on the driver to educate themselves.Walking a dog with no leash is a heinous crime punishable by making you drink Tim Hortons coffee for 3 months as a penalty in some Provinces.
Sep 3rd 2016 | 5:19 am
#17
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We don`t display stickers over here in Saskatchewan no more, that was fazed out a couple of years ago. Canada is so confusing with every Province having its own different rules and regulations.
Since we have lived in Canada we have received numerous tickets all with various levels of financial punishment. My question is "how is the level of financial punishment calculated?". On what basis?
* Received ticket for
Parking too close to a bus stop $?
Parking in the wrong direction of traffic (outside our house, we live in a crescent!) $?
Parking in front of a mail box $?
Speeding in a school zone (school is in a commercial area of the city - lots of tickets here) $250
Speeding in the middle of nowhere (15 kmh over speed limit on one of the longest straightest roads you could imagine, not a kid in sight, cop was hiding in the bushes) $150
$250 dog not registered (sorry Max we forgot all about you)
$100 walking my dog in a off leash dog park without having a leash in my possession (my dog weighs 15lb, any problem I just pick him up)
Driving without due care and attention (SUV driving 15kmh in side street, wheel hit a deep ice rut and bumped across into a parked car). We contested this in court as we blamed the City for not grading the side streets. Judge told us "This is Canada you have to drive to the conditions".$?
No registration on vehicle $580... I shall repeat this just so you know it was not a typo $580.
They may be others I have missed. Am I a criminal? I feel like one. Should I be deported back to the UK where I never received a driving endorsement in 15 years and zero criminal convictions.
The point I am making here is that this particular part of Canada has a ticket mentality to enforce the law and prevent crime. Instead of ticket, ticket.ticket would it not be better to have education, education,education? Is it not in the best interest of the general public to prevent crime rather than to have to enforce it?
Since we have lived in Canada we have received numerous tickets all with various levels of financial punishment. My question is "how is the level of financial punishment calculated?". On what basis?
* Received ticket for
Parking too close to a bus stop $?
Parking in the wrong direction of traffic (outside our house, we live in a crescent!) $?
Parking in front of a mail box $?
Speeding in a school zone (school is in a commercial area of the city - lots of tickets here) $250
Speeding in the middle of nowhere (15 kmh over speed limit on one of the longest straightest roads you could imagine, not a kid in sight, cop was hiding in the bushes) $150
$250 dog not registered (sorry Max we forgot all about you)
$100 walking my dog in a off leash dog park without having a leash in my possession (my dog weighs 15lb, any problem I just pick him up)
Driving without due care and attention (SUV driving 15kmh in side street, wheel hit a deep ice rut and bumped across into a parked car). We contested this in court as we blamed the City for not grading the side streets. Judge told us "This is Canada you have to drive to the conditions".$?
No registration on vehicle $580... I shall repeat this just so you know it was not a typo $580.
They may be others I have missed. Am I a criminal? I feel like one. Should I be deported back to the UK where I never received a driving endorsement in 15 years and zero criminal convictions.
The point I am making here is that this particular part of Canada has a ticket mentality to enforce the law and prevent crime. Instead of ticket, ticket.ticket would it not be better to have education, education,education? Is it not in the best interest of the general public to prevent crime rather than to have to enforce it?
Wowzers!!!! That is a lot of tickets
Sep 3rd 2016 | 5:19 am
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I like your sense of humor... I think I am a tad too old for street racing but what the hell I will give it a go if I can find somebody to race me. Your explanation makes sense but echos my point about how law enforcement is so confusing in Canada. For example we have different laws in each province. Then within that province we have different law enforcement agencies such as RCMP, City Cops, University Cops, Animal law enforcement officers on bikes (these were the ones who did me for not having Max on a leash).
Ironically I am a class 1A driver (never had a conviction as a 1A driver) who works for a local transport company. I assess new drivers who have applied to work for our
company. How funny is that?
Ironically I am a class 1A driver (never had a conviction as a 1A driver) who works for a local transport company. I assess new drivers who have applied to work for our
company. How funny is that?
Sep 3rd 2016 | 5:22 am
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Muskoka, Ontario
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I like your sense of humor... I think I am a tad too old for street racing but what the hell I will give it a go if I can find somebody to race me. Your explanation makes sense but echos my point about how law enforcement is so confusing in Canada. For example we have different laws in each province. Then within that province we have different law enforcement agencies such as RCMP, City Cops, University Cops, Animal law enforcement officers on bikes (these were the ones who did me for not having Max on a leash).
Ironically I am a class 1A driver (never had a conviction as a 1A driver) who works for a local transport company. I assess new drivers who have applied to work for our
company. How funny is that?
Ironically I am a class 1A driver (never had a conviction as a 1A driver) who works for a local transport company. I assess new drivers who have applied to work for our
company. How funny is that?
Sep 3rd 2016 | 5:22 am
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Looking at all the tickets you say you have received, alarming more than funny! Learning the rules of the road is not that hard and whether we agree or not, the penalties are not a dark deep secret.
Sep 3rd 2016 | 5:38 am
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I agree with you, but honestly I have a life and I don`t have time to read through list and list of law regulations...if this is the price I have to pay for having a life then its worth every penny.....what happened to the law of common sense officer? UUUUHHHHH we don`t apply that over here as I stand there with my dog under my arm.
Sep 3rd 2016 | 5:51 am
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Muskoka, Ontario
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I agree with you, but honestly I have a life and I don`t have time to read through list and list of law regulations...if this is the price I have to pay for having a life then its worth every penny.....what happened to the law of common sense officer? UUUUHHHHH we don`t apply that over here as I stand there with my dog under my arm.
Sep 3rd 2016 | 6:06 am
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I agree with you, but honestly I have a life and I don`t have time to read through list and list of law regulations...if this is the price I have to pay for having a life then its worth every penny.....what happened to the law of common sense officer? UUUUHHHHH we don`t apply that over here as I stand there with my dog under my arm.
It may not be about your life either, or maybe it will if you encounter another driver cannot understand the rules of the road.
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Sep 3rd 2016 | 7:30 am
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Ever since Staff/Sgt Woods' wife ran off with that Englishman.... 
Sep 3rd 2016 | 8:58 am
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We are digressing here but that is OK, if this conversation continues by this time next week we will be debating the pros and cons of artificially inseminating pigs. To get back on topic! The point I am making is that to me (living in one of the cities with the highest crime records) there seems to be too much of this big stick mentality to enforce the law. I see very little focus on education and awareness programs. We just seem to saturate our streets with cops and punish every possible conviction with a ticket. We are continually being made aware of what a wonderful job our law enforcement officers are doing by issuing record numbers of tickets in a given time period. But is this what we want?
Let me run this one by you for your thoughts as an example
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Exceeding the speed limit through a work zone is a conviction....No brainer! But obviously this did not work so now we see signs saying fines doubled for this this offence....we would all agree that this makes sense. This did not work because now we see signs saying fines tripled!! ....OK now what next? Fines quadrupled and we will re-posses your house...There has to be a point were we realize this is not working and perhaps we should be educating rather than hitting people with a big stick. The big stick mentality has limited impact on enforcing the law, we need education, education, education.
My personal long list of convictions is a testimony to this.
Let me run this one by you for your thoughts as an example
.
Exceeding the speed limit through a work zone is a conviction....No brainer! But obviously this did not work so now we see signs saying fines doubled for this this offence....we would all agree that this makes sense. This did not work because now we see signs saying fines tripled!! ....OK now what next? Fines quadrupled and we will re-posses your house...There has to be a point were we realize this is not working and perhaps we should be educating rather than hitting people with a big stick. The big stick mentality has limited impact on enforcing the law, we need education, education, education.
My personal long list of convictions is a testimony to this.
Sep 3rd 2016 | 9:17 am
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Education agreed can be useful but it has limited reach as we have seen in many other aspects of life.
Why do we teach kids about hard drugs i.e. cocaine, heroin and meth?
How much literature is their out there, how many documentaries or news articles have their been about these products being killers or costly highly addictive and dangerous to your health?
How about smoking, excessive alcohol, driving fast on ice,snow and slush covered roads?
Im sure some of us have had experiences in being told not to stick a live electrical cord in our mouths or touching a hot gas/electric burner but we did it as kids and survived I know I did but that was it the one time and never again at an early age. Now we start talking about adults who will still do things even when there is a plethora of info on a certain thing that is bad for you.
We all make choices knowing that some things are wrong but we do them anyway even with education and the consequences that come with them.
Rather than pay a huge fine would you be in agreement with the Police impounding your vehicle at a minimal cost for minor offences for say periods of 2 weeks to a year. Would that educate you or others as literature sure doesn't. If the sign says STOP then what do you do? The sign is telling you/educating you what to do but it gets ignored. Im wondering how they could educate you more on that aspect as I doubt a one hour class on what to do at a STOP sign would be interesting unless learning STOP in a multitude of different languages just in case you were driving in Saudi Arabia or Ecuador.
Why do we teach kids about hard drugs i.e. cocaine, heroin and meth?
How much literature is their out there, how many documentaries or news articles have their been about these products being killers or costly highly addictive and dangerous to your health?
How about smoking, excessive alcohol, driving fast on ice,snow and slush covered roads?
Im sure some of us have had experiences in being told not to stick a live electrical cord in our mouths or touching a hot gas/electric burner but we did it as kids and survived I know I did but that was it the one time and never again at an early age. Now we start talking about adults who will still do things even when there is a plethora of info on a certain thing that is bad for you.
We all make choices knowing that some things are wrong but we do them anyway even with education and the consequences that come with them.
Rather than pay a huge fine would you be in agreement with the Police impounding your vehicle at a minimal cost for minor offences for say periods of 2 weeks to a year. Would that educate you or others as literature sure doesn't. If the sign says STOP then what do you do? The sign is telling you/educating you what to do but it gets ignored. Im wondering how they could educate you more on that aspect as I doubt a one hour class on what to do at a STOP sign would be interesting unless learning STOP in a multitude of different languages just in case you were driving in Saudi Arabia or Ecuador.
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Sep 3rd 2016 | 9:21 am
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You're a crap driver mate, terrible pet owner too. You get given a free licence(no test) and then complain about the laws of the country are punishing you for not knowing the law!
GENUINELY, YOU WILL GET MORE TICKETS AND ALL WILL BE YOUR FAULT, LEARN THE LAWS OF THE COUNTRY AND PROVINCE YOU ARE DRIVING IN.
As a class 1 licence holder, I suspect you have never been in any accidents whilst driving, but I bet you see plenty in your mirrors! I just wonder what carnage you leave behind you.
GENUINELY, YOU WILL GET MORE TICKETS AND ALL WILL BE YOUR FAULT, LEARN THE LAWS OF THE COUNTRY AND PROVINCE YOU ARE DRIVING IN.
As a class 1 licence holder, I suspect you have never been in any accidents whilst driving, but I bet you see plenty in your mirrors! I just wonder what carnage you leave behind you.
Sep 3rd 2016 | 9:43 am
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I find I get along a lot better by rejecting the culture of victim-hood. If you don't have any real excuses take responsibility for what you do because the law will force the issue anyway. If you're having trouble remembering the law take a refresher course. The reason we have huge fines in Saskatchewan for speeding in the orange zone is because a 1A driver put his rig through a pregnant flag-person.
Sep 3rd 2016 | 10:31 am
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Uneducated!... I had to take a test, its the law.
Must be wonderful to be able to walk on snow and not leave a footprint.
Must be wonderful to be able to walk on snow and not leave a footprint.
Sep 3rd 2016 | 10:41 am
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I know all about that incident with the flag person it was a tragedy....but my point is big fines and making the fines bigger won`t bring back to life this dead person and her baby. More education in place to prevent this happening is more beneficial than the big stick mentality we have in place now. Its a draconian mentality that is not working. Unless law enforcement is about raising money for the new police station that was recently built, then in that respect its working....how cynical am I?
