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Souvenir Aug 10th 2006 6:20 am

Re: Security threats!!!
 

Originally Posted by dbd33
Why then do we need new measures that are not aimed at dealing with biological or chemical weapons?

We already have them. Air Canada no longer serves food on domestic routes.

dbd33 Aug 10th 2006 6:28 am

Re: Security threats!!!
 

Originally Posted by Souvenir
We already have them. Air Canada no longer serves food on domestic routes.

On flights to the US they now offer President's Choice instant meals, Harvey's hamburgers or astonishingly bad pizza (brand forgotten). All of it for extortionate prices. It would be the height of cruelty to confiscate AC passengers own food and make them starve or pay for that swill.

On edit : I don't mind Harvey's burgers on the ground but, after hours of heating, they're horrible puck like objects.

Mercedes Aug 10th 2006 6:29 am

Re: Security threats!!!
 

Originally Posted by dbd33
Why then do we need new measures that are not aimed at dealing with biological or chemical weapons?

Because there are many forms that they can use, not just chemical or biological, laptops in the past have been bomb, mobile phones, toothpastes, lipsticks, they just use different things to hide what they want. They don't have to be big to cause damage. All innocent looking things, can be put together with the right know how and in minutes. Imagine someone taking something into the toilet, and putting it together, all innocent looking stuff. At 30,000 feet what do you think even a small blast in a plane would do.

There are sites on the internet showing how to make bombs, you would think the governments would close them down wouldn't you?

dbd33 Aug 10th 2006 6:35 am

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Originally Posted by Mercedes
Because there are many forms that they can use, not just chemical or biological, laptops in the past have been bomb, mobile phones, toothpastes, lipsticks, they just use different things to hide what they want. They don't have to be big to cause damage. All innocent looking things, can be put together with the right know how and in minutes. Imagine someone taking something into the toilet, and putting it together, all innocent looking stuff. At 30,000 feet what do you think even a small blast in a plane would do.

There are sites on the internet showing how to make bombs, you would think the governments would close them down wouldn't you?

No. I wouldn't expect governments (other than the Chinese one) to attempt to censor the internet.

Yes, it is possible to blow up an aeroplane, but why use carry on luggage? Why not place the laptop with the bomb in it in the hold like in the Toshiba adverts? Messing around with passenger's carry on is only a worthwhile incovenience if there is some benefit; I'd sooner the effort went into banning people over 200lbs and those roll along bags with the ankle slashing legs.

iaink Aug 10th 2006 6:42 am

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Given the infrequency of highjackings/ bombings/ general nastyness, and the fact you seldom hear of anyone being arrested for trying it on. Wouldnt that indicate that the current measures seem to be sufficient?

Intelegence and rounding up terrorists in advance has to be a better use of resources than a knee jerk increase in gate security across the board.

In the long term the real battle has to be the battle for hearts and minds so one group doesnt feel the need to try and kill large numbers of strangers at random to make some neopolitical point, but I dont see anything being done on that front. Blowing up houses and displacing large groups of refugees would seem to be counterproductive to me :confused:

Mercedes Aug 10th 2006 6:59 am

Re: Security threats!!!
 

Originally Posted by dbd33
No. I wouldn't expect governments (other than the Chinese one) to attempt to censor the internet.

Yes, it is possible to blow up an aeroplane, but why use carry on luggage? Why not place the laptop with the bomb in it in the hold like in the Toshiba adverts? Messing around with passenger's carry on is only a worthwhile incovenience if there is some benefit; I'd sooner the effort went into banning people over 200lbs and those roll along bags with the ankle slashing legs.

Well they didn't use that method in 911, they had other targets to use the plane for to cause maximum damage. In hand luggage you don't have sniffer dogs around you do you, they might detect it, also it might not go on the right plane, have you never had your luggage end up somewhere else, also the hold handlers do throw your luggage around abit, have you not had any come out damaged or opened. So the risk is higher in putting it in the hold, plus it might accidentally be set off if some handler is rough with the case. So instead of having 200 people killed it may just be one. But even if they had it in the hold, they might want to detonate it over a particular place, hence why key rings, car zappers etc may be used....the other thing is maybe they want the control. Who knows, I can't understand anyone blowing themselves up anyway or killing innocent people who have never done them any harm.

Lees147 Aug 10th 2006 7:57 am

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At the end of the day even if in it's whole life time these new proposals save 1 persons life then that is well worth all the hassle of changing from a backpack to a clear plastic bag. And banning a few unsolicite items.

Also in terms of letting the terrorist 'win' sitting back and not trying to stop them is called giving up against them.

Also it doesn't happen very often as everyone keeps saying but if they don't get stopped what's to say that they don't increase this from an anual event to a weekly event

Rich_007 Aug 10th 2006 8:00 am

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Originally Posted by dbd33
Chill dude, get something from those posters in BC to relax you.

BC isn't a physical place, it's a metaphysical state of mind. Dude. :D

Rich.

dbd33 Aug 10th 2006 8:02 am

Re: Security threats!!!
 

Originally Posted by Lees147
At the end of the day even if in it's whole life time these new proposals save 1 persons life then that is well worth all the hassle of changing from a backpack to a clear plastic bag. And banning a few unsolicite items.

Also in terms of letting the terrorist 'win' sitting back and not trying to stop them is called giving up against them.

Also it doesn't happen very often as everyone keeps saying but if they don't get stopped what's to say that they don't increase this from an anual event to a weekly event

On consideration, banning computers from planes is just silly. Passengers can't check them because they're valuable and they can't travel without them.

Lees147 Aug 10th 2006 8:08 am

Re: Security threats!!!
 

Originally Posted by dbd33
On consideration, banning computers from planes is just silly. Passengers can't check them because they're valuable and they can't travel without them.

If your laptop is worth potentially killing someone then you can have that on your conscience. It is not just laptops it could be a remote control or anything which has 'remote' capabilities.

Don't get me wrong it is an inconveiniece but there was life before these technologies came around and there will be without them.

If it is that desperate then the airlines may allow you to be able to register valuable/fragile luggage (for a small fee).

Butch Cassidy Aug 10th 2006 8:11 am

Re: Security threats!!!
 

Originally Posted by dbd33
; I'd sooner the effort went into banning ...... ....... those roll along bags with the ankle slashing legs.

Are you talking about the luggage or the cabin staff??

dbd33 Aug 10th 2006 8:12 am

Re: Security threats!!!
 

Originally Posted by Lees147
If your laptop is worth potentially killing someone then you can have that on your conscience. It is not just laptops it could be a remote control or anything which has 'remote' capabilities.

Don't get me wrong it is an inconveiniece but there was life before these technologies came around and there will be without them.

If it is that desperate then the airlines may be able to register valuable/fragile luggage (for a small fee).

Tail wagging dog. The purpose of business flights is to take a person and computer to a client's site. Airlines cannot be trusted with luggage, it's forever getting lost, so they certainly cannot be trusted be computers. Souvenir's right, if airlines enforced a ban on computers they'd lose their profitable passengers.

willmore Aug 10th 2006 8:13 am

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Originally Posted by Souvenir
We already have them. Air Canada no longer serves food on domestic routes.


PMSL - sent karma for that one!

Butch Cassidy Aug 10th 2006 8:14 am

Re: Security threats!!!
 

Originally Posted by Lees147
If your laptop is worth potentially killing someone then you can have that on your conscience. It is not just laptops it could be a remote control or anything which has 'remote' capabilities.

Don't get me wrong it is an inconveiniece but there was life before these technologies came around and there will be without them.

If it is that desperate then the airlines may allow you to be able to register valuable/fragile luggage (for a small fee).

I'm sure you said you werent posting on this thread anymore????? :confused:

Rete Aug 10th 2006 8:15 am

Re: Security threats!!!
 

Originally Posted by Lees147
That is the thing though is the terrorists have been 'brittish' and not indian or pakistani.

What is brittish? Or do you mean British?

I don't think you have any reason to be paranoid about pending naturalization petition. Canada, like the US, does not consider religion, race or sexual orientation to be a criteria for naturalization.


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