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As of todays 'attempted bombings' will this have any affect on a brittish person becoming a PR in canada.

I am now starting to think that this might have a major influance on my application even though i am 'white brittish of no religion'.

Hope someone will be able to help.

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Holy Cow when did this happen!!! as for it affecting your PR, i could be wrong but i believe IRPA was introduced after 9/11 for enhanced security, it did not affect applications last year after the tube attacks in London.

and lastly you dont have to be a brown muslim to commit an act of terror, The oklahoma bomber killed hundreds of people by blowing up a goverment building that coincidently houses a nursery. he was white as white could be.

I dont normally get a stick up my bum about much on here but i think thats a little rascist. If you think everyone who is a different colour or religion is going to blow you up, maybe Canada is not for you, because it is rich and made even more beatiful by its diversity, and trust me as a white guy with no religion your going to be a minority!

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Don't get me wrong I am not being racist but in terms of security the terrorists have been 'british muslims' (This is fact not theory).

Which is why I ask the question because I am not a british muslim will I still be a security risk?, or will the fact that I am just Brittish condemn me?

I understand that this is a very touchy subject and I can assure you that I am not racist but this issue may have implications regarding not just my application but everyones. I am sorry if I did/have offend/ed people this isn't my intention

All i am asking is what will the implications be?

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I think if you were a Pakistani, Indian or like you may have problems at the moment.

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That is the thing though is the terrorists have been 'brittish' and not indian or pakistani.

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Sorry didnt mean to get on my moral high ground, I just have several Indian and pakistani freinds here and they really feel scrutinzied during these periods.

Once again I dont think it will have any bearing on your application, it did not affect immigration last year when they actually did it.

THis really is terrible, one day they wont get caught and we will see destructiuon back home like 9/11 very scary, too bad the PM cant keep his p*nis out of Bush's A-hole!!!

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Ultimately it is one of lifes most trivial things:

So few people can spoil life for so many.

The fact that muslims get persicuted for sharing the same 'background' as the terrorists sickens me because there are around 4 million muslims in england and i'm positive most have settled and like the country/ways of the people here but they all get punished by what a minority of idiots have done.

Like school bullies/criminals there is no need for it as there are always other options.

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They are British pakistani and I think there will be discrimination in that area whether anyone likes it or not. The USA have tightened up with the British overall already and I think they probably will do moreso in the future.

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The trouble is they don't know who the terrorists are as many don't have a criminal record. Al Quida picks people who are often well educated etc, there are loads of cells in the UK ready and waiting for the green light for them to go. Unfortunately if the terrorists come from the group of Pakistanis they will be under scruntiny, but also their communities do also protect them. If they are not happy being subject to police or the securities interest then they should also turn them in if they know who they are.

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Apart form the shoe bomber, which convicted terrorists have been British?

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I will not be looking forward to flying long distance flights back and forth to the UK - I accept that we cannot take gels/liquids on board but I always need my bottle of water- drink little and often on the flight to prevent dehydration and a little at a time means I don't have to use those disgusting bathrooms too much:D . Can we take our paperbacks etc to read- from the news this morning it seems as if only personal ID info/money/passports/sanitary items for women and children, not even our electronic car key device, would be allowed; OK I shall have to take a taxi to the airport. Why are they dealing with the symptoms yet do not seem to be able to get rid of the actual problem?. I can't imagine this would have a greater effect on anyone applying for permits.The countries we are all living in embrace all cultures- unlike the countries many of these immigrants actually come from. I never got over the mosque going up in a beautiful historical and architectural place in Regents Park when living in Saudi Arabia meant no churches because they were banned.

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Of the 4 underground bombers 3 were british and 1 was jamaican.

Of the attempted underground bombers 4 were british.

and they have stated the the 'major players' today were british.

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The phrase reported in the local paper was "home grown", they weren't necessarily British though I concede they likely were. It is true that, if the Canadian authorities took the comments of the British authorities at face value, they'd have good cause to look askance at potential immigrants from the UK but I don't imagine they will. Canada doesn't refuse immigrants from other countries with a history of terrorism, Iraq for example, so I wouldn't worry that it'll refuse immigrants from Britain no matter how badly our compatriots behave.

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I would not be supprised if Canada had behind the scenes made it much more difficult for Muslims (of whatever country) to immigrate to Canada...ie losing applications, denying them , holding them up , forcing them to provide tons and tons of paperwork etc

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I thought that happened to everyones application...

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LOL.

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Water they sell on the plane anyway, magazines, books etc I doubt would be a problem.

Electronic key rings yes, same with garage zappers etc. The insurgents have been using these for bombs in Iraq. Even pringle boxes....so don't be surprised if they confisicate them either.

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Do you mean the Americans or the people who live there ?

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back in Da Nang in 68, Charlie used discarded Coke Cans as home made grenades

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I had to fly back to england on the day of the london bombings.

I have never been afraid like i was on that flight and so far they seem to be taking better steps this time than they did that day.

There will always be an eliment of fear on a plane but for the sake of hand lugguage i would rather know that i am getting there without a threat of hi-jack or bombing.

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I flew to La Guardia on 911 (at least I was in the air, en route, there was some disruption and we never got there). I eventually drove and went to the site when it still smelled. I had no fear on a plane then, nor do I now. The risk is tiny. Crossing the road is the sort of thing one should fear, not flying.

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They say the risk is more crossing the road than flying, is generally people don't do it everyday. If you fly every day, or every week, etc, your chances are much higher of being in an air crash or a victim of a hijack.

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You'd need to take a hell of a lot of flights - isn't it one in a million or so?!

1 in 3,000 risk of car crash per journey iirc, you're going to die on the way to the airport, not in a plane incident :D

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I fly every week or two, so my chances are probably alot higher on the flight angle. I also drive alot so my chances are higher there, only had 3 in my life and they were in the last 5 years. Only one recently. :D

Death doesn't actually bother me, as long as its quick, the thought of being badly maimed or ending up a vegetable, is more of a concern.

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Its all very well saying that the chance is slim but it is like i said if i was actually in England and not Canada at the time of the london bombings there would have been a strong possibitly that i would have been on that tube.

Chances were slim but now there is a serious attack on the 'west'every year. Like i said if every year people are exposed in a persons lifetime that is say 70 trips to and from england chances are increased and like i said for the sake of what? A pair of underwear, water or a book? I'ld rather have the security.

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Oh don't be hysterical. You weren't on that tube and even if you had been you would likely have survived. If that level of risk panics you you had best avoid bicycling, use of power tools, barbecuing and, at all costs, sex.

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"One man's freedom fighter is anothers' terrorist." Yah man.

Personally I consider the US to be the insurgents, attacking with military force a foreign nation/state. I believe I am correct in holdingthat view...

Wikipedia describes it thus:
"An insurgency is an armed uprising, revolt, or insurrection against an established civil or political authority. Persons engaging in insurgency are called insurgents, and typically engage in regular or guerrilla combat against the armed forces of the established regime, or conduct sabotage and harassment in the land".

War - it's really quite mental. :confused:

Rich.

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Personally I'm just so glad I left that stinking hell hole of a country (Y.UK) waaaaaay back when....the overt and hidden racism, severe divisions of and within society, mistrust, paranoia, media generated aggravation, spin games and general misery and unhappiness, the ranting masses, the disenfranchised subclasses, the never ending misery portrayed on Y.UK news, the rag tag tabloid filth, the brutality and cruelty of Y.UK society, the warm coddling embrace of T.Bliars social security blanket, the masses of criminals, no hopers, cheats, liars and pimps invading the country like a diseased army, the lack of laws and enforcement of 'good behaviour', the low morals, the apathy towards crime and punishment, the ranting frothing at the mouth crazed hook handed mullahs, the preaching of death, blood shed and destruction, etc.

Ever likely people are stressed out. :rolleyes:

Times like this and news such as this reminds me, I may live in a place that has some faults, but jeez it's a complete paradise compared to back there.

It's a karma thing innit.

Rich.

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Obviously, that misusage irks me. We don't call aboriginal Canadians "insurgents", nor the residents of India during the Raj, nor black Africans during apartheid. It may be that conquering Iraq is a reasonable and prudent step for western governments but it seems unnecessarilly rude to call people "insurgents" while they're in their homes and we're bombing them back to the stone age.

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At the end of the day I would rather not get blown up I don't give a sh*t about whether the risk is high or not if you were planning to fly to america this week just considor yourself *****ing lucky because they believe 10 planes were targeted thats 2000 people! This is also assuming that the damn plane don't land on anybody.

I aint afraid of flying but at the same time I can see the requirement to improve security that ugly woman who asks you 'did you pack your bags yourself' just doesn't cut it.

Don't forget that today the statistics might be low but whats stopping them from doing this once a week if we don't improve security.

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If the restrictions that have been put in place today are kept, or made even tighter, we'll be seeing some major changes in the airline industry. My boss made the point to me this morning. She is due to fly from London to San Diego in the near future, to attend a conference. Her view is that: "if I'm expected to sit all that time without a book to read, I may just say stuff it". Duplicate that across the business-traveller community - which is where the airlines make their money - and you're looking at way more expensive tickets at the back of the bus.

Looking at it from my own point of view, I have made a couple of trips to the US in the last month or so. Things I took with me, that I absolutely needed, included a cell phone a laptop and, on the last occasion, some highly confidential paperwork. Am I going to put that stuff in a suitcase that I'm not allowed to lock? I think not.

Video-conferencing, anyone?

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No, your odds are still one in a million, the odds per flight dont change the more you fly. You just carry a higher overall risk than us earthbound people, but your odds are still tiny. Besides, as plane crashed tend to be a lot more fatal then car crashes, I would be more worried about driving if I were you ;)

This is without doubt one of the oddest threads Ive seen here. Of course current events arent going to make any difference to anyones application. Unless you are one of the plotters, in which cae your criminal record check might become a problem.

People have all sorts of irrational fears. The fact that the odds are extremely slight that an airbourn incident will happen for real doesnt negate the fact that the fear is for real.

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I say, take a Midol, old chap.

I flew to America a fortnight ago. Well, actually we drove to America and then caught a plane across the country. It was nothing to get excited about. After that we drove cars and rode horses; those activities give cause for concern, lots of people get hurt driving and riding, so precautions such as seatbelts and helmets are prudent; people very rarely get hurt flying so it's not proportionate to fuss about it.

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A lot of this has already happened. I used to fly everywhere but security is now a bother so for 500 miles or less I drive. I suspect this has really hurt the airlines as all those tickets to Chicago, Detroit and Cincinnati were good earners for them.

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They could do it once a week and the numbers would still pale into insignificance compared to traffic accident.

No one has been killed today (AFAIK)

Did the terrorists win?

HELL YES they won,

If people like you are now more paranoid or frightened, thats how they win. Stop living in fear, carry on your life as normal and show them that they are not the boss of you. You are more likely to drop dead of a heart attack out of the blue than be a victim of terrorism. Get out there, get on with your life and enjoy it, cos today could be your last day anyway.

F**k the terrorists, I wont let them scare me.

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At $1600 for an Ottawa-Detroit ticket, I'd say they were bloody good earners!

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After 911 there was a phase of about six months during which I flew most weeks. That was a wonderful time; planes were almost empty, airlines valued the passenger's business. Another terrorism chill wouldn't be the worst thing, if prices fell we might take more trips.

<rushes to check price of tickets to London>

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Unfortunately you are one of these people who are blind to the fact that sh*t can happen. I used to smoke and any smokers will tell you "I'm not worried about the risk of lung cancer, It wont happen to me or I might be hit by a bus tomorrow". The fact is It has to happen to someone, you increase the risk by smoking and before you cross a road you take preventative action and look out for buses.

When you drive now there are bumps, cameras and road signs telling you where people crash. You hold a license. All these things are called 'preventative actions'. It doesn't mean you eliminate all the risk but it just makes it safer.

To sacrifice a 'laptop' for 10 hours of your life is not going to make the slightest bit of differance to anyones life whatsoever. But by taking it away you can be increasing security you can make the differance between life and death whether it be by a suicide bomber or just a psycho with a knife.

I'm not saying the risk is high but then whats the point of any safety improvements?

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That thought did strike me this morning. Tickets across the pond will be dirt cheap for the next few weeks. After that.........

My main concern at the moment is that my ex-wife (a born panicker) will chicken out of letting our son travel here as an UNMIN in a couple of weeks. She emailed me this morning expressing concern. She is clearly looking for my blessing to cancel. She won't get it.

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I'm not sure who this is aimed at but lecturing Souvenir and I about smoking is not a promising way to win an argument.

How come, if you're so concerned about risk, you want to emigrate? Moving is fraught with danger and, besides, Canada has bears and raccoons.